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Admin	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 26 Sep, 2009 06:55 AM This subject has confused bibical students from the time it was first written and many have their opinion about it,but if we allow the bible to explain itself it becomes so clear.. The first �key� to spiritual victory, breakthrough, and overcoming is simple, godly faith. But what kind of faith? Just what IS �faith�? The apostle Paul explained, �Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. . . Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God . . . But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him� (Heb.11:1-6). Abraham set us all an example of faith. We read of him: �[Abraham] being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb: He STAGGEERED NOT at the promise of God through unbelief; but was STRONG IN FAITH, giving glory to God; and being FULLY PERSUADED that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform� (Rom.4:19-21). Faith ALONE Is Not Enough! But faith alone, is dead and worthless. We must also do our own part! 70 The apostle James said, �What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?� (James 2:14). James continues, �If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled: notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone� (James 2:15-17). Now don't blame me -- I didn't say that. James did! And GOD inspired him to do it! Those who teach that there are �NO WORKS� required for salvation can eat their hat -- their words -- or eat straw! They are DEAD WRONG! In order for our faith to be effective, we must have good works -- that is, we must OBEY God's commandments, keep His laws, and follow the example set by Yeshua our High Priest and the Captain of our salvation! James adds, �But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is DEAD?� (v.20). James mentions the example of Abraham, �Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?� (v.21-22). James concluded, �For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also� (James 2:26). We need faith AND WORKS in order to become OVERCOMERS! What �kind� of works? The works of OBEDIENCE to the laws and commandments of GOD! The apostle Peter declared, �And we are witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that OBEY him� Acts 5:32). Faith in God must be combined with obedience to the LAWS of God! The apostle Paul wrote, �Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! [God forbid!] On the contrary, we ESTABLISH the law� (Rom.3:31, NKJV). The apostle Paul wrote: �Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have NO PLEASURE in him. But we are NOT of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul� (Hebrews 10:38-39). This wonderful attribute of faith is not something we must work up ourselves, by our own human efforts. Not at all. But as Paul tells us, �For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it [the very FAITH itself!] is the GIFT OF GOD; not of works, lest any man should boast� (Eph.2:8-9). This faith is the very faith of Christ put within us by the Spirit of God. It is the very same faith Jesus had. Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 02:04 AM as usual linnie right on the button. Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 02:07 AM freudian slip ehh DHTM....LOL In Christ Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 06:57 AM I have heard different opinions about the specific subject,Remember the bible never contridicts itself,God does not change.Mal 3:6 Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ,The same yesterday today and forever.Jesus said in Mark 12:30-31 Love the Lord with all your heart,with all your soul and with all your mind,and with all your strength,And your neighbor as yourself. So how do we do that? Is it a feeling that we just know in our heart? What does the bible say? I John 5;3,This is love for God to keep His commandments.Jesus says in Mark 7;6-9 They don't truthfully honor Him if they keep the traditions or commandments of men,To disobey any of the commandments is a tradition of men,Luke 11;28,Blessed are they who hear the Word of God and obey it. 1 John 2:5 But if anyone obeys His Word,His Commandments,Gods love is truly made complete in him.Matt.5:17-18 Jesus did not come to do away with the law by His death on the cross as He said until heaven and earth disappear,not one word or title of the law would disappear.heaven and earth are still here!Jesus set the example of the way to keep the law by His life He lived here on earth.John 15:9,As the Father has loved me,so have I loved you,Now remain in My love,If you obey My commandments you will remain in My love,just as I have obeyed My fathers commandments and remain in His love.You can't keep the commandments from the heart without the Holy Spirit and as Acts 5:32 Says God gives The Holy Spirit to those who obey Him.Why did God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden? remember Gods Word is the same always and forever,Deut.30:15-19,See,I have set before you this day,Life and Good,and death and evil in that I command you this day to love The lord your God,To walk in His way,and keep His commandments,His statutes and judgements that it will be well with you that The Lord your God will bless you,I call heaven and earth to record against you,that I have set before you life and death,blessing and cursing,Therefore chose life that both you and your seed will live. We are all free to choose.We are not programmed robots, Good cannot exhist without the possability of evil.Righteous Holy Character,the ability to face temptation and reject it,The ability to select good when evil may appear so alluring and chose to do good even in the face of bodily harm, just like a trainer in sports must work at his body to toughin it up through weigh lifting and much effort,It takes much work to gain Gods kingdom Matt.11;12 From The days of John The Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffered violence and the violent take it by force! Gods word identifies the saints, Rev.14:12 Saints are they who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 07:11 AM dear folks, if youre worried about loosing your salvation at any time , then youd best be worried bout your salvation as there is no faith in that line of thinkin.. if you have faith in GOD ,then you know that GOD always fulfills HIS promises .. you got to really believe and know that you know that you know that you are saved.. theres your faith.. ole cattle p.s. dear hitman there may be times that we may not agree totally but you are saved and a christian brother to me. Post Reply
daniel12345 View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 07:39 AM What is justification? God's act of declaring a man righteous. Ways of justification: 1. work 2. faith Can we be justified trough work? No, as we had all sinned. By works, we cannot remove our sins. Work can be holy and can be sinful but a holy work will not canceled a sin. For the wages of sin is death. Are you sure that you had never sin once since you became a Christian? Is faith alone enough? Yes. True faith will lead to salvation. What about James 2:24? What James is trying to tell us that the true faith leads to life, false faith leads to death. True faith will lead to good works. Faith leads to good deeds and faith leads to salvation. Not faith and good deeds leads to salvation. Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 07:46 AM dear daniel, nice post.. worded very nicely. ole cattle Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 09:00 AM Yes a true christian will want to please God the Father and Jesus Christ with obedience to His word for the awesome gift of forgivness of sin.And what is sin? 1 John 3:4 Sin is transgression of Gods law,How do you identify a true christian? Isaiah 8:20, To the Law {Commandments} and the testimony,{both the old and new testiment}The Word of God,If they do not speak according to this word,it is because there is no truth in them. Faith in Jesus and His death on the cross justifies for our past sins and makes us clean in Gods sight, Rom.4:7-8, But notice what Paul also says in Rom.6:1-2,Shall we go on sinning or breaking the law so that grace may abound? God forbid! We establish the law! Rom.7:12, The commandments and law is good,holy and righteous!Rom 3:31, Do we nulify the law by faith,Not at all! Matt.16:24, Jesus said to His deciples;If anyone would come after Me ,He must deny himself,take up His cross and follow me! Do as Jesus did,He kept His Fathers commandments,His Sabbaths and He obeyed His fathers will! 11 Peter 3:15-16, Some are confused about the writings of The Apostle Paul which Peter called hard to understand,which he said ignorate and unstable people twist and distort as they do the other scriptures to their own distruction,The bible does not contridict itself, The Words of Jesus Himself should be enough.John 14:15, If you love Me,keep My commandments,The commandments also include keeping Gods Sabbath! Post Reply
View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 09:45 AM I ask the question in my last post how to identify a true Christian? If we refuse to let our own preconcieved ideas or what we have been taught in the past etc.It doesn't matter what minister,priest,bishop.Doctor or PHD of devinity {some have said PHD really means pilled higher and deeper},have said if it doesn't agree with the word of God it's rubbish. Years after Christ death and resurrection, after the Jerusalem council of Acts 15 The aged Apostle John under inspiration of God wrote the following words, 1 John 2:3-4 We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commandments,The man who says I know Him but doesn't obey His commandments is a lier and the truth is not in him. Post Reply
daniel12345 View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 10:52 AM Dear David, So you believe that we will not sin after we become a true Christian? On Sabbath, Is Sabbath for man or for God? What is the nature of Sabbath? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	FAITH ALONE OR WITH WORKS? Posted : 27 Sep, 2009 11:55 AM Well...faith without works is dead. That's all there is to it. You can have all the "faith" in the world, and if you don't follow God's commands then you don't have true faith. It's dead faith. Seems simple to me. Faith leads to good works. True. But if you have faith and not works, you don't believe God. God says "work if you have faith". Works don't save you, but works can lose you. If you say you have faith and you mistreat your fellow humans, or even if you just ignore them when they are in need, Jesus will say He never knew you. What does that mean? If you don't keep the commandments of God then He will say you never loved Him. About the Sabbath. The one verse that says "let no man judge you on the sabbath days"(Notice it says "days" there. I still say it's talking about the law of Moses). True. But who judges the righteous? Man? Or God? Does God get to decide which day you should worship on? I think so. You're saying that because no man is allowed to judge you that you get to pick the day. That's wrong. You're esteeming a day over God's day. You say you get to pick instead of God. Some people even say to pick whatever day they want. Which one does God say to remember? All through the bible He says "ALL my commandments, remember the seventh day". You can't take one verse out of the bible that says "Jesus appeared to them on the first day" and say God's 4th commandment isn't there anymore. Well....maybe you can, but I would say it's pretty dangerous. Maybe Friday would be a better day. He paid for our sins on Friday. You know what?! Pick whichever day you want! Or we could follow His example. Let no man judge you on the sabbath days. Let no man judge God's sabbath day. If God chose one day, I would think He would want you to keep it. Remember. I think it's cool that the 4th commandment is the only one where He says "remember". Like He knew people would forget. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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