Author	Thread: Christ died for our sins
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Christ died for our sins Posted : 16 Jul, 2022 03:07 PM Christians don't agree on what that means. Some Christians believe that Christ only died for the sins we committed before we got saved. Of course, in spite of the passages that refer to salvation in the past tense(ephesians 2:8, 2 timothy 1:9, etc.), some churches deny that salvation has occurred. They teach that there is no assurance, that you can only hope that you will be saved. The letter to the hebrews presents a contrast between the many sacrifices done in the temple with the one sacrifice of Christ. If Christ offered himself as the priests or highpriests, he would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world. But now once, at the end of the ages, he has appeared to put away sin by his sacrifice(hebrews 9:25-26). In those sacrifices in the temple there is a remembrance of sins every year(10:3). By which "will"(or plan, see 10:5-9) we have been set apart(sanctified, made holy) through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all(10:10). And every priest has stood daily serving and offering the same sacrifices often, which are not ever able to take away sins. But he himself, having offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at God's right side(10:11-12). If a Christian or a church teaches loss of salvation, they are placing themselves under the same kind of works program done in the temple. If they say that Christ died only for the sins we committed before we believed in Christ, they are saying that we have to do something to pay for those sins. Some churches are more blatant in this teaching. Others gloss it over. But that is the doctrine that they are teaching. It is totally contrary to what Hebrews teaches. They cannot sing "He paid it all." Because they don't believe He did. Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Christ died for our sins Posted : 17 Jul, 2022 01:52 PM Since the temple, the priesthood and the sacrifices are done away with, the whole law is done away with. Read hebrews 7:11-12, 18-19. Water rituals were part of the law (hebrews 9:10.) John the baptizer came with a water ceremony for israel (john 1:31). The writer of hebrews tells those jewish hearers to leave jerusalem and the temple and all it represents behind. They are to go outside the camp to where the bodies of the sacrifices were burned. That place is considered ceremonially unclean. But yet that is where Christ died. So we too must go there, outside the gates, and bear the disgrace and reviling that he suffered(hebrews 13:11-13). Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Christ died for our sins Posted : 17 Jul, 2022 02:34 PM Many people behave and believe like Calvinists but don’t know it. For example: if you believe God chose certain people to be saved before creation, then you agree with the teaching of John Calvin. Yet many Arminian believers who deny Calvinism, behave as if they were Calvinist. For example: An Arminian may pray things like this: “God, please open the eyes of my son and save him”. This prayer actually voids the son’s independent volition (free will) and commands God to open the son’s eyes (another doctrine expounded by Calvin) and it commands God to >>sovereignly<< save the son (another doctrine of Calvin). Yet, at the same time, these same Arminian’s deride Calvin and Calvinism Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Christ died for our sins Posted : 18 Jul, 2022 12:29 PM One of the reasons Christians fail to understand things in the Scriptures is this. They act like the Bible is a one pot meal. They put all the ingredients in one pot and cook it. These believers, not knowing any better and following the example of others, come to the Scripture and treat it the same way. Maybe the figure of a blender is better. At least in a one pot meal most items still have their own shape and texture. In a blender everything loses it's distinctiveness. That is truly how many Christians treat the Bible. It is as though every verse should mean what every other verse says. Everything has to taste the same. Believer, are you exercising your spiritual taste buds? Post Reply

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