Author	Thread: KJV, NIV, ETC
Admin	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 18 Jul, 2009 10:04 AM People I have a question for you. How come so many christians and churhces are turning from the KJV to "easier to understand" Bibles? Does the Bile not say that thou shalt not change one jot or one tittle of God's word? Yes the KJV most likely consists of several human errs but it is the closest thing to the origional we have. How can we call ourselves christians while disobeying Him for the mere sake of having his word presented "easier" People If you don't understand His word its not because its hard to read its bcause your not asking him to help you understand! Its something that has been bugging me and I would love to hear feedback on this. Post Reply
View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 24 Jul, 2009 10:26 AM This topic reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend a couple of years ago. When he asked me what version of the Bible I was reading. At that time i didnt know there was any real difference between them. He then took me to a website (chick.com). He clicked on the section that said Bible Versions. He asked me to take the quiz answering the questions using the NIV Bible. The quiz consisted of verses that was not in the NIV Bible. He then gave me the KJV Bible and told me to take the same quiz. I was amazed that whole verses would be missing from the NIV Bible. It really got me thinking about what other differences there is between the different Bible versions there is. Post Reply
View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 25 Jul, 2009 03:00 AM Here's an example for you guys: (KJV) Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (NIV) Isaiah 14:12 - How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! As you can see, "O Lucifer" is replaced by "O morning star", which, if we cross reference: (NIV) Revelation 22:16 - "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." According to the NIV, Satan and Jesus are the same. This is precisely why I threw out my NIV. Post Reply
noothergods32 View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 25 Jul, 2009 10:33 AM Is this the Veith you are refering to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Veith here is a short post I made about the Textus Receptus in another forum. o my understanding, and I can't give sources off the top of my head, there are four different text groups which manuscripts and fragments are sorted into. These are Byzantine Syriac Western and I believe that last one is the Coptic group These are divided according to where the texts were found. There are 5000 some manuscripts (which I believe refers to a text containing at least a chapter of scripture) and another 20,000 some fragments (which contain a verse or passage). The problem most scholars have with the Textus Receptus is that it uses only the Byzantine text group (which I believe contains about 30-40% of manuscripts and fragments, could be wrong about that though) and ignores the rest. The two other problems are that it was compiled in a hurry, its author Origen was in competition with another author to produce the text, and that its author was, in some of his beliefs, close to heresy. Another problem with it is that it is old, we have found a large number of manuscripts and fragments that Origen simply didn't have access too. All of this together leads many modern scholars to discount the Majority Text as fully authoritative, though still very useful for comparison in textual criticism. Many modern scholars use either the Wescott and Hort text or the Nestle Aland text because they have access to a great many more sources then what are present in the Textus Receptus. Post Reply
View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 25 Jul, 2009 01:55 PM I see what you're saying, but I don't doubt God's Word. I trust in how the KJV was handed down, because I believe it was of God. I have done much research on conspiracy and the confusion with all the Bible versions. I don't need anything else to convince me otherwise. Yes, that is the Walter Veith. In Google Video I recommend to search "Battle of the Bibles", it's very well researched. While I don't agree with Veith's theology, his information is very good. Westcott and Hort were Mary worshipers. Post Reply
BibleGent View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 27 Jul, 2009 02:29 AM noothergods32 If your statement "there is no such thing as a perfect translation" is true than I have a few questions. 1. God promised to preserve His Word. So why would God make that promise and only leave us with a multitude of imperfect translations? 2. If there is no perfect translation, then how can we trust any translation? If the Bible has one error, it can't be of God, because God didn't write a flawed book. 3. Who is left then to tell us what is right and what is wrong with the translation? Sinful men? Our authority must rest in something we cannot corrupt. That's why the Bible was given to us by God, and lifted higher than even the name of Jesus. Post Reply
drethe View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 12 Aug, 2009 10:37 PM I agree, accept for the errors (look at Ecclesiates 3:14). People are just believing a lie from satan.I think it is very funny that people like to act smarter than they really are.If you call them stupid, they would be offended.But when it comes to the KJV, they are self-proclaimed idiots.They will gladly tell you how dumb they are. I am from the south, when I was first saved my grammer was horrible.I have never been a great student in my english classes. But I have never had a problem understanding the KJV. People have NO backbone these days.They are scared to death to stand on the purity of God's Word and use a bible like the KJV.They are afraid of losing friends. They are afriad of being called uneducated.This is also the lie that satan has spread.That newer versions and believing there are mistakes is what the educated have figured out.This is the first method satan used on Eve: "it will make you wise". Just show people, this is what all the smart people believe, and christians will jump on like you were giving away money. It comes down to this, do you believe God or not. Is His Word preserved by Him (Pslam 12:6-8) or man. If someone found a manuscript that was signed by Moses, that said the crossing of the Red Sea was a lie, would you believe it? I wouldn't. So, I do not care what man digs up or finds. I believe God's Word is pure because HE said it is. Post Reply
BibleGent View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 16 Aug, 2009 02:27 PM Agreed. People that don't stand for something will fall for anything. Great post! Post Reply
View Profile History	KJV, NIV, ETC Posted : 30 Aug, 2009 11:02 AM lonewolf Great post! Do not let the enemy discourage you. your sister in Christ, Deborah Post Reply

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