Did post this then - "All >>>have<<< sinned and fell short of the Glory of God."
And sin is described in a past tense! Correct?
So by the POWER of YHWH we can live a sin free life! Deny that power and go back to sin and DIE!
Hugs, you had better read multiple times Romans 3 verses 21 - 26
21 But now apart from Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, being borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets.
22 And the righteousness of God is through faith from Jesus Christ toward all those believing. For there is no distinction,
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation through faith in His blood, for a showing forth of His righteousness, because of the forbearance of the sins having taken place beforehand,
26 in the forbearance of God, for the showing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for Him to be just, and justifying the one of the faith of Jesus.
prophetic/david/quiznos/moon, all beievers in the first covenant, of sin and death ?
read and see, all the world in the first covenant is under sin....
not one did good, none have any understanding or fear of God..
Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
so all have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory....
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
NOW we are called by Christ to the obtaining of His glory, so He forgives us for our sins that are PAST..
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
PREDESTINED TO BE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THE SON OF GOD...
TO BE CALLED, JUSTIFIED, AND GLORIFIED...
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
NOW QUESTION FOR ANYONE BRAVE ENOUGH TO ANSWER, HOW ARE YOU UNDER A NEW COVENANT WHEN YOU DO THE FIRST COVENANT WAYS OF SINNING, PRAYING FOR FORGIVENESS, AND NEVER STOPPING TO COMMIT SINS/EVIL DEEDS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOUR WHEN WE ARE CALLED TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR AS OURSELVES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST GIVEN US TO DO AS HE DID/CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE ?
YOU THINK YOU CAN FOOL ANYONE THAT YOU ARE UNDER A NEW COVENANT WHEN YOU DO EXACTLY AS THE FIRST DEAD COVENANT ?
So basically since your conversion, you haven’t told one lie, had one lustful thought, uttered one curse word, taken the Lord’s Name in vain, taken a longer break at work than you are supposed to (this is stealing), thought about harming someone, desired to have the exact thing your neighbor has, treated the Sabbath day improperly, or disrespected authorities or your parents? Seriously?
So basically since your conversion, you haven’t told one lie, had one lustful thought, uttered one curse word, taken the Lord’s Name in vain, taken a longer break at work than you are supposed to (this is stealing), thought about harming someone, desired to have the exact thing your neighbor has, treated the Sabbath day improperly, or disrespected authorities or your parents? Seriously?
You promote SINLESS PERFECTIONISM, as your post says.
You are a hypocrite for posting Romans 3 verse 23
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
NOW we are called by Christ to the obtaining of His glory, so He forgives us for our sins that are PAST..
First ALL have sinned,What does all mean, ALL means ALL of man from the beginning of creation, until GOD Almighty destroys this life.
Every man, woman, and child, every nationality SINS, everyday of every hour man sins, in their thoughts, words, and actions,you are included Adam.
Next you say: NOW we are called by Christ to the obtaining of His glory.
Adam, show everyone the Scripture you have twisted to come up with this nonsense.
Man can never obtain the Glory of GOD Almighty,GOD'S glory is because of who He is, and what He does, man can never OBTAIN the glory of GOD Almighty.
Next; so He forgives us for our sins that are PAST.
Adam, the forgiveness of GOD Almighty extends throughout a person life, that is their past, present and future sins.
Isaiah 53 (The entire scripture )
1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the spoil with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.
Adam, if only your past sins have been forgiven, than what type of sacrifice will you offer for your present and future sins, which of course are always present tense.
You cannot use Messiah again, as He went to the cross ONCE for the forgiveness of sin, maybe a cow, lamb, ram, bullock, turtledove, pigeon, I know a Get my sins forgiven free card whenever you pass GO.
Adam your beliefs are ridiculous, Repent believe the Gospel.
Two bible translations before the kjv, the bishops and Geneva versions, add the word "are" to make the correct sense of the rest of the verse.
Bishops: and are destitute of the glory of God
Geneva: and are deprived of the glory of God
the phrase in the kjv with the word "have" makes the reader think that "have" goes with the last part of the verse. "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." The idea is that, yes, all sinned, but also, all continue to fall short and are continually lacking of God's glory. I don't know what the kjv translators intended here. But it is the present tense, we continually fall short of God's glory.
That is all you little boys got for proof in the Bible (you claim) of the LIVE in your lives daily of never ending sinning and therefore continual unrighteousness??? Does the ROBOTICS take place at His 2nd coming? LOL!
From my 1599 Geneva Bible - Romans 3:23 "21. But now is the righteousness of God made manifest without the Law, having witness of the Law, and of the Prophets, 22. To wit, the righteousness of God by the faith of [z]Jesus Christ, unto all, and upon all that believe. 23. For there is no difference: >>>for all have sinned,<<< and >are deprived< of the [aa]glory of God, Note friends how so called "AboundingGrace" claims no POWER (which is also Grace) to NOT twist what the KJV says to that of his coveted "bishops and Geneva versions" THAT SAY THE SAME THING, yet claims (by opinion) two words changes everything - "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Then so called "AboundingGrace" adds his opinion that makes no sense - "the phrase in the kjv with the word "have" makes the reader think that "have" goes with the last part of the verse. "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Who are YOU to tell us what we think when we read that verse, so called "AboundingGrace"??? And what about "that last part of the verse" you claim changes everything (???) and contradicts the REST (there's your "rest" time Quizzy!) of the Bible, of the POWER of YHWH to KEEP KEEP KEEP you from sinning???
So called "AboundingGrace" once again attempts to pollute the Scriptures when he says - ">>>all continue<<< to fall short and are continually lacking of God's glory. I don't know what the kjv translators intended here. But it is the present tense, >>>we continually fall short of God's glory.<<<
Why not use your common sense and reasoning so that you don't claim contradictions in the Bible with other verses listed at the end of my post below???
KJV - For all have (had-past) sinned (not currently sinning!), and come short (in past times) of the glory of YHWH.
GENEVA - For there is no difference: for all have (had-past) sinned (not currently sinning!), and are deprived (in times past) of the [aa]glory of YHWH,
So where is the difference again in those verses my false teaching friend? Nothing other than your HANG UP on the word "deprived" in your reasoning skills to that of the CONTEXT of the rest of the Bible on the TRUE Righteousness by FAITH verses! Correct? There is a huge difference in meaning between words like "continue" and "continually" to that of the word "deprived" my clueless friend, right? Anyone can look up those definitions with so much of the "AboundingGrace" that you have! LOL!
Good grief so MUCH "AboundingGrace", what kind of abounding grace (weak power) is that you have, from the devil of LIARS like pathetic7744??? Change your name then to "I wish by FAITH I had the abounding POWER of YHWH to tell the truth" There I fixed it for you! Now repent and >>>be<<< (present tense) saved again! At least I hope you have (note the correct past tense here) been (past tense) saved once (in the past) upon a time in your life from your PAST sins anyway?
Here let me help you with your new JW bible translation, when you get it published anyway - cultized romans 3:23 - "For all will "continue" to sin, they just cannot help themselves but to "continually" sin, and THEREFORE they will always come short (but somehow they are righteous anyway living in sin?) of the glory of (powerless?) YHWH. There did I fix it for you false teacher?
1 John 4:4 "Ye are (present tense) of YHWH, little children, and have (present tense) >>>overcome them:<<< (and those sins of past) because greater (not lesser as you claim in your ever "AboundingGrace"/POWER) is >>>He (YHWH's set apart Holy Spirit) that is >>>in you<<< (oh really friends CAN it be the Spirit can get victory over our sins THRU and in us?), than he (satan the accuser, much like others on this forum that work for him) that (presently) is in the (this) world.
BUT BUT BUT John LIED to us you say!? Because you all love your pet sins, that why you THINK he lied! Well lets look at another "liar" that you will claim without saying it directly and call HIM out like all the Scripture that ADAM7777 CONTEXTUALLY gives! Who is that you say?
Matthew 5:48 Yah'shua says - Be (present tense) >>>ye therefore perfect<<< (present and future tense), even as your Father which is in heaven is (always been, we HAD been (all past tense) not perfect THEN) perfect.
BUT BUT BUT no my LOVING Messiah, I don't want to call you a liar but but but pathetic7744, David and others on the forum say we will always sin! So please change your words to "Try to be perfect but I know you cannot by my Fathers set apart powerless Spirit that I had when I walked the earth as an example to you and I promise to change you into a robot one day so that you don't choose to sin anymore, ok? In fact I'm going to change everybody into a ROBOT (like Richard7744 teaches "predestination" as you are forced to be what you are!) rather they like it or not, so they cannot sin and so everyone will have eternal life, you see? Selah!
And there are a TON more verses that teach REAL life Righteousness by the Faith! And WHERE does that POWER come from?
The Righteousness of YHWH by the faith of Yah'shua , said in previous verse 22, MUCH "Abounding (of not much) Grace" left out in the Geneva Bible I listed above for the Pharisee "blind guides" here on this forum!
