In this way, then, also in the present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
And if by grace, it is no longer out of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace
Grace and works are exclusive.
Romans 6:14
Sin will not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Grace and law are exclusive.
If we get these wrong, we are going to get not just the gospel wrong - but our entire Christian life. There are more Christians who believe in some form of works salvation than those who believe in the work of salvation done by God's grace.
OhioGrace, with all due respect, what exactly do you mean when you say Grace and Works (which CERTAINLY includes Torah Law!) are exclusive.'
And how is it both you and littledavid (as well as others on this forum) keep MISSING the CONTEXT of Paul's teaching, that FIRST comes GRACE and then WORKS/TORAH LAW
follows!!!??? Has it STILL not accrued to you that PAUL ALWAYS TAUGHT and KEPT TORAH LAW HIMSELF??? Are you serious dude?
GEESH its soooo simple, unless you are INDOCTRONALLY BLINDED by your 'churches' like I was raised in the baptist CULT 'church' of demons that taught the SAME doctrines you are parroting now!!
How is it you ATTEMPT to read into what Paul says clearly OhioGrace, when he says to the newly converted Roman Church in a lot of the book of Roman's and you single out 6:14 - QUOTE - Sin will not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.' yet you do not understand the CONTEXT of FIRST comes GRACE and then TORAH LAW follows! How can ANY continual sinner keep Torah Law while they are YET a sinner OhioGrace??? READ MY LIPS - THEY ARE YET SINNERS and therefore CANNOT save themselves because they MUST DIE (no not 'eternal torment' like littledavid teaches!) to pay for their sins themselves in the one day made lake of fire and they cease to exist FOR EVER, right? If they was to try to all of a sudden attempt to keep Torah Law (which is IMPOSSIBLE by our own strength and might!), when they have already broke it in the past, then this is TRULY 'works' based for 'salvation' isn't it? Yes or no and don't hide from me like you did in other threads!
Soooooo what is it that Paul means IN CONTEXT to the rest of his letters, when he says - 'Sin will not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.'?
First of all Paul says CLEARLY 'Sin will not have dominion over you' meaning there IS a WAY of NOT sinning while on earth, right? And Paul says by getting victory (or dominion) over the sinful nature by POWER FROM HEAVEN in the here and now, then sin is a thing of the past because we have a sinless nature to FEED NOW and LIVE BY, right? Got it OhioGrace?
So OhioGrace, how is it that Paul says we "are not under law but under grace' and you keep missing it??? Please READ MY LIPS AGAIN, the reason WE ARE NOT UNDER TORAH LAW but GRACE now is because WE NO LONGER BREAK TORAH LAW by Father YHWH's POWER and GIVEN AS A FREE GIFT, ALONG WITH FREE SALVATION, A NEW NATURE TO SERVE!!! Got it OhioGrace?
What is the PENALTY for breaking TORAH LAW OhioGrace, DEATH right??? The penalty OF DEATH that Messiah Yah'shua paid IN FULL ONE TIME for all who accept it freely, right? Yet littledavid says Messiah Yah'shua came to pay the price of 'eternal torment' and yet he is NOT suffering today to be doing that, is He OhioGrace??? So much for littledavid's FALSE DOCTRINE then, right OhioGrace? Correct?
Bottom line is Paul is saying - We are NO LONGER UNDER THE PENALTY OF DEATH WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER BREAKING TORAH LAW, BECAUSE >>>NOW WE ARE UNDER GRACE<<< AND CONTINUE TO BE TORAH LAW KEEPERS NOW >>>AFTER<<< the FREEE GIFT AND POWER OF SALVATION FROM HEAVEN! Correct OhioGrace?
Its then much like Pipiripi implies, that you 'cannot separate them (GRACE first, then comes WORKS/LAW) from each other' in the sense that the two are at ODDS with each other when they are NOT! I want to be clear that I mean they are 'separate' at first because GRACE IS FREE (Ephesians 2:8, 9) and any kind of WORKS is boasting and then what comes AFTER GRACE and said according to Paul to the Ephesians in 2:10??? Obviously WORKS/TORAH LAW is kept AFTER free GRACE >>>AND<<< by the FREE GIFT OF POWER OVER SIN to do GOOD WORKS that we are >>>ORDAINED<<< (KJV) to do by His MIGHT, right OhioGrace?
OhioGrace posts - 'For we are His workmanship, we are the thing He has made. We have been created, we didn't create ourselves spiritually. This goes back to the origin of our salvation, not from us or from works. Having been created in Christ Jesus, yes for good works. We haven't been saved by good works or works of the law, not by works of righteousness. God has prepared beforehand these good works, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-9 come before verse 10.
Don't get the cart before the horse. We aren't the horse. We are in the cart. The rocket doesn't go anywhere without fuel. We aren't the fuel. We are in the rocket. Salvation is totally the work of God. When he gives us the salvation,the horse or the fuel, he has also already prepared the good works. We don't do them to get saved or stay saved. Salvation is a package deal. He who began the good work in you will complete it.. end quotes!
AMEN OHIO! Now we AGREE at least what you posted last anyway!
Sorry Ohio, I did not see you last post because I had already posted what I had saved in a file (This site deletes your posts before you finish and send them sometimes, so I leaned my lesson by saving them first, then posting!) but you seem to be catching on that WORKS/TORAH LAW is kept AFTER initial FREE gift of salvation that of course CANNOT be earned or boasted about then! right? So Ohio, why all the confusion in the first part of your thread???
TeddyBug, anybody can see how you’ve created your own false context and then you act as if Paul was a heretical sinless perfectionist like you and your sweetheart false prophetess Ellen White‼️‼️‼️
Why don’t you and your mermaid just go out to the edge of your make believe flat earth and ride your unicorns together into the sunset⁉️⁉️🤣🤣😂😂😀⁉️👍👍
Do you even know what your talking about tinydavid, for you even believe in unicorns and EGW???
I'm not posting any teachings of EGW which is the 'sweetheart' that you say in your own words and obsessed with her now!!! EVERY READERS KNOW IT TOO as YOU are the one bringing the subject up about your DEAD girlfriend!!! I know I know you claim she is not really dead and lives on as a 'soul' and 'spirit' you say outside Scripture of course as usual, with out a body you teach but its simply NOT Biblical and another CULT teachings of yours we exposed in another thread! YOU LOST THAT DISCUSSION, right?
The false prophet and heretic TeddyBugs thinks his sinful nature has been perfected and now he’s perfectly and sinlessly keeping the Torah Law‼️‼️‼️
How delusional can one person be⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
NOTHING IN THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT GOD MAKES OUR OLD SIN NATURE PERFECT ‼️‼️‼️‼️
RATHER, THE TRUTH IS, GOD CREATED A NEW NATURE IN US THAT WARS AGAINST THE DYING OLD SIN NATURE that is also in us. THAT old nature WILL LIVE on AS LONG AS OUR BODY IS ALIVE‼️‼️‼️
MANY False prophets including, the TeddyBug, the Headless Prophet Pipiripi and their sweetheart the false prophetess Ellen White, keep denying they have a real sin nature that still wants to sin‼️‼️‼️‼️
But anyone reading posts by these deceived blind followers can clearly see how they parade their sins all over the forum for all to see‼️‼️‼️ Yet they think they are sinless and perfect‼️‼️‼️
But OhioGrace, this is where I disagree with you because then you go on to build your false assumption beliefs in claiming Paul is coming down on the Galations (another misunderstood letter by you?) for a comparison about ALL OF TORAH LAW being kept or NOT or just done away with, supposedly all on the pole/tree with Messiah Yah'shua??? WHY DO YOU KEEP TAKING SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT dude??? READ MY LIPS, Paul is talking about the legalism of the pharisees SNEAKING in the fold of Paul's Churches and teaching YOU MUST BE CIRCUMCIZED ALSO to be saved and found righteous! The CONTEXT to which you are twisting OhioGrace to other letters of Paul starts in verse 3 chapter 2 of the letter of Paul to the Galatians that were buying into the flesh standards of the pharisees of CIRCUMCISION in order to be a TRUE believer! Got it? So Paul is taking about the subject of CIRCUMCISION >>>ALSO<<< in Galatians 3:2-3 that you provided and THIS IS WHY Paul says - Are you so foolish Galatians (and littledavid)? Having begun in the Spirit (Father's set apart Holy Spirit guides them but not littldavid yet), are ye now made perfect by the flesh' in CIRCUMCISION???
Is the light bulb coming on yet OhioGrace? The main issue with the Galatians (and the part you are quoting) is about LEGALISM of the pharisees (much like littledavid's LEGALISIM of 'got questions, need CULT 'answers'!) in CIRCUMCISION coming into the Church of the Galatians! GEESH, simple no, when we LEAVE the CULT teachings 'churches' today! Right?
BOTTOM line OhioGrace, YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOCK IT OFF with taking Scripture out of context to make your confusing point that supposedly GRACE and WORKS/TORAHLAW are at odds with each other, although clearly separate at first WHEN WE WERE YET SINNERS then comes GRACE/forgiveness and what next - WORKS/TORAH LAW to be kept! Correct?
Like you said OhioGrace! Paul 'is challenging them to think seriously about this. How do we think that we can become mature by our flesh (circumcision!) doing the (that) law?' (that part of the law!) What LAW was he talking about OhioGrace??????????? The CIRCUMCISION LAW, right? NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE TORAH LAW like - thou shalt not murder, steal, commit adultery, FORGETING the HOLY and SANCIFIED 7th Day Sabbath etc etc and other HOLY Torah Law, right?
Anyone who wants to see the war between our old nature and the new nature—read Romans 7.
The TeddyBug falsely thinks Romans 7 is about an unbeliever before he becomes a believer‼️‼️‼️‼️⁉️
You can’t make this stuff up‼️‼️‼️
So here we have heretical sinless perfectionist false teachers twisting scripture in order to force it into their own man-made-sinless-perfectionism heresy
Once again tinydavid slanders me and is DESPARATE to have to read into peoples posts in order to have some kind of >>>offense<<< dreamed up and agenda to accuse them by!
QUOTE - 'NOTHING IN THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT GOD (his PAGAN named deity!) MAKES OUR >>>OLD SIN NATURE PERFECT<<<!'
Readers, I will give anyone a free gift of $500 dollars to where I EVER POSTED on this forum ANYWHERE that Father YHWH 'makes our sinful nature perfect' for this is ONLY between the ears of littledavid's sphere that this come from! So he is a LIAR!
Then he gets PART of his Bible right (but not what I said) when he says - 'RATHER, THE TRUTH IS, GOD CREATED A NEW NATURE IN US THAT WARS AGAINST THE >>>DYING<<< OLD SIN NATURE that is also in us. THAT old nature WILL >>>LIVE<<< on AS LONG AS OUR BODY IS ALIVE!
First of all he has an obvious contradiction when at one point he says 'the >>>DYING<<< OLD SIN NATURE' and then its supposedly >>>ALIVE AGAIN<<< when he says 'WILL >>>LIVE<<< on' ??? He seems to link it with a body that is the problem WHEN IT THE HEART AND MIND THAT INSTRUCTS THE BODY IN POTENTILLY SINNING and guides it!!! Right?
GEESH, its that old CULT 'soul' and 'spirit' thingy doctrine teaching of his that never dies he says but ONLY the body dies!? LOL! Its true that anybody can CHOOSE to go back to serving the sinful nature and deny the NEW NATURE in Christ BUUUUUT why would you when you HAVE THE POWER FROM HEAVEN AVAILABLE TO KEEP YOU IN YOUR NEW NATURE, BORN AGAIN nature and therefore SINLESS???
For littledavid even calls John a 'sinless perfectionist' when John posts this - 1 John 3:9! ' Whosoever is born of YHWH >>>doth not commit sin;<<< for His seed remaineth in him/her: and >>>he/she cannot sin<<<, because he/she is born of YHWH.
WOW! Imagine come judgment day the problems littledavid will have when Father YHWH says why did you not believe my prophet and teacher John said??? YICKS!
Are you serious dude? 
How can ANY continual sinner keep Torah Law while they are YET a sinner OhioGrace???
READ MY LIPS - THEY ARE YET SINNERS and therefore CANNOT save themselves because they MUST DIE (no not 'eternal torment' like littledavid teaches!) to pay for their sins themselves in the one day made lake of fire and they cease to exist FOR EVER, right? 
If they was to try to all of a sudden attempt to keep Torah Law (which is IMPOSSIBLE by our own strength and might!), when they have already broke it in the past, then this is TRULY 'works' based for 'salvation' isn't it? 
Yes or no and don't hide from me like you did in other threads! 
Got it OhioGrace? 
The penalty OF DEATH that Messiah Yah'shua paid IN FULL ONE TIME for all who accept it freely, right? 
So much for littledavid's FALSE DOCTRINE then, right OhioGrace? 
Correct? 
WHY DO YOU KEEP TAKING SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT dude??? 