And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 11:41 AM
Christ did well on the Sabbath days. Not breaking the Sabbath or the law, He is the Lord of the Sabbath, He is the law of God, He is God, this is the law of Christ.
Pharisees are the example of teachers of the law, prophetic quiznos littledavid moonlight are the example here in this forum.
They have in common, teaching the law, to obey God and commit sins and pray to God for forgiveness of sins as Solomon taught and prayed.
They however, especially seen in prophetic, omit the love and faith, the judgement and mercy of the Lord...
Matthew 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
prophetic thinks because he can act ignorantly, and do as he pleases without any morals or manners, he can say what he likes and it not be found out.
here is the description of the law, that reveals prophetic and all who think like him, being pharisees in the law of sin, cannot deny or hide ever again from
we cannot ever be justified in the law of Moses.
we need to do b y nature the things contained in the law.( the nature of Christ that is )
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans 2:14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
again, nobody could ever be justified by the deeds of the law, because the law shows them as sinners....
but then came the righteousness of God withoutn the law of Moses which is sin and death, and now it is the law of faith...
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
sin ceases to have dominion over us as it does for those who teach and are of the law, they still are dominated by sin and death. they are not believers in grace, it does nothing for them ?
Romans 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
being in the flesh is being in the law, sins by the law as told, and prophetic and friends bring forth fruit unto death through their lack of faith in Christ.
they cannot be delivered from the law, as they continue to serve in oldness of the letter in sins and consequent death of their law...
Romans 7:5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Romans 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
they are carnal sold under sin in their law of Moses.
the law is good but they are not good or doing good, only evil.
the law of sin (moses and first covenant) is in their members which brings them into captivity of sin and death..
Romans 7:14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Romans 7:23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
they are never freed from the law of sin and death (that law of Moses for transgressors) as the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled in them, as they walk after the flesh( the law) and not after the Spirit( Christ)
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
they are not subject to the law of God ( the law is good when written in the spiritual non carnal heart) they never can be without transgressing the law of Moses which they teach and follow..
Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY SEEK NOT BY FAITH, THEY STUMBLE AT CHRIST, THJEY DO TRANSGRESSING WORKMS OF THE LAW, SIN AND DEATH
FOR CHRIST IS THE FINALISING OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUSNESS IN SIN..
Romans 9:32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
THEY CANNOT COMPREHEND, SIN IS THEIR DEATH, AND THE STRENGTH THEY GIVE TO SIN IS THE LAW OF MOSES THEY FOLLOW AND TRANSGRESS..
1 Corinthians 15:56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
MAN CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED IN THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH, IT IS THE FAITH OF CHRIST THAT IS JUST, AS HE IS JUST TO NOW BELIEVE IN...
Galatians 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
FOOLOSH PROPHETIC AND LITTLEDAVID ETC, DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, THEY OBEY THEIR LAW WHIUCH THEY TRANSGRESS, BUT THATS NOT THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THEIR IMPERFECT WAY OF THE FLESH WHICH IS THE LAW OF SIN AND THEIR DEATH...
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
THEY CLEARLY DO THE SAME WORKS OF THE LAW, AS THEY DO WHAT IS CURSED, TO SIN AND DIE, WHAT DIFFERENT BELIEF AND ACTION ?
Galatians 3:10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
IF THEY WERE JUST THEY WOULD WALK BY FAITH.
CANNOT BE REDEEMED FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, BY STILL DOING THE SAME CURSE, OF FLESH, CARNAL, SIN, AND DEATH
Galatians 3:1But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
THE LAW EXPOSES TRANSGRESSORS, UNTIL CHRIST COMES TO CONVERT THE TRANSGRESSORS..
Galatians 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
NOBODY CASN BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW, AS EVERYBODY BREAKS IT, AS TESTIFIED IN ROMANS THERE IS NONE THAT DOES GOOD.
NOW THE LOVE OF GOD IS SHED INTO OUR HEARTS TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR AS OURSELVES WHICH FINALLY FULFILLS THE LAW MAKING IKT SPIRITUAL IN US NOT CARNAL AND OF THE LETTER AS THE TRANSGRESSORS WHO DENY THEY TEACH LAW? THEY CONFESS IT BY INSISTING TO BE SINNERS AS SEEN IN EVERYBODY OF THE LAW......
Galatians 5:4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
THEY DO NOT KEEP THE LAW, THEY ARE PROUD TO SAY THEY ARE SINNERES/TRANSGRESSORS, BUT THEY ARE OF THE LAW AND TEACH IT WHEN THEY ARE REVEALED AS TRANSGRESSORS OF THE LAW...
Galatians 6:13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
THEY ARE INDEED TEACXHERS OF THE LAW, BUT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTFAND WHAT THEY SPEAK.
THE LAW IS GOOD IF THEY WERE LAWFUL, BUT THEY CANNOT BE UNDER A CURSE OF SIN AND DEATH
THE LAW IS STILL FOR THEM, THEY ARE LAWLESS AND DISOBEDIENT AND UNGODLY SINNERS, THEY ARE UNHOLY AND PROFANE, MURDERERS FROM THEIR OWN PROUD CONFESSIONS..
1 Timothy 1:7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1 Timothy 1:8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1 Timothy 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
THEIR WAYS AND THE LAW THEY STILL FOLLOW, THEY FOLLOOW THE SAME AS THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, MAKES NOTHING PERFECT. THEY EVEN DETEST THAT IDEA NEVER MIND EMBRACE IT. THE BEGTTER HOPE IN CHRIST IS PERFECT, IT CANT BE THE SAME AS THE CURSED LAW NOW, CAN IT, OF SIN AND DEATH ???????
Hebrews 7:19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
SO THAT LEADS US TO UNDERSTAND A NEW COVENANT WAS MADE BY THE LORD, NOW HE WRITES THEM IN THE HEART AND THE MIND SO THEY CHANGE, NO LONGER SINNERS AND TRASNSGRESSORS SERVING THE DEVIL AND A CURSE...
Hebrews 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
BUT THEY WILL STILL COMMIT SIN, AND THEY ARE PROVEN ABSOLUTELY, LOOK AT THE WORDS, THEY ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW THEY FOLLOW, TO BE TRANSGRESSORS......
James 2:9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
THEIR LAW OF MOSES THEY FOLLOW DOES NOT JUSTIFY THESE MANY SO CALLED CHRISTIANS, THEY OFFEND AND ARE GUILTY.
COMMITING OPENLY, ADULTERY AND TRANSGRESSING...
THEY COMMIT SIN AND TRANSGRESS THE LAW, NOT THE LAW OF CHRIST, AS THAT IS COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT HOLY WAY, THEY TRANSGRESS THE LAW OF THE FIRST COVENANT OF THE CURSE OF SIN AND DEATH THEY SO PROUDLY ADHERE TO..
James 2:10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 12 Aug, 2020 05:23 AM
Littlest David: Quiznos never refuted over 4 of his quotes claiming he believes in **SINLESS PERFECTION** and you are the big **LIAR**
QUIZNOS AND ADAM7777 BELIEVE IN THE SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION AFTER SAVATION???
QUIZNOS QUOTE:
"IF WE SIN ON PURPOSE AFTER WE RECEIVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THERE IS **NO MORE** FORGIVENESS FOR OUR SINS NO MORE SACRIFICING OF CHRIST FOR US???"
AND LITTLEST DAVID DEFENDS THEIR RIDICULOUS SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION**!!**!!
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach **US** to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"
James 5:16: **CONFESS YOUR SINS** to each other and pray for each other!!
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and **REPENT**!!" {**OF YOUR SINS**!!}
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** HE ACCEPTS AS A SON**!!! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father {FOR THEIR SINS**}? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--**THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITIMATE**, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us{FOR OUR SINS!} and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
Galatians 6:1: Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you may also be tempted. Carry each others burdens, and in this way you fulfill the law of Christ!!
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 12 Aug, 2020 05:32 AM
There is one law giver, it is the Lord God, Jesus Christ who made all the world, so how can the law nor be Christ, when all things are Him ?
As Teddy said, the WORD , every word, and then we also understand grace and truth comes through the Son of God, and not the same covenant of sin and death, that one is finished, all who follow it follow nothing but their own imagination.
Isaiah 33:22 For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
To teach to commit sin is the same as the first covenant, to pray for your sins, and never forsake them, where is a persons walk of justification ? Why does Christs way never be perfect for you ?
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 12 Aug, 2020 11:58 AM
Littlest David: Quiznos never refuted over 4 of his quotes claiming he believes in **SINLESS PERFECTION** and you are the big **LIAR**
QUIZNOS AND ADAM7777 BELIEVE IN THE SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION AFTER SAVATION???
QUIZNOS QUOTE:
"IF WE SIN ON PURPOSE AFTER WE RECEIVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THERE IS **NO MORE** FORGIVENESS FOR OUR SINS NO MORE SACRIFICING OF CHRIST FOR US???"
AND LITTLEST DAVID DEFENDS QUIZNOS' RIDICULOUS SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION**!!**!!
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach **US** to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"
James 5:16: **CONFESS YOUR SINS** to each other and pray for each other!!
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and **REPENT**!!" {**OF YOUR SINS**!!}
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** HE ACCEPTS AS A SON**!!! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father {FOR THEIR SINS**}? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--**THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITIMATE**, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us{FOR OUR SINS!} and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
Galatians 6:1: Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you may also be tempted. Carry each others burdens, and in this way you fulfill the law of Christ!!
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 12 Aug, 2020 05:26 PM
Prophetic, I would sure love to see Quiznos’ other 4 arguments that you claim are “for perfectionism”
Somehow, based on your own misunderstanding of the single quote of Quiznos you keep posting AND your lying about me supporting perfectionism as I refute it—I think your just a confused lonely individual trying to get any kind of attention you can even if it’s negative
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 13 Aug, 2020 12:42 AM
DARKNESS CANNOT COMPREHEND GOD WHO IS LIGHT
THE SON OF GOD DECLARED THE FATHER TO THIS DARKNESS WORLD OF MAN...
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and THE DARKNESS COMPRE4HENDED IT NOT.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED HIM.
THIS IS THE MESSAGE DECLARED TO THE DARKNESS OF MEN..
GOD IS LIGHT AND TYOU CANNOT FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM IN ANY OF YOUR DARKNESS..
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him,AND DECLARE UNTO YOU , that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and WALK IN DARKNESS, WE LIE,, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
ITS REPENTING OF ALL DARKNESS THEN CLEANSED OF ALL DARKNESS/UNRIGHTEOUSNESS BY JESUS CHRIST
CONTINUES, WE FORSAKE THE SINS TO HAVE MERCY..
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso CONFESSTH AND FORSAKETH them shall have mercy.
AS THE MERCY WE SHOW REJOICES OVER GODS JUDGEMENT..
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
THE CHASRITY CHRIST GIVES INTO US COVERS THE MULTITUDE OF SINS WHEN WE WALK IN PERFECT CHARITY...
1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
IT IS BLESSED TO HAVE OUR SINS COVERED ( FORSAKEN ALSO)
Romans 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
AS GOD SENT HIS SON TO BLESS US IN TURNING US AWAY FROM ALL INIQUITY..
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
UNGODLINESS IS TURNED AWAY FROM JACOB, THIS IS THE CIVENANT HE MAKES WITH US WHEN GOD TAKES AWAY OUR SINS (AS PER 1 JOHN 1 CLEANSES US OF ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)...
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
AS CHRIST GAVE HIMSELF FOR US TO FREDEEM US FROM ALL INIQUITY...
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
ALSO CHRIST HAS ALRTEADY DECLARED, ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY ARE TO DEPART FROM HIM WHO CALL HIM LORD LORD..
Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 13 Aug, 2020 01:53 AM
Adam,
Once again you reveal how you understand or do not understand how to read, and study the Scriptures.
You do as most people, you think of a subject, then you find as many scripture to fit into your subject, yet you never give the entire context that refutes your understanding.
John writes, 1 John 1 verse 5 - 10
5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Verse 9, to cleanse, this is in the PRESENT indicative ACTIVE tense, meaning GOD Almighty is always cleansing us, as we are not completely SINLESS in this life.
