I know this is a sensitive subject, but who has any deeper truth, insight, or thoughts to share? I don't want to offend anyone, especially people on here who are gay who seek to make a sincere, faith based connection.
I know that God designed man and woman to unite on all levels, and that marriage should only be between man and woman, so how do you deal with same sex relationships? (besides God's command to love all people)
Can two gay, Christian people be married, and still be called Christians? I'm wondering? No ill-intentions here.
I have a cousin who is gay. He considers himself a Christian.
He had a stroke several years ago at a young age, and his life is severely challenged. He's my family. I love him. So, please know there is no prejudice here. I'm not racist either.
My ex-girlfriend is an ex-Muslim from Morocco who is now a born-again, baptizied, Holy Spirit infused Christian. So, I can do my best to objectively understand many things, but as Christians.... God's Word ultimately has to be our Authority on all matters. Not what we pick and choose.
Also, can a homosexual really enter into God's Kingdom?
I can think of one bible verse:
Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulters, nor effeminate, nor homesexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the Kingdom of God. ( 1 Cor. 6:9-10)
Pretty straightforward. No room for error. Harsh it may even sound to outsiders, but God's Word, nonetheless.
God is against gay sin period.But he still loves the person and wants them to repent.He will forgive them if they never do it again.I have kept this simple and do hope nobody here is gay.
This was already posted under Christian Moral Standards and I will re-post the answer I put there for it applies, although I really dislike addressing the same threads over and over. I am not really sure why people do this. It does not seem like a positive direction, but here is the answer from my previous reply:
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GAY MARRIAGE/GOD'S KINGDOM
Posted : 19 Dec, 2009 09:25 PM
Will,
None of us are the way God intended us to be, for we have all been twisted not only under original sin, but under the constant barrage of thoughts that come at us from the demonic who take pleasure in our failure and under our falls.
I think we all have that dialog running in our heads that is what the devil tells us we are, and all of the ideals of that dialog unravel our relationship with the Lord.
If you are raised with a parent that often says, "Don't be stupid, why are you so dumb?" We all know what kind of damage that can do to a child, but is the child stupid? No, although the jury might still be out on the parent.
Most of us do not believe we are who God says we are, precious and beautiful and made in His Image. If we actually believed we were Holy as He says, would we not treat ourselves better and with more respect? Would we not flee from sin?
God tells us sex outside of marriage is a sin. That doesn't mean some sex outside of marriage, that means all sex outside of marriage. We should flee from this.
God also defines marriage as being an anointed sacrament between a man and a woman, not a sacrament between two people that love each other.
So give this a little thought for a moment. If we are to flee from immorality, then how does a Christian get to a point of "gay marriage"?
I would say there would have to be a considerable amount of entertaining of immoral thought, and perhaps entertaining of thought of immoral action before it would get to that point.
Do we not all know that the more we entertain impure thoughts, the stronger they become? If we entertain forbidden sexual thoughts, it is only a matter of time before we act on those thought whether they are with someone of the same gender, a child, an animal, another person who is married, or even just someone we would like to have more attention from. Which is more wrong? Read my thread on "Which is more wrong.." and you will clearly see, not one is more right than another for all are an abomination in the eyes of our Lord God Almighty, who gave us these rules to protect us.
Today we say it is alright to be a practicing homosexual, what of tomorrow? Tomorrow a child molester says, its not my fault I was born this way, God gave me this so I should be able to marry a child. Living together has already become so common place and accepted that I think many people today do not even recognize it as a sin.
But the mere entertainment of these sins in our mind is sin, and we are told to flee from it. People who commit suicide generally entertain the thought of it many, many times before they actually take action against themselves, believing they are who the devil says they are, not who God says they are.
So why do the sexually immoral continue to entertain their thoughts, and then claim it was given to them to be this way by God. Can they not see it was given to them, by someone alright, but it was not God, and the more they entertained it, the stronger it got? If we are not attracted to the opposite gender, would it not be better to accept the teachings of Paul and remain single, not to live an immoral life that draws us deeper into sin?
Wouldn't we all like to embrace immorality and then believe that was some sort of misprint in the Bible and that God actually condones it?
I find that we either want to believe God, or we don't, and if we don't then I am baffled to wonder why a person would want to spend an eternity serving a God they do not want to follow.
So maybe the real question is do we want His way or our own way? If we want His way, it takes sacrificing the desires of our flesh that fall to temptation. We are all given our crosses to bare. It is not about excuses or opinion polls or if we can get someone else to see our point, that it is in anyway less wrong.
You either believe God, or you don't. If we could actually see His Holy Spirit within us, would we continue to defile ourselves or others if we could see His Holy Spirit within them.
Maybe the question is, can you hate that sin and still love the sinner and recognize that he has something to teach you about yourself?
I created a new thread for that same thread to help take it into a new direction, to give it a fresh start, or actually give it the first start it never really had. The first thread got muddled, hacked, "lost" in translation, and no one responded to it in the way I created for the post. In hindsight, it was funny to see how everyone responded. But the topic is serious, that I respect.
And not surprisingly, you responded to the new thread. You gave it the new life I was hoping for. You tackled it head on like the strong woman of God that you are, and I gained some positive insight in the process. Thank You!
I appreciate your passionate interest in declaring God's Truth through your experiences, and knowledge of His Word. The time that you take to do so is never a waste. No doubt, God uses all of our responses in ways that we will never fully understand in the bigger scheme of things, but in the here and now, it's encouraging, edifying, enlightening, engaging,
Interesting response, again the word of God proves it's validity, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. AS christians we should not have any fellowship with death, in this case homosexuality and any making light of it.
There are heterosexual people who call themselves Christian too who will not enter heaven. Calling ones self Christian does not guarantee entrance to Heaven.
A true believer will turn from their sin be that homosexuality, adultery, fornication, theft, covetous, drunkenness, revilers, etc. Each and every one of us has a weakness that keeps us distant from a relationship from God but we all have rebellion when we willingly remain in sin and refuse to repent and turn from it.
These mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 who repent and turn from sin to follow Christ, will enter heaven. Way too many are arrogant enough to believe they can remain in sin and God will just pat them on the head and allow them in anyway.
With some of the homosexuals I�ve talked with, they had to return to their past (childhood mainly) to see where the original �thought� that they were homosexual came from. Often times, some (not all) had some sort of sexual abuse during their formative years and no one to tell them that homosexuality is a choice, but rather had the societal hype that they are �born� with it. In a way, this is also true, in that we are all �born� with sin which is why Christ died.
(I don�t get on the forums much and don�t really know how to answer a post yet so please bear with me if you have a question for me but thought i would answer this one anyway and put my 2 sense worth in)
That's an intensely, cool picture attached to your username!
You might want to look in the "Christian Moral Standards" section for the same thread about gay marriage and homosexuality. I hated to be redundant, but the first attempt got butchered. The intended reason for the thread's existence was muddled, but it has newer and greater life with deeper insight in this section. I hope you find it as your two cents are worth sharing. Maybe you can up the ante and toss in one dollar on the next go around! Have a good 1!
1 corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
That scripture is hard not to take notice of. It is quite clear that these types of people who behave in these types of ways will not enter into God's Kingdom.....unless they repent and become born-again as other scriptures in the NT point out. How does it relate to your walk of faith? How does it inspire or interest you? Insight is always welcome.
