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Posted : 22 Sep, 2009 11:59 AM

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 12:56 PM

Ellen White did not teach me my beliefs. The bible did. The beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church were in place probably before Ellen White even wrote one book. Ellen White is not the leader, she is not higher or even on the same level as the bible. She even says it herself. If Adventists don't believe it...then there must be some people out there that are spreading falsehoods. And about the commandments...I just have to ask again, because I haven't had any straight answers yet. Are we allowed to worship idols? If you don't worship idols are you keeping the old covenant? If you don't take the name of God in vain? The only commandment you yell "legalism" over is the fourth one. You call me a cult and I'll call you a hypocrite. Romans 14:5 is not talking about the 10 commandments. Paul is talking about eating, and drinking...which commandment is that? Circumcision? He talking about the law of Moses. In the law of Moses was all the sacrificial laws and holy days that pointed to the work of Jesus. His death, His ministry in the heavenly temple. He fulfilled that law. He abolished that law. Not the commandments of God. If God abolished His ten commandments and we're not under the law, then why does Paul say not to worship Idols? Just one is left? Don't commit adultery? Uh-oh...two. He must have been talking about a different law, eh? James says not to kill. Three left? Ok, so just the 4th one then?



James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."



James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."





Yeah, but works are evil right?



James 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."



Is the bible disagreeing with itself? James says faith AND works. Paul does not say "no works"...he says that "works" don't earn Jesus sacrifice. It's free. But after we have grace he says "live no longer in sin". We don't need the ten commandments to be forgiven of our sins, but we do need it to stay out of sin. If we didn't have the ten commandments, we wouldn't know when we sin. And if we didn't know when we sin, how would we know not to live any longer in sin?



I think there is a very important difference that gets overlooked. Moses's law was all the ordinances that were for Israel. Circumcision, eating habits, cleanliness habits, holy festival sabbaths, the sacrificial system...most of which pointed to the future of Jesus death for our salvation. After He came He fulfilled all of that. No longer did we need to celebrate passover. No more cirusmcision.



Col. 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."



Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh."



Hebrews 10:1 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;"



Sounds like the law of Moses, not the ten commandments. Paul talks a lot about the Law of Moses. Why? Because he was reconciling the jews with the gentiles. The Jews couldn't figure out why the gentiles didn't have to be circumcised. "Why can they eat what they whatever they want?" But the ten commandments don't say anything about food, or moons, or holy days, or sabbath days, or circumcision, or sacrifices. God's law of liberty is His ten commandments. We're supposed to keep them forever, even in heaven(even the sabbath). In revelation it's the law of God that marks his people. It's the traditions of man that marks the lost.



Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14



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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 01:22 PM

Reason why I placed Romans 14:5 is because many people have quoted that to me when talking about how it wasn't 'necessary to keep the Sabbath'. Just to avoid confusion...

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 01:56 PM

No confusion...it's nice to have another Adventist, lol:yay:



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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 01:59 PM

And honestly? Study revelation. You believe the beast is the Roman catholic church? Ok. Then "Christians" will be persecuting "Christians" in the last days. Whats the difference between the two? One of them keeps God's commandments, and the other keeps the traditions of men. Can you prove to me out of the bible that Sunday is the day we're supposed to rest and worship God? The catholic church says "we changed the day with no scriptural evidence to support it...as a sign of our power". Tradition of man? Show me where Jesus changed it...maybe Paul? Please? If you could I would be worshiping on Sunday. I want to serve God. But I don't see it, so I'll do what Jesus did, and what God tells me to do. Calvin actually established a theocratic government and wanted dissenters burned at the stake. That sounds more like a cult leader then Ellen White. You will know them by their fruits. I think you use Calvin to twist the scripture, and you think I use Ellen White. But you still like to point fingers....anyway...Ellen White did not determine my beliefs. I've barely even read any of her stuff. I use scripture to support my beliefs. I believe(as does my church) that the MAJORITY of true Christians are not SDA's, so I won't call you a cult unless you have 50 wives, and make all your followers drink poisoned koolaid to ride comets to heaven. But thanks for calling me one. It's almost like *GASP* bearing false witness?! But it was done in ignorance so I'll ask God to forget about it.:winksmile: I still see you as good Christian dudes. Next time try and get your info from someone that Ellen White has completely brainwas...I mean...*cough*...what?:ribbit:





Oh yeah! Did you guys see that thing about the "blue zones" that was done recently? About people that live longer the normal? Adventists were one of the groups! I know! Want to know one of the reasons that was attributed the extra long life of Adventists? Taking one day out of seven to rest and focus on God. No stress. God is wise, eh? That's a good witness.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcYfkG8jAA

Sorry cattle...another video...





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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 03:00 PM

The Bible lists six identifying marks of false prophets, any ONE of which is sufficient for identification:



(1) through signs and wonders they lead astray after false gods (Dt. 13:1-4);

(2) their prophecies don't come to pass (Dt. 18:20-22);

(3) they contradict God's Word (Isa. 8:20);

(4) they bear bad fruit (Mt. 7:18-20);

(5) men speak well of them (Lk. 6:26); and

(6) they deny that Jesus, the one and only Christ, has come once and for all in the flesh (1 Jn. 4:3), thereby denying His sufficiency in all matters of life and godliness (2 Pe. 1:3).



Pay special attention to #2 as you read this. The following is from 7th Day Adventist writings:



"Old Jerusalem never would be built up" (Early Writings, p. 75)



Ellen White claimed she would be alive at the Rapture (Early Writings, pp. 15-16)



Christ would return before slavery was abolished (Early Writings, pp. 35, 276)



Adventists living in 1856 would be alive at the Rapture (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 3, pp. 131-132)



These were prophecies given by Ellen White. She was a false prophet and the Bible warned us about her. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this religion is a cult. God made it very clear.



I pray for those involved that your eyes may be opened to the true God.

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 03:03 PM

And DHTM, "Ellen White is not the leader, she is not higher or even on the same level as the bible. She even says it herself."



Too bad that's not what your church says:



"Many rank-and-file SDA members deny that their organization any longer decrees Ellen G. White a God-inspired prophet. Yet in SDA official publications, the SDA church continues to defend Ellen White legends, and maintain there was no difference in the degree of inspiration she received from that received by Bible writers (Review & Herald, 4 October 1928, p. 11; "Source of Final Appeal," Adventist Review, 3 June 1971, pp. 4�6; G. A. Irwin, Mark of the Beast, p. 1; "The Inspiration and Authority of the Ellen G. White Writings," Adventist Review, 15 July 1982, p. 3; Ministry, October 1981, p. 8 (5); see also, Judged by the Gospel, pp. 125�130). And in the SDA June 2000, General Conference, the church voted to more aggressively affirm and support the "Spirit of Prophecy through the ministry of Ellen White" (Adventist Today, [online: July 2000]). "



Snap out of it. This is a decision that will decide your place in eternity.

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 03:21 PM

friend its not our place to judge another because they believe a lil different then us

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 03:35 PM

Yes, we ARE to say something when people are being misled:



Titus 1:9 "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it."

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Posted : 23 Sep, 2009 04:45 PM

Essential Christian Doctrines



a."Central doctrines" of the Christian faith are those doctrines that make the Christian faith Christian and not something else.

1.The meaning of the expression "Christian faith" is not like a wax nose, which can be twisted to mean whatever the speaker wants it to mean.

2.The Christian faith is a definite system of beliefs with definite content (Jude 3)

3.Certain Christian doctrines constitute the core of the faith. Central doctrines include the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the bodily resurrection, the atoning work of Christ on the cross, and salvation by grace through faith. These doctrines so comprise the essence of the Christian faith that to remove any of them is to make the belief system non-Christian.

4.Scripture teaches that the beliefs mentioned above are of central importance (e.g., Matt. 28:19; John 8:24; 1 Cor. 15; Eph. 2:8-10).

5.Because these central doctrines define the character of Christianity, one cannot be saved and deny these.

6.Central doctrines should not be confused with peripheral issues, about which Christians may legitimately disagree.

Peripheral (i.e. non-essential) doctrines include such issues as the timing of the tribulation, the method of baptism, or the structure of church government. For example, one can be wrong about the identity of "the spirits in prison" 1 Peter 3:19) or about the timing of the rapture and still go to heaven, but one cannot deny salvation by grace or the deity of Christ (John 8:24) and be saved.



7.All Christian denominations � whether Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant � agree on the essential core. The relatively minor disagreements between genuinely Christian denominations, then, cannot be used to argue that there is no objectively recognized core of fundamental doctrine which constitutes the Christian faith.

- Source: Source: Alan Gomes, Cult: A Theological Definition, excerpt from "Unmasking The Cults" Zondervan Publishing Company (May 11, 1995)

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Seventh-day Adventism has long been a misunderstood group. This is because beginning in the 1950's they began to seek acceptance by evangelical, born-again Christians. They opened up a dialogue with Walter Martin at Donald Grey Barnhouse's insistence. What followed was a stunning piece of public relations work that began a cover-up of the real truths of Adventism. Adventists desperately want to be accepted so that they may proselytize Christians. You may find the following information to be informative and helpful.



SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE A FALSE PROPHETESS - Ellen G. White. Adventists officially state, "As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction" "The Dallas Statement 17" (emphasis supplied). Ellen White's writings are called the "Spirit of Prophecy" and "The Testimony of Jesus". She is considered by Adventists to be as inspired as Bible writers. Her writings are considered to be as inspired as the Bible. Space does not permit us to show her many false prophecies but documentation is available. She is the authoress of the books quoted below. Her writings represent current Adventist beliefs. Speaking of her writings she said, "The testimonies are of the Spirit of God or of the Devil" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, p. 230.







THE CULTIC DOCTRINES OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM



1). THE ATONEMENT IS NOT COMPLETE



"The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel sin....It will stand in the sanctuary until the final atonement" Patriarchs and Prophets, P. 357 (emphasis added).



"Now while our great High Priest is making the atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ" The Great Controversy, p. 623 (emphasis added).



"...instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).





2). BELIEVERS ENTER INTO A JUDGMENT OF WORKS WHICH DETERMINES THEIR SALVATION



"At the time appointed for the judgment.... All who have ever taken upon themselves the name of Christ must pass its searching scrutiny. Both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" The Great Controversy, P. 486 (emphasis added).



"Every case had been decided for life or death. While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary, the judgment had been going on for the righteous dead, and then for the righteous living" Early Writings, p. 280 (emphasis added).



"So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God" The Great Controversy, p. 480 (emphasis added).



"as the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth....Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance" The Great Controversy, p. 483 (emphasis added). See John 5:24; Romans 8:1





3). WORKS PLUS GRACE EQUALS SALVATION



"The judgment is to set, the books are to be opened, and we are to be judged according to our deeds" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 100 (emphasis added). Remember, this is a judgment of works for salvation, not for rewards.



"While good works will not save even one soul, yet it is impossible for even one soul to be saved without good works" Selected Messages, bk. 1, p. 377 (emphasis added).





4). SATAN BEARS OUR SINS



"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).



"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.





5). CHRISTIANS WILL STAND BEFORE GOD WITHOUT CHRIST'S INTERCESSION



"Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator" The Great Controversy, p. 425 (emphasis added).



"When Jesus ceases to plead for man, the cases of all are forever decided. This is the time of reckoning with His servants" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 191 (emphasis added).



Because they will have to stand before God without a mediator Adventists believe that they must be perfect before Jesus returns:





6). WE CAN BE SINLESS



"Those only who through faith in Christ obey all of God's commandments will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression" Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 6, p. 1118 (emphasis added).



"To be redeemed means to cease from sin" Review & Herald, September 25, 1900 (emphasis added). I John 1:8,10





7). THE SABBATH IS THE SEAL OF GOD AND THOSE WORSHIPING ON SUNDAY WILL RECIEVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST



It is well known that Adventists teach Sabbath-keeping. What is not so well known is that they teach that it is the seal of God and that those who worship on Sunday before the Rapture will receive the mark of the beast. Ultimately, according to Adventist theology, salvation in the last days boils down to the day you worship on!





8). SOUL SLEEP



Seventh-day Adventists, like Jehovah's Witnesses, teach that when a believer dies his soul "sleeps". Some believe that you entirely cease to exist.





9). A DENIAL OF THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF HELL



Seventh-day Adventists do not teach the biblical doctrine of hell. They, like Jehovah's Witnesses, teach that unbelievers will be annihilated and that hell is temporary.













Frequently Asked Questions







1. Aren�t Seventh-day Adventists just like other Christians?



No. Seventh-day Adventists have several �distinctive doctrines� that they claim make them unique among all other churches.







2. What are the teachings that are unique to Seventh-day Adventists?



A. The doctrine that Ellen G. White�s writings are as inspired as the Bible.



B. The doctrine, based on Ellen G. White�s writings, that a believer will be judged by his or her works and this judgment of works determines one�s salvation. This is called the �Investigative Judgment� or the �Pre-Advent Judgment�. Ellen G. White�s book, the Great Controversy, teaches this doctrine in chapters 24 and 28.



C. The doctrine that in the last days, just before Jesus returns, only those worshipping on Saturday will be saved. They particularly believe that worshipping on Sunday will be the mark of the beast.



D. That Sabbath keeping is the �seal of God�, even though the Bible says that the Holy Spirit indwelling a believer is God�s seal (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22).



E. That the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the only true church of God on earth. Any other churches are apostate and referred to as �Babylon�, or �Apostate Protestants.�



F. When a Christian dies they cease to exist. Adventists, in common with Jehovah�s Witnesses, teach that a Christian does not go to be with the Lord at death. Adventists teach that the soul ceases to exist and must be recreated by God at the resurrection. Hence, the believer is separated from God by death, contrary to what Romans 8:38-39 and 2 Cor. 5:8 says.



G. Seventh-day Adventists do not believe in the eternal punishment of the devil and his angels or of the wicked. They believe that the penalty for sinning against a holy God is merely annihilation.



H. Seventh-day Adventists teach that the atonement was not completed at the cross, but is still in the process of being completed. This is part of their Investigative Judgment teaching.







3. Don�t Seventh-day Adventists teach salvation by grace through faith?



Yes they do, but they also teach that a person�s ultimate salvation will be determined by the outcome of the Investigative Judgment. This doctrine, never taught before in the history of the church, teaches that beginning on October 22, 1844 an Investigative Judgment of all believer�s lives began. During this judgment, Adventists teach, believer�s names come up before God. If a believer has sinned that sin is marked down by a recording angel in heaven. That sin goes against the believer in the judgment. If a believer confesses that sin, �pardon� is written against that sin, but the sin remains on the books of record. Every single sin must be confessed to have �pardon� written by it. When a believer�s name comes up in this Investigative Judgment, God will weigh the good works against the sins. A believer never knows when God may come to his name in this judgment. When God looks at the believer�s life, Adventist�s teach, if those sins that were confessed and had been �pardoned� were not perfectly overcome, they will go against the believer. Bottom line, an Adventist must perfectly overcome their sin in order to stand before God. They are taught by their prophetess that they must stand before a holy God without Jesus as their mediator. Their prophetess Ellen G. White says, �Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator� (The Great Controversy, p. 425). Needless to say, all of this contradicts the New Testament gospel of grace. The Bible teaches that believers never will enter a judgment for their salvation (John 5:24) and that there is no condemnation for a believer (Romans 8:1). The Bible teaches that when we confess our sins, they do not remain anywhere before God, they are forgiven and blotted out, wiped away! (See 1 John 1:8-9; Isaiah 43:25 and 44:22). The Bible teaches that Jesus will never stop being a believer�s mediator (Hebrews 7:25).



We stand before God, not by any merit of our own or because of any works we have done (Titus 3:5, Romans 3:28, Ephesians 2:8-9).







4. Don�t Adventists believe they are God�s �remnant� people?



Yes. Seventh-day Adventists believe they are the only true church on earth. As recently as the spring of 2000 at their world wide General Conference meeting they passed a resolution affirming this belief. This is very important for them to believe. They refer to other Christians as either �apostate Protestant�, �Babylon�, �Sunday keepers�, or as sheep that have not yet come into the fold. They believe everyone who will be saved in the final days before Jesus returns will be a Seventh-day Adventist.







5. Do Adventists believe in the Trinity?



Yes. Seventh-day Adventists believe in the Trinity, though some of the pioneers of the Adventist church did not. James White (husband of their prophetess Ellen G. White) and Uriah Smith, author of �Bible Readings For The Home�, �Daniel and The Revelation�, books Adventist still circulate today, both shared the same Arian beliefs. They did not believe that Jesus was God.







6. Do Seventh-day Adventists teach Jesus is Michael the Archangel?



Yes, Seventh-day Adventists share this belief with Jehovah�s Witnesses. Adventists are very firm in their belief that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. They must take this position because this is what their prophetess, Ellen G. White taught. They also believe that Jesus is God. There is a glaring contradiction here. Hebrews 1:13-14 says that Jesus is not an angel.







7. Don�t Seventh-day Adventists live a very healthy lifestyle?



Yes and no. Officially the church encourages its members to be vegetarians because this is what Ellen G. White teaches. Most Adventists are not vegetarian. Many of those who are vegetarian eat diets that are high in fats, such as cheese and eggs.



Adventist do not eat the, �unclean� foods mentioned in the Bible, though in the New Testament Jesus and Paul declare all foods �clean� (Luke 11:41, Mark 7:19, Titus 1:15, Romans 14:14, 1 Tim. 4:3-5).







8. Haven�t Adventists made a lot of changes in the past 15 years?



Adventists have made only cosmetic changes. Their core doctrines have not changed at all. They still preach at their evangelistic meetings that all other churches are wrong and are apostate Protestants or Catholics. They still believe Ellen G. White�s writings are as inspired as the Bible and they still believe and teach all their �distinctive� doctrines mentioned in question two.



Seventh-day Adventists desperately want to look like, sound like and be accepted like evangelical Christians. The problem is they don�t believe like evangelical, Bible believing Christians.



Adventists want to be accepted as evangelicals so that they can proselytize other Christians. If Adventists held a large evangelistic crusade in a city and had thousands of converts they would never funnel any of them to a Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran or non-denominational church. That would be unthinkable to them.



Click here to read recent comments by SDA President Jan Paulsen clearly reinforcing that they haven't changed.







9. Are there true Christians in the Seventh-day Adventist church?



Obviously only God knows the state of a heart. There are some Adventists waking up to the fact that their church contradicts the Bible and they have doctrines, like the Investigative Judgment, that are incompatible with the New Testament teaching of salvation by grace through faith.



There are many Seventh-day Adventist pastors who have left the church because they have discovered the false doctrines and the errors of the Adventist prophetess, Ellen G. White. They need our prayers. Many of them are very gifted teachers, preachers and evangelists.







10. What do we think about Seventh-day Adventists?



We at ex-Adventist Outreach love the Seventh-day Adventist people. We desire to see them all come to a saving knowledge of God�s grace in Jesus Christ.







11. Do Adventists add anything to the Bible?



Seventh-day Adventists will say emphatically that they believe the Bible alone. That, however, must be interpreted to mean that they believe the Bible alone and in Ellen G. White, whom they believe is God�s last day prophetess. They believe that her writings are as inspired as the Bible and Adventist interpretations of Scripture will never contradict Ellen G. White�s interpretations.



Official Adventist statements of belief say that they believe the Bible alone. Then in another section they say that the writings of Ellen G. White are a continuing source of authority in the church. Adventists have now published more books of Ellen White�s writings than there are books of the Bible. Many Adventists devoted to Ellen G. White read more of her writings than they read the Bible. Ellen G. White�s writings are quoted authoritatively by Adventist pastors in most of their sermons. They will refer to her as �The Pen of Inspiration�, �God�s Servant�, �The Messenger of the Lord�, �Inspiration�, �Sister White� or simply as �Ellen White�. When they do not refer to her writings in this way they will simply say the name of the book they are quoting from and give the reference. It is not uncommon for an Ellen G. White quotation to be memorized and quoted like a Bible verse. Many times those kinds of quotations are used as the final argument in Sabbath school class discussions.



See also: Alarming recent comments by SDA President Jan Paulsen.







12. Do Adventists have their own translation of the Bible?



No, Adventists have historically used the King James Version of the Bible. Some of their doctrines are much harder to prove from more modern versions like the New American Standard Bible or the New International Version.



In 1994 the Seventh-day Adventists did publish an Adventist paraphrase of the Bible, �The Clear Word Bible�, done by Adventist pastor and scholar Jack J. Blanco. This paraphrase has made huge changes to the Word of God. Large portions of Scripture have been altered to support Adventist distinctive doctrines. Passages of Scripture that refute Adventist false teaching have been �edited� so that they are rendered ineffective. This paraphrase is much worse of an attack on the Bible than the Jehovah�s Witnesses New World Translation or Joseph Smith�s (Mormon) �Inspired Translation of the King James Version�.



Click here to read article on the Clear Word Bible.







13. Why do Seventh-day Adventists make such a big deal about going to church on

Saturday?



Seventh-day Adventists, like Jews, observe Saturday as the Sabbath. They do not understand that we Christians are under a New Covenant with New Covenant signs.



The Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments (Deut. 4:13, Deut. 9:9,11,15; 10:4, 1 Kings 8:9,21), had the sign of Sabbath keeping. God predicted that He would change this covenant (Jeremiah 31:31). Christians are under a New Covenant. The New Covenant signs that we are to observe are baptism (Col. 2:11-12) and the Lord�s supper (Luke 22:19-20).



The Apostle Paul teaches that we are now under a New Covenant and under �the law of the Spirit of life that is in Christ Jesus� (Rom. 8:2). Our �Law� is the teachings of the New Testament. (Gal. 6:2)



For further study we recommend our Bible study, �The Gospel & The Covenants�, these tapes have been used by the Lord to set thousands of Adventists free around the world.







14. Why don�t Adventists clearly identify themselves when they have �Prophecy

Seminars� or health classes?



One can only suppose the Adventist leaders know the poor reputation they have in the Christian community doctrinally.



When Adventists hold their meetings, aimed primarily at taking members from other churches, they generally do not identify who they are. The following is a list of a few Adventist organizations or organizations with very similar beliefs (similar to an Adventist �para-church� organization if there was such a thing):



�It Is Written� television programs and seminars

�The Voice of Prophecy� radio programs and seminars

�The 5-day Plan to Stop Smoking�

�Revelation Seminars�

3ABN TV Network

Many �Health Seminars� or �Vegetarian Cooking� classes held at Adventist schools or local churches

Adventist hospitals, health centers, clinics, and nursing homes

SDA parochial day schools, boarding schools, high schools- also called �Academies� and colleges and universities

Loma Linda University is their flagship medical center and world-class medical school

Andrew�s University is their seminary in North America

�Amazing Facts� radio broadcasts and literature

�Amazing Facts� crusades

�Light Bearers�

Adventist Publishers:



Review & Herald Publishing

Pacific Press Publishing

Southern Publishing

Seventh-day Adventist magazines often used as Adventist proselytizing tools:



Adventist Review

Listen

Liberty

The Signs of the Times

The magazine targeting Christian pastors and church leaders is Ministry Magazine. It is sent free to thousands of pastors across the land. Your pastor probably receives it. The issue he receives is slick and looks evangelical, containing many useful articles. What your pastor probably doesn�t know is that between every issue he receives is an issue intended only for Adventist pastors. There they debate issues such as how to interpret Ellen G. White, her role and function in the church, the Sabbath, the Investigative Judgment and other Adventist �distinctives� or fundamental Seventh-day Adventist doctrines.



It�s safe to say that the goal of everything the Seventh-day Adventist church does is to advance Adventism around the world and to attempt to make you or your family Seventh-day Adventists.







15. Why do my Adventist relatives and friends get so defensive when I talk to them

about where I think they are doctrinally wrong?



Adventists are taught from childhood that they are God�s only true church on earth and that they are God�s remnant people. They are taught that they have the �truth� and all other Christians are wrong and are apostate. This causes them to have an attitude of spiritual arrogance and pride. They have a very difficult time receiving anything from a �Sunday Keeper�, as they refer to you. This spiritual pride and arrogance generally leads them to become defensive. Instead of listening to you they retreat into their doctrinal structure and hide. They are insecure in their beliefs and if you get them away from their proof-text method of presenting their doctrines they are lost.



They have been taught that someday those who worship on Sunday will persecute them, hunt them and even kill them. This doesn�t help.



Prayerfully begin to share the truth with them.







16. How do I share the truth with an Adventist?



Ask them questions.

Lead them to verses in the New Testament they have never understood such as: Galatians 3-4, Colossians 2, Hebrews 8, and Romans 7.

Ask them how Jesus can be God and be Michael the Archangel

Ask them how the Sabbath can be the seal of a God when the Bible say the Holy Spirit is.

Ask them how they could stand before God without a mediator when the Bible says Jesus always lives to make intercession for us (Heb. 7:25).





17. How can I help reach Seventh-day Adventists for Christ?



There are three things you can do:



Pray for them. This is a spiritual battle. Ask the Lord to break down Satan�s strongholds and to open the eyes of Adventists around the world so that they can see the truths of the New Testament gospel of grace.

Support ministries that reach out to SDA�s with your prayers and financial support. There are many ministries linked on the web that minister to SDA�s worldwide. Remember, the Seventh-day Adventist church is a multi-million dollar organization. With much prayer and fasting God can break through to these dear people and set them free.

Tell other Christians what you�ve learned about Adventism. We must spread the truth about Seventh-day Adventism so that Christians are not deceived and Christian leaders around the world are made aware of these concerns.

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