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Pipiripi

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Was the Atonement FINISHED at the Cross (1)
Posted : 22 Feb, 2022 09:23 PM

Psalm 69:27-28



The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life, your sins may be blotted out.



The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at Calvary. Those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross, totally ignore the important shadows and types that were setup in Old Testament times, which were to be literally fulfilled in Christ.



I will show you on this page that it was impossible for the atonement to be finished at the cross. And yes, I will deal with the famous words "it is FINISHED" and also what Paul said further down the page.



What does it mean if something is a "shadow"? If you follow a shadow, will it just disappear? No. A shadow is cast by a real object and if you follow that shadow, you will come to the reality. This is what the Old Testament types and shadows were for. They were to bring us to the reality that is in Christ. They were to teach the Jews and us what Christ was going to fulfill. And this is the important point to remember. Christ was to actually fulfill the types and shadows in the Old Testament. Why do you think the Old Testament finished with the command from God to "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him." (Malachi 4:4)? Because the types and shadows in the law of Moses teaches us beautiful truths about what Christ was to fulfill. Let's look at the types and shadows concerning sin and making atonement for sin:



SIN OFFERING - Leviticus 4:27-35; Leviticus 4:13-20; Numbers 15:27:28



Let's just think about this for a moment. We can clearly see above what was to happen when a person, or the whole congregation sinned. And remember, the whole congregation bore the sin of one person as shown in Joshua 7, regarding Achan and also Numbers 15:24. Now, was the above 'shadow' and 'type' to be fulfilled in Christ? Yes, no doubt. But let us look at what was involved. The sinner had to offer and slay an 'innocent' animal 'without blemish'. This clearly pointed to the fulfillment in Christ, our perfect 'lamb without blemish' who was slain for us on the cross at Calvary. Now my question is, did it end there? Was that "job done" Did slaying the animal 'make atonement' for the sinner? No. As you can clearly see from the 'shadow' and 'type' in Leviticus and Numbers above, a priest was appointed to then take the blood, transferring the sin to the sanctuary to 'make atonement' for the sinner. The sinner did not receive atonement from just the slaying of the innocent animal. The sinner received final atonement through the WORK of the priest - 'THE PRIEST shall MAKE ATONEMENT."



Do you see this? Remember, a shadow HAS to meet it's REALITY, it does not just disappear. And how many realities are in this picture? 1-Sacrifice offering, 2-Priest to make atonement. There are TWO realities to be fulfilled from the 'shadows' and 'types'. Christ was not just to fulfill the role of sacrifice offering. He was also to fulfill the role of High Priest to make atonement for us.



Leviticus 4:16-17



So the sin offering was made, which pointed to Christ on the cross, but there is something else that happened AFTER the sin was made, which we can see above. The priest was to 'mediate' for that person or congregation, taking the blood into the sanctuary to make atonement for the people. So those who stop at the cross and say Christ's work of atonement was complete are missing the important part the priest played in the 'type', which was also to meet iit's reality in Christ.



So those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross need to ask themselves some serious questions:



1 - The atonement was made by the priest. Who was the appointed priest at Calvary?



2 - The atonement was made in the sanctuary by the priest. Calvary was not the sanctuary.



Now Paul confirms what I am saying on this page without question in the book of Hebrews, chapters 8 and 9. Let us carefully examine what Paul says in the following verses in Hebrews:



Hebrews 8:1-4



Look at what Paul said regarding Jesus being our High Priest. If he were on earth, He COULD NOT be our priest. This means Jesus could NOT be our priest at the same time as when He was our sacrifice on earth. The role of High Priest had to come AFTER His resurrection and ascension to heaven, because as you can also see from Hebrews above, Jesus was to be a "minister of the sanctuary" in heaven, "of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." So Jesus was to become our High Priest after His sacrifice and return to heaven. But to do what? To fulfill the 'shadow' and 'type' as given in the old covenant - to make atonement for us. Look at Hebrews 9:



Hebrews 9:6-26



As you can see clearly above, Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary, the TRUE tabernacle of which the earthly was a copy, there to fulfill the role of High Priest, of which the earthly priest was a 'type' of Christ mediating for the people to make atonement for them and their sins with blood. This role Christ could NOT fulfill while on earth. His role on earth was the role of 'offering' and 'sacrifice'. Only AFTER this was accomplished was Christ then able to BECOME our Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5) and make atonement for our sins.



Are I am saying that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was not the atonement? No. What I am saying, as the Bible clearly lays out, is that Calvary was the BEGINNING of the atonement. The offering of the spotless animal in the Old Testament 'type' was the beginning of the atonement. But it was the priest who completed that atonement for sinners. Jesus dying on the cross was the beginning of His atoning work. Now He is in heaven as our High Priest FINISHING the atonement.



Look at what it says in the last verse of Hebrews 9:26 above. What does it mean where it says "in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin"? To 'put away sin' means to 'cleanse' to 'make clean', 'reconcile', 'purify', 'sanctify' - to ATONE, to make us 'at-one-ment' with God. So clearly, the atonement did not finish at the cross, it began at the cross. And Jesus is now making final atonement for us in the heavenly sanctuary as our High Priest and Mediator before the Father.



CONTINUE!

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2022 07:48 AM

WHIZ QUIZ, like they say, WHERE YA BEEN⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️‼️‼️‼️

Weeeeelcome baaaaack‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

Quiz, FYI, the “original” posts ARE on the front page‼️‼️‼️GO CHECK EM OUT‼️‼️😂😂🤣🤣

OH YES—Quiz, don’t feel left out, l didn’t forget cha, I’ll talk to you and about your false teachings too, no prob‼️‼️‼️🙏🤣😂

Come now Quiz, I have a rather LARGE book of Holy Spirit revelation—-it’s called the Word of God—the Bible‼️‼️‼️

You should be listening to it too because ONLY it contains the TRUE revelation of the TRUE Holy Spirit‼️‼️‼️

Stop listening to your own self-made “holy spirit”, which is really your own inner voice or at worst, an UNholy spirit sent from some demon.

Listening to the “new revelations” of demonic doctrine is pure UNBELIEF and it’s a sin.

So sad you see fit to encourage your fellow false teachers in the same kind of UNBELIEF😢😭😭😭😭

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Moonlight7

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2022 08:11 AM

What sad is You Quiznos



Saying I'm a gatekeeper! No such thing on here !

Everyone can post Anytime!



Stupidity

Stop being ignorant and telling lies !!





Plus you post Falsely biblical information!





Get help.

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Ohiograce^

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Posted : 6 Mar, 2022 05:41 AM

Hebrews 9:26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world he has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 

9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him he will appear the second time without sin unto salvation. 

10:10  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 

10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 

10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 



Lest we forget, the ONE SACRIFICE of CHRIST is being contrasted with the MANY SACRIFICES of the PRIESTS. Christ does not continue to offer himself. HE DIED ONCE FOR SIN. And that one sacrifice is more than sufficient to take away sins. I believe the view presented in the OP is not clear about that. Christ does intercede for us in heaven but that is distinct from His work on the cross.

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Posted : 6 Mar, 2022 09:31 AM

OhioGrace. Pipiripi is perfectly clear (to me anyway) that the Father in the flesh, that He calls His Son, does 'intercede for us in heaven' in the MOST HOLY place in heavens sanctuary, which of course is the original sanctuary, the one on earth, a copy, is destroyed now, no more animal sacrifices, has been >>>fulfilled<<< by the Messiah in ONE TIME sacrifice! Keep in mind those animal sacrifices never paid the price of sins anyway, for all mankind sins but showed the ugliness of sin which causes death (this totally destroys then rsvp and david's FALSE DOCTRINE then of eternal life/eternal torment of the wicked come judgment day in a fire!) and all those deaths pointed forward to the coming Messiah! The Messiah Yah'shua has FULFILLED prophecy to pay ONE TIME for all the sins of the people on the flat world disc but NOW does the act and or action of the 'priest' in the ONLY remaining sanctuary now in heaven, not by continually dying but going before the Father as a mediator for the sins of people that have repented of their sins (or unbelief as Quiz says) symbolically sprinkling His blood on the curtain that separates the outer court from the most holy where the Father is with His Torah Law, like the copy was carried in the ark of the covenant, His Torah Law on earth but the ark disappeared now on earth.



Also OhioGrace, Pipiripi could of gone on to make it also more clear about the/how 'His (Messiah Yah'shua) work on the' pole/tree' that is distinctly different from what He is NOW doing as a HIGH priest in the heavenly sanctuary but was RUDELY interrupted by Mooncakes lengthy copy and paste and then tinydavids lack of proof toward Quiz being supposedly a false teacher!? It is truly tinyfaithdavid that should just - 'Stop listening to his own self-made “holy spirit”, which is really his own inner voice or at worst, an UNholy spirit sent from some demon'! Because according by example, tinyfaithdavid has been told by his 'UNholy spirit' that the 7th day Sabbath has somehow been done away with like the animal sacrifices!? Can you believe it OhioGrace, its incredible to believe he still worships his false doctrine!!!



So YES - 'Christ does intercede for us in heaven but that is distinct from His work on the' pole/tree because that is what he is doing NOW when not sitting on the right hand of the Father when not interceding for new converts in the heavenly sanctuary ! Correct?



Quiz is correct the 'gatekeepers' of this forum just keep distracting/harassing and refuse to participate in Biblical discussion but ONLY copy and paste false doctrine CULT websites! Thanks for sharing OhioGrace!

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 6 Mar, 2022 01:56 PM

Flat Earth TeddyBug your false theology (some of which is rank heresy) has been shown to be in error OVER AND OVER again yet you persist in spreading your twisted flat earth, anti-Trinity, replacement theology which includes lying about other people and now your false atonement nonsense on the forums. But thank you for demonstrating what a false teacher looks like by actually impersonating one‼️‼️

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 6 Mar, 2022 02:02 PM

My sympathies to the TeddyBug 🤥 and the Quiz, they just can’t seem to get by with spreading their false teachings without getting exposed for the false teachers they are😭😭

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Moonlight7

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Posted : 6 Mar, 2022 02:50 PM

Hugs



Posting sn article is not Rude!



Rude is you calling Believers cultist and other name calling.

You need Repent and seek Jesus for deliverance of Pride.





God does not have a missionary like you ! False teaching!

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Teddyhug^

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Posted : 7 Mar, 2022 09:53 AM

Mooncakes the blind self righteous poster! YES, you are 'rude' and DISRESPECTFUL of Pipiripi AWESOME thread about the 'atonement' Messiah Yah'shua and His work going on in the original heavenly sanctuary as we speak! You speak once again Mooncakes of ONLY me calling names, yet you list no others like CULTISTrsvp and tinyfaithdavid??? Why are you soooo baised of your so called judging but ONLY ONE doing the name calling supposedly??? Your a very WICKED agenda minded BIASED woman that will NOT be in the kingdom with your unfairness, LYING and breaking of Torah Law like the 7th day Sabbath`for just ONE example!



Finally tinydavid in lack of PROOF posts - Ted, 'has been shown to be in error OVER AND OVER again yet you persist in spreading your twisted flat earth, anti-Trinity, replacement theology which includes lying about other people and now your false atonement nonsense on the forums.'



So lack-of-proof-david! WHEN WHEN WHEN are you going to SHOW PROOF where I'm in so called 'error' in any of the BIBLICAL doctrines that I teach (or actually parrot!) about ANY of the posted subjects??? For instance THE BIBLE is a FLAT EARTH Bible that CLEARLY teaches the earth has ENDS TO IT, CORNERS, is stationary (non moving) and the sun, moon and stars MOVE ABOVE US and the earth is at rest! To this day you have YET to post a thread proving the earth is a 'ball/sphere' by the Bible!!! WHY IS THAT??? It should be easy to PROVE according to you, just like it should be easy to PROVE any of my BIBLICAL doctrines are supposedly in error! So put up or SHUT YOUR YAP! Got it now!

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Posted : 7 Mar, 2022 12:01 PM

I appreciate the OP's presentation emphasizing the intercession of Christ on our behalf. However, the Roman Catholic Church and some Protestant groups minimize the one time aspect of Christ's death for sins. Christ is not re-offering Himself. This is my concern with the OP.



Please note what Hebrews says.

Chapter 1:3

When Christ had cleansed and purged our sins, He sat down.

2:14

Through death, Christ destroyed the one who has the power of death, the devil.

7:27

He does not offer sacrifices daily, as the priests in the temple; he did this once, when he offered up himself. 

9:25-28

He does not offer Himself often, otherwise he would have had to die multiple times over since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world he has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.

10:11-12

The priests in the temple sacrifice daily, over and over those sacrifices, which can never take away sins  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God. Note the thought here repeated from Hebrews 1:3, Christ offered the sacrifice, Himself, and sat down. IT WAS COMPLETED and FINISHED in HIS SACRIFICE of HIMSELF.



There are Protestants who are just as guilty of adding things to the one time, once and for all sacrifice of Christ. These same people will call out the Roman Catholics and rightly so. But anyone who adds anything to the work of Christ on the cross, or says that His sacrifice is continuing to be re-offered in any way, is denying the truths presented in Hebrews.

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Posted : 7 Mar, 2022 01:27 PM

Hugs



Most of your replies are insults and name calling !



Look how ridiculous and stupid you are calling Believers here cultist.





God knows you do not even expect Bible Truth.



FYI



I can post any article I want on Biblical !

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