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š§¼ š§¹š when christ returns then the church will really get a clean up š
Posted : 16 Aug, 2021 01:40 PM
the significance of the refinerās fire and laundererās soap in Malachi 3:2
Malachi 3:2, where the phrase refinerās fire is used, has been a popular verse in Western society for centuries due to its use in Handelās famous oratorio Messiah. The verse reads, āBut who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refinerās fire or a laundererās soap.ā Letās take a look at the prophetās similes.
Malachi says that, when the Lord returns, no one will be able to stand before Him. The Lordās holiness and judgment will be as a refinerās blazing fire and as a fullerās bleaching agent. The idea of āstandingā before the Lord is associated with āwithstandingā or āstanding up toā; sinful human flesh will not have the strength, the right, or the desire to resist the Lord in His glory (cf. Psalm 76:7; Revelation 6:17).
The two similes help clarify why no one will be able to stand in the Day of the Lord. First, Malachi 3:2 says the Messiah will be like a refinerās fire, an allusion to the process of purifying metal. A refiner uses a fire to heat metal to a molten state; then he skims off the dross that floats to the top. The refinerās fire is, of course, maintained at an extremely high temperature, and such a high degree of heat is the prophetās picture of the testing people will face on Judgment Day. All judgment has been entrusted to the Son (John 5:22). Upon Christās return, the intense flame of Godās judgment will purify the earth, removing the dross of sin.
Second, the Messiah will be like a laundererās soap. This type of soap was caustic and quite effective in producing bright white clothing. The HCSB translates it as ācleansing lye.ā When Christ returns, He will cleanse the world of all impurity. Every stain of sin will be scrubbed away. The account of Jesusā transfiguration contains a reference to His purity, using language similar to Malachiās: āHe was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach themā (Mark 9:2ā3).
The goal of Jesus will be to judge wickedness and purify His people: āHe will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousnessā (Malachi 3:3). Like the refinerās fire, He will burn away the impurities of the priests. Like laundererās soap, He will wash away their uncleanness (Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 1:25; Jeremiah 6:29ā30; Ezekiel 22:17ā22; Zechariah 3:5). The priests in the millennial kingdom will then be able to offer sacrifices from a pure heart. The sacrifices in those days will be similar to those when the temple was first built: āThe offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former yearsā (Malachi 3:4).
The refinerās fire and laundererās soap indicate the holiness and burning judgment of the Messiah when He returns to reign in Jerusalem at His second coming. His purifying brightness and absolute holiness will affect those who serve Him, creating a cleansed temple and purified priesthood. āSee, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies himā (Isaiah 40:10)
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Posted : 17 Aug, 2021 09:24 AM
Can you believe this dude rsvp Quiz??? He makes the assumption 'churches' today ARE TO ' have no trouble honoring the stateās God-given authority while also giving supreme allegiance to Godās higher authority' even to CULT doctrine and manmade 'laws' over YHWH's LAW!? WOAH!!! Right Quiz? Or even the so called CULT SATANIC 'worship bands' or wanna be ROCK STARS like my little brother in his CULT church!!!
What a hallucination thread here of rsvp (heaveniscalling?) but he is not listening! Let alone him giving CONTEXT to the subject of the 'refinerās fire' and WHO YHWH is coming back for and WHO He will destroy by the brightness (2 Thess. 2:8) of His SECOND coming (no not a CULT teaching secret rapture PAGAN teaching rsvp!). LOL!
Moon the verses you give of Acts 2:47 and Ephesians 4:11 have to do with the past beginning REAL Church and its history! This has NOTHING to do with the CULT 'churches' today that follow the HARLOT cathoholic ROMAN CULT 'church' that teaches to worship BAAL on SUN-day OR those who teach to worship the 'planet' SATURN on SATURN-day! OK? ALL organized religion today is controlled by the PAGAN Jesuits 'priests' as they call themselves, working behind the scene and so you will not hopefully notice! The HARLOT cathoholic ROMAN CULT 'church' is the talking head (on TV, news papers etc for the masses!), the parrot if you will of the ROMAN system and PAGAN ROME is ALIVE and well today! The REAL Churches today are underground (little flocks in homes), they have no taught 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc to control them with CULT taught doctrine. The brainwashed 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc today you can easily recognize (just as you can those in government) because they will be wearing the NOOSE (they are controlled, YOU SEE?) around their necks called the NECKTIE or 'cravatte' in French! STUUUUPID IDIOTS! LOL!
These 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' are taught to teach a certain kind of doctrine that is different from other denomination CULTS by the colleges, so to fight one another, creating distractions from discovering TRUTH of the Bible on their own! When these 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc 'graduate' in CULT doctrine, then they are OWNED by a paycheck when they are hired (as a business man for a business 'church' as Quiz correctly points out here!) to lead' (by satan ultimately!) that particular CULT church and its doctrines! If they stray from those doctrines they will be OUT OF WORK and no income for their families! You see!? These 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc are THEN OWNED!
Quiz, you are sooooo on track to the truth BUT you are NOT giving the bigger picture! OK? Its not all about the 501C3/pastor/CEO/ASSISTANT PASTOR/ Vice president/BOARD of DIRECTORS etc of the smoke and mirror show >>>BUT<<< WHO controls them and WHAT they teach! OK? Try to keep that in mind Quiz, when you do your INDEPENDANT research apart from all the CULTS! Its good you have COME OUT from those CULT teaching 'churches' like I did over 30 years ago and now belong in a 'little flock' as there are MANY out there in homes that cannot be controlled by the PAGAN Jesuits 'priests' and their controlled cemetery (seminary) colleges today!
Revelation 18:4 'And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, >>>Come out of her (todays CULT churches), my people<<<, that ye be not partakers of her (todays CULT churches) sins, and that ye receive not of her (todays CULT churches) plagues.
Which gets us back to rsvp CULT teaching of a 'secret rapture' (originally made up by the Jesuit run cathoholic RCC!) of the Church and how convenient is that teaching for rsvp, that the Church will not go through the Tribulation, the TEST, the 'refinerās fire' JUST as LOT was TESTED and told to COME OUT of sodom and gomorrah! So was LOT and family (the Church) 'secretly raptured' like rsvp teaches??? And for that matter was NOAH (the Church) 'secretly raptured' OUT OF THE EARTH >before< or DURING the flood or was he tested and TOLD to build an ark and GET IN IT NOW and OBEYED! You see Quiz, rsvp and David have an OBEDIENCE problem and are not headed for the kingdom of heaven presently and its really sad that they are CONTROLLED by their CULT 'churches' but you are NOT Quiz, even though you are confused on Scripture many times of its CONTEXT to the Bible as a WHOLE, not just a chapter with some verses! OK?
Note also readers that Revelation 18:4 speaks of the CHURCH and rsvp says the Church is 'secretly raptured' out of the earth >before< the tribulation when he states in another thread (his CULT tales episode 22!) - 'millions of Christians that depart that are raptured prior to the Great tribulation' LOL!
But remember Quiz when you CORRECTLY stated to rsvp - 'Where did Messiah ever mention there was an escape clause from the TRIBULATION, in the Word, hmmmm. John 17, Messiah asked the Father NOT to take believers out of this world. The apostles never left this planet in some unknown rapture THEORY.'
GREAT TRUTHFUL POST QUIZ!!!
And even more so Quiz, my hat is of to you when you stated - The (so called) 'christians' (today) had better read the book (The Bible!) for themselves!' AMEN Quiz but rsvp and David, as well as the other forum 'trinity' of 'gods' Moon just cannot for some reason COME OUT of their CULT churches, now can they Quiz??? Very strange and very indoctrinated aren't they Quiz???
But back to the thread topic Quiz, in that rsvp the CULT teacher wants readers to believe in a FORCED 'refinerās fire' of the Church AT THE ACTUAL APPEARING of Father YHWH with His original WORD, His Son He made flesh sitting on His right hand side (note the so called separate 'Spirit' and another 'god' that rsvp and David teach is NOT sitting on the Father's right hand side! Why?) to cleanse the Church, when the FACT is the Church is LOOOOONG ago CLEAN >>> BEFORE<<< His second coming (no secret rapture!) for His SINLESS saints!
Just like you said Quiz but rsvp tried to distract you when you said - 'About the so called 'church' thingy in Revelation, did you not read about the SAINTS in that book, who are the Saints!!!' Well said Quiz!
You see rsvp CULTLY believes the Church is not mentioned as being on earth after chapter 4 of Revelation and nothing could be further from the truth!
Evidence Revelation 18:4 for just ONE verse and THAT chapter!!!
For rsvp CULTLY states - 'the church is not found from revelation 4....' and on?
So Quiz and readers, if that is true, then WHAT witnesses does YHWH the Father have on earth and for what purpose would it be to 'secretly rapture' the Church then??? AGAIN was LOT and company 'raptured' from the earth??? Was NOAH during the TERRIBLE TRIBULATION of the FLOOD 'raptured' from the earth??? Obviously NOT!
So rsvp statement - 'Our momentary light affliction is producing for usā¦gloryā (2 Cor. 4:17). Certainly the Great tribulation of God's wrath which he pours out at that time is not a light affliction!' is just not understood by rsvp because he does not understand (nor want too) CONTEXT of the entire Bible when it comes to WHO receives WRATH and WHO does not DURING TRIBULATION times!!! Right Quiz?
Note how rsvp does not understand and says 'the Great tribulation' is NOT a 'light affliction' BUT does not give a comparison to NOAH in like the TERRIBLE FLOOD that CERTAINLY ALSO WAS NOT A 'LIGHT AFFLICTION'!
Then rsvp ATTEMPTS to separate the special 144,000 and the two witnesses from the Church, as to claim two TIME periods of the second coming of Father YHWH with His WORD made flesh at that time??? Not hardly! GEESH, what an INDOCTRINATED LAD this rsvp is with his cathoholic taught 'god' of a 'secret rapture' ! Right Quiz?
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Posted : 17 Aug, 2021 04:14 PM
Iām not surprised the Quiz and the TeddyBug are manifesting their heretical allegiances by aiding each other against the truth.
Kinda reminiscent of a period of time when other false teachers did the same thing. The Pharisees and Sadducess, who were formerly doctrinaire enemies, suddenly cooperated together to destroy Jesus.
š§¼ š§¹š when christ returns then the church will really get a clean up š
Posted : 17 Aug, 2021 04:38 PM
Dave, where have you been.
As i said, the so called 'church' does not exist in the Word of GOD Almighty.
Moon show where a person called 'pastor' leads the people.
We have a self appointed position called pastor/CEO
How about ASSISTANT PASTOR/ Vice president.
Hmm, worship leader, and band.
How about BOARD ELDERS( Actually they are BORED elders, as they sit under the self appointed pastor).
How about BOARD of DIRECTORS.
Last but not least the SHEEPLE, that actually work to support this man made BUSINESS.
Now let us look at the structure of a business.
CEO/ President of the company
Vice president of the company
Board of directors
Why is the so called 'church' a BUSINESS,in in order to take the 501C3 tax exempt status, that is given to Businesses to not pay taxes.
Yet, Messiah says to pay taxes.
Matthew 17 verses 24 - 27
24 And they having come to Capernaum, those collecting the didrachmas came to Peter and said, āDoes your Teacher pay the didrachmas?ā
25 He says, āYes.ā And he having entered into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, āWhat do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth receive custom or tribute? From their sons, or from strangers?ā
26 And he having said, āFrom the strangers,ā Jesus said to him, āThen the sons are free. 27 But that we might not offend them, having gone to the sea, cast a hook and take the first fish having come up, and having opened its mouth, you will find a stater. Having taken that, give it to them for Me and yourself.ā
Hmmm, the so called 'church' is a son of the state.
Then the people supposedly give, yet it is with a hook hidden inside called the Tax write off.
These violate what Messiah says.
Of course the so called 'christians' will have some lame excuse for this.
š§¼ š§¹š when christ returns then the church will really get a clean up š
Posted : 17 Aug, 2021 05:01 PM
Quiz, once again, the verses you quoted are out of context. Jesus, as a citizen, paid the required tax. Thereās absolutely nothing, ā0ā, nada about the church paying taxes.
He makes the assumption 'churches' today ARE TO ' have no trouble honoring the stateās God-given authority while also giving supreme allegiance to Godās higher authority' even to CULT doctrine and manmade 'laws' over YHWH's LAW!? 
WOAH!!! 
Right Quiz? Or even the so called CULT SATANIC 'worship bands' or wanna be ROCK STARS like my little brother in his CULT church!!! 
OK? ALL organized religion today is controlled by the PAGAN Jesuits 'priests' as they call themselves, working behind the scene and so you will not hopefully notice! The HARLOT cathoholic ROMAN CULT 'church' is the talking head (on TV, news papers etc for the masses!), the parrot if you will of the ROMAN system and PAGAN ROME is ALIVE and well today! The REAL Churches today are underground (little flocks in homes), they have no taught 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc to control them with CULT taught doctrine. The brainwashed 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc today you can easily recognize (just as you can those in government) because they will be wearing the NOOSE (they are controlled, YOU SEE?) around their necks called the NECKTIE or 'cravatte' in French! STUUUUPID IDIOTS! LOL! 
You see!? These 'pastors/teachers/evangelist' etc are THEN OWNED! 
OK? Its not all about the 501C3/pastor/CEO/ASSISTANT PASTOR/ Vice president/BOARD of DIRECTORS etc of the smoke and mirror show >>>BUT<<< WHO controls them and WHAT they teach! 
OK? Try to keep that in mind Quiz, when you do your INDEPENDANT research apart from all the CULTS! Its good you have COME OUT from those CULT teaching 'churches' like I did over 30 years ago and now belong in a 'little flock' as there are MANY out there in homes that cannot be controlled by the PAGAN Jesuits 'priests' and their controlled cemetery (seminary) colleges today!
and its really sad that they are CONTROLLED by their CULT 'churches' but you are NOT Quiz, even though you are confused on Scripture many times of its CONTEXT to the Bible as a WHOLE, not just a chapter with some verses! OK? 
