Thread: I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou HAST TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, AND HAST FOUND THEM LIARS
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou HAST TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, AND HAST FOUND THEM LIARS
Posted : 8 Feb, 2021 01:33 AM
Any Apostles today, sent by God, in the churches, any missionaries sent by God and Apostles ?
God does greater than a persons ideas, and words.
God gave the signs, to follow belief, confirming the word with signs, which were, they cast out devils, speak with new tongues, take up serpents, no deadly thing shall harm them, they lay hands on the sick and they recover..
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Now Paul fulfilled those signs, casting out the spirit, tongues more than all, the serpent was took up on Paul's arm and Paul cast it off, Paul laid hands on the sick and healed them..
Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
Acts 28:8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
(drinking deadly thing was fulfilled by muhammed who died through poison to reveal who is not a true apostle)
Back on the PROVEN apostles.
Paul we know, is THE APOSTLE, to the Gentiles, bound with the chain for the HOPE of Israel..
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office
Acts 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
Paul revealed how the Apostles are set forth last as examples to the world, to be weak in Christ, ( in illneses Gods strength is perfected in us 2 Corinthians 12:9) despised, have lost their life for Christ to have nothing, being reviled, hungering, persecuted, this is following Christ, who also had nowhere ti lay His head, are missionaries all of these testimonies, do they fulfill any signs, or they are none of those terrible ways and God proves nothing about them as God fulfilled on His true Apostles INCLUDING being given illness to humble us ?
Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
The mark of a true Apostle is further testified, stripes, deaths, beatings, stonings, perils, weariness, painfulness, hunger, thirst, cold, nakedness, AND, the care of ALL the churches..
2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Many winders and signs were done by the Apostles/ The Apostles give witness of the Lord with great power, and by the hands of the Apostles many signs and wonders were wrought by them, they received Apostleship for obedience to the faith. All of this is THE APOSTLES' DOCTRINE..
Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Now, remembering just above, of the Apostles doctrine, notice right here, how they preach another Jesus. Apostle Paul is the chief Apostle warning us of these FALSE APOSTLES.
False apostles, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
The devil as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness, but we know their works are NOT, the doctrine of the Apostles..
1 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
When Apostle Paul departed, the wolves as just mentioned above, entered the flock of the church...
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
The final word on what occurs, Christ testifies to the churches, to TRY THEM, which SAY, they are apostles, AND ARE NOT, and FIND THEM LIARS..
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
That is the synagogue of satan, the wolves who entered the churches not sparing them, the false apostles as ministers of righteousness with satan leading them as the angel of light, they say they are Jews ( or apostles) and are not, but do lie..
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
So the Jew ( believer in Christs righteousness) is not outwardly recognized by those of the flesh, but the Jew ( and Apostle) is inwardly recognized by God, circumcised in the heart with Gods Spirit, no praise of men, only praise of God..
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Nothing outward, only the hidden man of the heart, which unlike all seen in this world, is not corruptible.
As God has not chosen the seen churches, nor the seen missionaries/apostles, but God has chosen the unseen and foolish, chosen the weak, the base and despised, the ones who are not, to bring to nothing those that are, the flesh who glory in His presence, are not the children of God..
1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou HAST TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, AND HAST FOUND THEM LIARS
Posted : 12 Feb, 2021 12:51 AM
The words of our Lord Jesus Christ, are the only words which last forever after the world we see is gone, forever.
The words of Christ save the soul from death, do other words do any good, or other words even have the power and cause of death in them. No matter how right we think we know things, exactly that right there, is the reason we lose our own soul.
Then that leads us right into all of us that reject the testimony of Christ, and the doctrine of godliness, by not consenting to them, by pride, knowing only the wisdom of this world, and what this worlds churches have taught us all along, as all teach gain, to be a follower of Christ and to follow your own life's path, the same as everybody who is not a Christian...
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
This worlds spirits then seduces all of the world, for fornication and covetousness, they repent not of their adultery, and DENY, we are given ACCORDING TO OUR DEEDS...
Revelation 3:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
All of the way the false teachers set out, is the doctrine of satan, instead of acknowledging how we KNOW Christ, they reveal they INSTEAD KNOW THE DEPTHS OF SATAN..
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, NEITHER KNOWN HIM.
Revelation 3:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many AS HAVE NOT THIS DOCTRINE, and WHICH HAVE NOT KNOWN THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
The deceiver antichrist deny Christ in the flesh, (BY SINNING IN THE FLESH) they confess transgression of the doctrine of Christ.
The correct testimony and acknowledgment is to ABIDE in the doctrine of Christ, they do not bring this doctrine as they bring the doctrine of evil deeds..
2 John 1;7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou HAST TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, AND HAST FOUND THEM LIARS
Posted : 12 Feb, 2021 12:52 AM
Yes Marcousse, I agree with you to be brave and bold, faithful and believing, non doubting, and at the same time, respecting the laws given by God, which are in all this world to keep some order and the world to continue. So the aim, is to keep ourselves open for God, and at the same time, not cause offence to anyone in authority, and with Christ, belief tells us we can do all things together.
The covid is unknown to us unless we know science. But things come on this earth that cause harm, and we cant add to that harm. Doing our best not to go against the advice to prevent spreading ( remembering the elderly and vulnerable) and not worrying about ourselves too much, by trust in God, if He wants us alive, we will be. But, that also says to deny ourselves, and stop worrying about gatherings, as that cannot be right, to be seen in the eyes of the world, to gather for our own comforts, and to risk creating more problems in the covid virus, in their eyesight. Conscience to God tells us all things, we are to be as Christ, nowhere to lay His head, to be made very low and not live for our own pleasure, but for the good of all other..
Romans 15:3 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
