Author	Thread: Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian
phalom88 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 02:45 PM I believe, from experience and the Bible, that being a real Christian means knowing the one true God of the universe personally, as a dynamic being with a real personality and an undeniable (though spiritual) presence, believing Him that He has a perfect satisfaction for one's desires and an absolute will to bring everything to a perfect end, and deciding (though not always succeeding in one's efforts, therefore only justified in Christ) to follow and depend on Him completely and absolutely. Nothing less. This definition specifically excludes anyone who does not have any personal experience with a spiritual being, as well as anyone who is not yet ready to fully submit every aspect of their life to Him. Result? Most of the people in modern Christian churches aren't real Christians. Does anyone also see this discrepancy? I'd love to talk to people who would call themselves Christians by this definition. Post Reply
View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 09:52 AM pleased to meet you shalom 88 in case of an anti-gravity emergency if you encounter any chinese people walking upside down on this forum just dial 1-800 Fix-A-Flat our quick sinless perfectionist response team of Teddy hug and Adam will be glad to assist you Post Reply
View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 09:53 AM phalom 88 that is Post Reply
phalom88 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 01:02 PM So, if you claimed to know Oprah personally, but then really only read the books that she's written, heard what she said to other people, followed all of her lifestyle suggestions and product selections, gave money to organizations that she started, and maybe even talked out loud to her every night by your bed, before you ate anything, and whenever you were amongst other fans of hers, but never actually carried on a conversation with her, heard her voice talking to you directly, knew anything that she was doing in real time as a result of your own personal involvement, or truly believed that you ever would, you'd be obviously and simply lying. You'd be a fan. You wouldn't know her personally. So people read God's books, some things that He said to other people (even some things that other people said to each other in personal letters), they follow or try to follow or pretend to follow some of the general commandments that they can interpret their way out of connecting to this story about a God that really just wants to have an intimate love relationship with us all, they follow 'Christian' culture trends, give money, and talk out loud or in their heads to Him, but they never expect to really, truly, undeniably hear back from Him, with a voice that is perhaps physical or perhaps not but either way unmistakable, not the voice of their own feelings or conscience or beliefs or those of others in their memory, but a voice that would scare them if they weren't expecting to hear it, like a person that suddenly talks when you didn't even realize that they were in the room. If Oprah died, fans could still watch re-runs, give to her organizations, and even follow her guidelines for a good life, but friends who knew her would be out a friend. If God suddenly ceased to exist, the 'church' (as I have experienced it) could still read the Bible, talk to the air, and attempt to live by a moral code... would they even know that He was gone? Are you sure that you would? Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 01:17 PM I never was an fan of Oprah . God will never cease to exiidt, He is the beginning and the end! We talk to God in Prayer. God speaks to His Believers through His Word/Bible. God also speaks to the heart of man. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 01:17 PM I never was an fan of Oprah . God will never cease to exiidt, He is the beginning and the end! We talk to God in Prayer. God speaks to His Believers through His Word/Bible. God also speaks to the heart of man. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 01:18 PM " exist" Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 06:56 PM Phalom, I appreciate your discussion. I’ll get right to my response, the following phrases are not in the Bible: “personal relationship with God,” “relationship with God,” “personal relationship” or “you can have a relationship with God.” None appear in the Bible verbatim. When people use these words, (I believe erringly), they’re talking “metaphorically” about something else. When applied properly, the use of metaphor adds color and insight to ideas. But in some cases, like those listed above, they’re useless, meaningless and drab, they fail miserably, they don’t work and they should have been purged from Christian evangelism a long time ago. After all, it can be said that Satan has a “relationship” with God!! So what does that mean?? You bring up a very salient point. I’m glad you did. And I agree, the sloppy substitution of “Christianese” amounts to metaphoric silliness, besides that, it’s deplorable. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 06:58 PM Am I getting close the the type of discussion you had in mind? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 31 Mar, 2021 06:50 PM Phalom, looks like you’re still working on a response. In the meantime I’ll answer your last question, QUOTE: If Oprah died, fans could still watch re-runs, give to her organizations, and even follow her guidelines for a good life, but friends who knew her would be out a friend. If God suddenly ceased to exist, the 'church' (as I have experienced it) could still read the Bible, talk to the air, and attempt to live by a moral code... would they even know that He was gone? Are you sure that you would? END QUOTE Phalom, your question is based on fallacious reasoning. Analogies are very useful but only when applied logically. In the above analogy, you committed a reasoning error otherwise known in the discipline and study of logic, the “False Analogy Fallacy.” Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 31 Mar, 2021 07:06 PM I’ll try to be as succinct as possible. The False Analogy Fallacy is usually committed when one attempts to prove something using an ill-fitting analogy that is so vastly different the comparison doesn’t fit, e.g. God is vastly different than Oprah. Post Reply

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