Author	Thread: Go Outside The Camp
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 19 Mar, 2022 05:48 AM Acts tells us that thousands of Jews had believed and were zealous for the law(21:20.) That gives us some perspective when we approach the letter of Hebrews. The writer is calling them away from physical things to spiritual things. Christ is better than angels. He is better than Moses. He is better than Levi and Aaron. His sacrifice is better than all the sacrifices offered in the temple. Christ suffered death outside the gate, outside the city, outside the temple. We are to join him there, outside, bearing his shame and reproach. We have no city or state here. We have no physical temple or physical sacrifice. We have no sacred place on earth. Just as the Jews who received this letter were to do, we are to leave the physical things behind. We are seeking the heavenly things , which are better (Hebrews 11:16, 13:12-14). Post Reply
View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 21 Mar, 2022 12:44 PM 🙂💯👍 Ohio Grace Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 22 Mar, 2022 11:28 PM So there you have the facts readers, that tinydavid has no evidence here in this thread - ' about Ted's 'meetings' in home Churches and he says - 'based on his false understanding of the old covenant, doesn’t even do that right' but just flaps his gums in accusations as usual! Why tinydavid cannot also even state in what thread Quiznos was supposedly saying - 'Paul’s Corinthian letter as if it’s somehow disconnected from Paul’s Timothy letter' ??? Just more unfounded accusations and no proof a usual! Its been about 3 days now and still nothing in proof! Like tinydavid just admitted though - 'It’s just so frustrating and so unfair' he is clueless to proving his points in discussion when providing NO DISCUSSION on what he is even flapping his gums about!? So then CULTISTrsvp shows his biased thumbs up for ONLY OhioGrace and not Quiznos that said the same thing??? LOL! And I agree with both of you Quiznos and OhioGrace when you stated the same - Quiznos says - 'It is the way they meet, not where they meet.' OhioGrace says - First corinthians 14 >>>should be the way believers meet<<<, emphasizing the participation of every member of the body of Christ. >>>Truly it is the way we meet, not the where.<<< they meet! This is great advice in 'Going Outside The Camp' of denominational buildings of CULT controlled 'churches' that are teaching false doctrine and are NOT the Biblical way we should meet, completely open to learning truth like Paul states in 1 Corinthians 14 verses 26-30 without the need of a denominational controlling pastor that has been cemeterized (seminarized) in false doctrine! Not sure OhioGrace how you got distracted about 'Priests' and their duties in OT times as if to compare them to modern controlled 'pastors' ??? BUT since you brought it up, its Biblical to say 'Christ has fulfilled' the earthly 'priestly duties' when it comes to NOW 'His once and for all sacrifice' to His Father in the heavenly sanctuary temple not made with human hands and acting as our mediator before the Father over His 'ark of the covenant' where His Torah Law is written! YES - 'We add nothing to it' to what the Bible clearly says and YES - 'We as individuals have direct access to the Father through Christ' if need be and might strangely deny the POWER from heaven, should we choose to go back into sin by our own might and ways, serving the old nature yet again!? Great post OhioGrace! Even though I disagree with you that we - 'have no physical temple or physical sacrifice' and supposedly 'We have no sacred place on earth' as you say, because the Bible is clear we have a 'physical temple' called our bodies controlled by the new nature we get from Father YHWH and He dwells there thru His set apart Spirit for us to have POWER over sin when we become born again! Its then we ARE a 'physical sacrifice' on a day to day basis to righteousness by faith, while we dwell in our mortal 'physical' bodies guided by our new natured minds and symbolic hearts (where now in the new covenant of the old Torah Law is written on the fleshy tables of our hearts!) from heaven as saints! Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 11:46 AM Teddy, I was focusing on what hebrews presents to those individuals who were relying on the temple and the sacrifices. Now with the complete and once for all sacrifice of Christ for sins, they and we have no physical place or physical sacrifice. Of course, i agree with your comments about our bodies being a living sacrifice in response to God's mercies(romans12:1-2). Equally so, it is declared that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit(1corinth. 6:19-20). We were purchased with a price, so we are to glorify God. Thanks for posting. Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 10:30 PM Hello OhioGrace, thanks for clarification of what you actually was meaning. It was distracting to me that you mentioned in your response to Quiz when he was talking about modern so called 'pastors' that control their sheeple and with false doctrine of course, that you seemed to substitute the 'function as a priest for us' in OT times to that of today's modern so called 'pastors' that Quiz was linking into your topic of 'Going Outside The Camp' as if to say they (the 'camps' of 'churches today) don't allow the laity to speak up in ALL MAJOR DENOMINATIONAL 'churches' today and Quiz is soooooooo right on point with what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:26-30 in the participation of all members to speak up and NOT just a controlling 'pastor' as Quiz is attempting to point out. Of course also I thought you might agree that our bodies are truly a living sacrifice in response to YHWH's mercies and instructions (commandments in Torah Law) and like you say and I agree - 'Equally so, it is declared that our bodies are the temple of' the set apart Holy Spirit of Father YHWH (1 Corinth. 6:19-20). 'We were purchased with a price, so we are to glorify Father YHWH'!!! AMEN! This is why I added to your super thread in thought, that we should be 'Going Outside The Camp' of those buildings made by modern man, the so called 'churches' and instead realize our bodies ARE THE 'CHURCHES' and REAL 'TEMPLES' TODAY in NT times and I hope you don't mind me doing that to further the 'spiritual' discernment of what is actually the 'camp' in Messiah Yah'shua today!? I just want to thank you for your honest discussion and its very rare as you know from the attempted controlling 'crew' like littledavid and rsvp on this forum, either they rudely twist what people say, running them off in belittlement comments or just refusing to have any kind of discussion but the posting of websites to do the speaking for them! Right? Perhaps Quiz will chime in here and correct me if I'm mistaken on what he was actually saying and again thanks for your clarification and actual meaning. Hope to read other great threads of yours! Hopefully others can join in if they are not intimidated by you know who. Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 24 Mar, 2022 08:14 AM Unfortunately, even those who teach and preach truth still follow the stage performance mentality. There is one person up on stage performing while the rest of the people are the non functioning audience. One of my friends had a brother-in-law who was of that mentality. He told my friend, "i can't get the people to do anything." My friend was very clear. He said, with the way you preach and what you preach, why should you expect anything different. Churches talk about the priesthood of the believer. But they act like it's the priesthood of the pastor. The body of Christ isn't functioning the way it should. And that is why the "church" isn't effective. We have compromised so much. We use worldly methods in the church. We have been on the downhill slide for the last 1700 or so years. When christians allowed themselves to be assimilated into a constantinian view of the church, that was a compromise. And so it goes. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Go Outside The Camp Posted : 24 Mar, 2022 08:17 AM TeddyBug, OhioGrace is not “distracted”. Rather, like most of what you read here, it’s your failure to understand what is posted Post Reply

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