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To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 04:31 AM

Adam, Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life, are these achieved by obeying the law, or by FAITH in Yashua alone.

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ADAM7777

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To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 16 Nov, 2020 07:05 AM

Belief in satan alone is to do no righteousness,



and belief in Christ is to be ASHAMED OF THE EVIL YOU DID (OR STILL DO AS QUIZNOS/LITTLE) TO OTHERS WITHOUT EVER CEASING....



2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;



Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.



Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.





The man of sin ( satan) sinned from the beginning in his children of the flesh, 1 John 3:18, and is also the son of perdition ( antichrist against the Son of God)



When people serve sin (the man of sin/son of perdition) they are free from righteousness



Jesus destroys the works of the devil , as he that commits sin is of the devil, their master.



Jesus frees us from the devils service, to become servants to God, being made free from sin.



There is no fruit in sins, it is a shameful thing to bring forth if we have a conscience and brings forth death instead of the fruit of righteousness.



To be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ being filled with the fruits of righteousness, by Jesus Christ



1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.



Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.







"Quiznos Adam, where did you pull this from, your back pocket.



You continue to teach PERFECTIONISM which cannot be found in the Scriptures."





You cant serve two masters, continue to show that in your book ?



Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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ADAM7777

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To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 16 Nov, 2020 07:20 AM

" i said Yashua is the measurement by which each person is to be judged and everyone falls short, even you and adam."





ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD..



Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;





FEAR, AFTER THE PROMISE BEING LEFT TO ENTER INTO HIS REST AND GLORY, ANY OF YOU SHOULD COME SHORT OF IT



CHRIST SUFFERED AND ENTERED INTO HIS GLORY/REST



THE WORD PREACHED PROFITS NOT WHEN NOT MIXED WITH FAITH



WE WHO BELIEVE ENTER INTO REST, TO ENTER INTO HIS REST..



Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?



Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.





THERE IS A REST AND GLORY TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD



HE THAT ENTERS INTO HIS REST, HAS CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, AS GOD DID FORM HIS ( THE WORKS FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD)



LABOUR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST, OR FAIL AFTER THE SAME EXAMPLE OF UNBELIEF OF ISRAEL...



Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.







"A person is not saved by obeying the law, the law cannot save anyone that is the reason for the cross and resurrection.



That is why we have John 3: 15- 21



Ephesians 2 verses 5 -10.



And the JUST shall live by FAITH, not by the keeping of the law."



QUIZNOS YOU MISSED THE IMPORTANT PART LEADING INTO JOHN 3:15, IT IS JOHN 3:14 SHOWING HOW THE SON OF MAN MUST BE LIFTED UP THE SAME AS MOSES LIFTED UP THE SERPENT IN THE WILDERNESS



THIS ENABLES MAN TO BELIEVE IN THE MESSIAH, TO BE BURIED WITH CHRIST IN BAPTISM, TO ALSO BE RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, TO PUT OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH BY THE CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST(HIS RAISING AND QUICKENING TOGETHER WITH HIM FROM THE DEAD TO BE FORGIVEN OF ALL SINS WHICH ARE GONE BURIED)..



John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;



Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:



Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



Now Ephesians 2, goes better together with Colossians 2, that who God ordains unto good works created in Christ Jesus, first believes in Christ being risen and believes in also being buried with Him in baptism for the body of tghe sins of the flesh, to be circumcised in the heart to those good works loving others....





Then we understand all together now, how the just lives by faith, but if they are drawing back into unbelief of an evil hardened heart of sinning, without working good through the circumcision of the heart by Christ, they don't believe a man is justified by works, and not faith only, do they :)



Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.



James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.







"Am going to rest,"



Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

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To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 16 Nov, 2020 12:28 PM

Galatians 3:22,24

Nasb



But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.





Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.





Read



Galatians 3 ......whole chapter



Faith Brings Righteousness

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ADAM7777

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Posted : 17 Nov, 2020 02:59 AM

to be justified by faith, or to remain unjust and be unjustified?



Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.



Not only we need works to be justified as testified in James, Jesus also told us how when we are unjust in the least, we are also unjust in much, guilty of all as told in James also..



James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.



Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.





Last testimony, Revelation, the unjust stay unjust, the filthy (unjust) remain unjustified and filthy, the righteous remain righteous, and the Holy, holy..





Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2020 10:53 PM

Quiz, I never twisted what you said because you stated Yah'shua is 'to measure everyone by' as you correctly stated before or your saying now He 'is the measurement by which each person is to be judged' and that is correct. Then I also stated David is correct to say that the TORAH LAW is His 100% standard of government and righteousness of the saints! You Quiz did not say that part like David did but you implied it! How is that? Because you stated Yah'shua IS how 'to measure everyone by' and SOOOOO what did he do by example?



Obviously He kept the TORAH LAW perfectly that we did not do at FIRST, is that correct? Yet like I said you failed to understand that!



You see Quiz the TORAH LAW ONLY identifies what sin is, as it is only an instruction manual for Righteous living for His saints. Yah'shua was the ONLY one that kept the Law perfectly and this is why His replacement sacrifice for sinners is acceptable to the Father because he requires a perfection replacement for sinners. Does that make sense to you?



Soooo the Fathers TORAH LAW is His 100% standard of government and righteousness as David correctly said (but even David does not understand it all yet) and Yah'shua the Messiah SET that perfect 100% standard of government in His life and LIVED it in righteousness as an example to us today! You see what He did first in dying for sinners that could not keep the Law at first, then by example shows how for us to keep it >>>after<<< we are born again! There is initial salvation by FAITH on our part of repentance of our PAST sins and then there is continual salvation by our continual FAITH on a daily basis. Got it now? Yes we can chose to 'fall short' as you say Quiz, if we refuse to not listen to YHWH's set apart Holy Spirit but then why would born again REAL Christians do so? That makes no sense to go back to sin as you claim you do!?



So did I 'unravel' all of that for you now Quiz?



The Messiah went to the pole/tree for sinners while they were yet sinners but when you become born again you do not continue to hang Him back on that pole/tree so you can continue to sin like a cathoholic 'church' teaches! Right? Are you a catholic Quiz?









Hugs states: Everyone that CHOOSES to fall short of obeying that TORAH LAW by FAITH and NOT tapping into His POWER (Grace) to be saved, is not keeping the law and continues to sin! They are lost!



Quiznos states: No matter how you change the wording, you still proclaim PERFECTIONISM of which you fall short of, thus by your own words you HUGS are lost.



Quiz how is it I supposedly 'changed the wording' of what the Bible says is true Righteousness by FAITH, which is the saints keeping the Torah Law perfectly thru POWER above because they follow the PERFECT example of Yah'shua the Messiah (by that same POWER from above Him) that SET that perfect 100% standard of government in His life and LIVED it in righteousness!



The Bible teaches PERFECTIONISM Quiz and you either claim it by FAITH (and POWER above) or you don't and therefore you 'fall short' as you claim of NOT living Righteously by your lack of FAITH! You see?



I'm CLAIMING the promises of the Bible of living by FAITH and POWER from above for PERFECTIONISM, not of myself but your CLAIMING your self made promises of living un-righteously by your own kind of faith in sin, which comes from below!



You are the one that is lost then in your own words! You have hung yourself on your own pole/tree and made your own sacrifice to yourself and guess what, you will pay the price for your own death because you continue to sin!

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