Thread: breaking rocks in the hot sun I fought the law and the law won?
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breaking rocks in the hot sun I fought the law and the law won?
Posted : 11 Dec, 2020 07:45 AM
of course that's the famous Bobby Fuller hit but what happens when a born again Christian under grace as we are breaks the law ? Well I don't mean the ceremonial laws of course but what about the moral laws , can we back slide so far even until losing our salvation? both fans of Quizinos and Subway your input is welcomed
breaking rocks in the hot sun I fought the law and the law won?
Posted : 11 Dec, 2020 05:04 PM
Hi rsvp,
First, let us look into the reply of moon, who believes a person is able to lose their salvation.
Moon: If you sin you ask God for forgiveness. God is a forgiving God .
He knows if you are sincere.
A person can walk away from God and no longer believe.
Then you are Lost.
Quiznos: Moons answer is one of unbelief in what Yashua had said in John 10 verses 22 - 30
22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place in Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple courts in Solomon’s Colonnade.
24 So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 “I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf.
26 But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe.
27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Verse 28 Messiah GIVES, bestows ETERNAL life, to the ones that are FAITHING INTO Him.
Next He PROMISES, gives His word that NO ONE is able to snatch ( RAPTURE ) any believer out of His hand, or the Fathers hand in verse 29.
Moon does not believe in the eternal security that Messiah promises to those FAITHING INTO Him.
Moon believes a person can go from being saved to becoming lost again.
If this is so, then the person cannot be saved again, as Messiah went to the cross just one time to pay the sin debt of ALL people, once and for all eternity. Hebrews 6 verses 1 - 6
1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
3 And this we will do, if God permits.
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age—
6 and then have fallen away— to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.
The shame here is the same as when Moses struck the rock, instead of speaking to the rock.
Numbers 20 verses 6 - 13
6 Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. They fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them.
7 And the LORD said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff and assemble the congregation. You and your brother Aaron are to speak to the rock while they watch, and it will pour out its water. You will bring out water from the rock and provide drink for the congregation and their livestock.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the LORD’s presence, just as he had been commanded.
10 Then Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly in front of the rock, and Moses said to them, “Listen now, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?”
11 Then Moses raised his hand and struck the rock twice with his staff, so that a great amount of water gushed out, and the congregation and their livestock were able to drink.
12 But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust Me to show My holiness in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them.”
13 These were the waters of Meribah, where the Israelites quarreled with the LORD, and He showed His holiness among them.
IF, IF a person is able to lose their salvation, that is because it was their salvation they were working at, not the salvation in Yashua,
Yashua, GIVES eternal life, and never asks for anything in return for that salvation.
The salvation in Messiah is by Grace thru Faith, Ephesian 2 verses 4 - 10
4 But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
Next, Romans 4 verses 1 - 10
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, has discovered?
2 If Abraham was indeed justified by works, he had something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
6 And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are they whose lawless acts are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”
9 Is this blessing only on the circumcised, or also on the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.
10 In what context was it credited? Was it after his circumcision, or before? It was not after, but before.
Since GOD Almighty is outside of time, He is able to see past, present, and future all at the same time.
As this is true according to His attribute of being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent, then how much of a persons sins did the Father place upon His Son, to be taken to the cross to be judged in His body upon the tree/ cross at calvary.
ALL, every one Past, Present and future.
Then sin really is not the problem, the problem is one of UNBELIEF, man is condemned because of UNBELIEF.
John 3 verses 14 - 21
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”
breaking rocks in the hot sun I fought the law and the law won?
Posted : 12 Dec, 2020 03:22 AM
Yes you need to not reject the words of Christ, you must be born again, but unless given to believe you cant..
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
2 Peter 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
