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Repost: Messiah proclaims His Deity John 17 verses 1-6
Posted : 24 Apr, 2020 06:14 PM

The last post was to be John 17, i must have wiped out the 7, little keys to type with big fingers.

In the John 17 text, the English does not bring forth what Messiah says about Himself.

To see what Messiah is saying we need to look into the Greek manuscripts.

Some amazing revelation awaits those that are students of Messiah.

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Posted : 25 Apr, 2020 05:44 AM

Unfortunately **TEDDY HUGGER** Has hugged way to many bears and believes many fairy tales such as the **FLAT EARTH** fairy Tale, the **SINLESS PERFECTION** fairy tale and the fairy tale that Jesus and His Father are just one God and that Jesus is also the **EVERLASTING FATHER**??



**IS JESUS CHRIST CO-EQUAL WITH GOD THE FATHER**??



Teddyhugger believes that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Father are one and the same Being?? It is true that some people called Jesus the Everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 for Jesus said the Father and I are One and if you have seen Me you have seen the Father since they are both God and believe exactly the same.



The Roman Catholic Church was the first denomination to state that God the father and His Son Jesus are completely **CO-EQUAL** in AD 325.



Question: Is Jesus who is God **CO-EQUAL** with God the Father?



**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??



John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I**!"



John 10:27-30: Jesus says, "My sheep listen to My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of My hand. **MY FATHER, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME** is **GREATER THAN ALL**!"



John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"



John 17:17: Jesus says to His Father, "Sanctify them by the truth **YOUR WORD** is Truth!!"



Deuteronomy 18:17-20: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them everything I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name!"



John 14:23-24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and **WE** will come to them and make **OUR HOME** with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; **THEY BELONG TO THE FATHER WHO SENT ME**!"



Revelation 1:1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which **GOD GAVE HIM**!



Jesus is the **HEAD** of God's Kingdom in the NT era until His 2nd Coming and **THEN** He will hand over the **ETERNAL** Kingdom to God the Father!



I Corinthians 15:23-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the Firstfruits, then, when He comes, those who belong to Him. **THEN** He will hand over the {**ETERNAL**}Kingdom to God the Father!



There are 7 passages in the New Testament which state that we should **ONLY PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER**!! **SUCH AS**:



Matthew 6:6-10: Jesus says, "When you pray, go into your room, close the door and **PRAY TO YOUR FATHER**, who is unseen. Then **YOUR FATHER**, who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them for your **FATHER KNOWS** what you need before you ask Him! This then, is how you should pray: 'Our **FATHER** in heaven hallowed be your name, **YOUR {**ETERNAL**}KINGDOM** come, **YOUR WILL** be done, on earth as it is in heaven!'"



Luke 11:4: Jesus says, "When you pray say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be Your Name, your {*ETERNAL*} Kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. "**FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we forgive everyone who sins against us!'"



Revelation 1:1: The Revelation from Jesus Christ, which **GOD {The *FATHER*} GAVE HIM**!



John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I!

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Posted : 25 Apr, 2020 09:00 AM

Its unfortunate that pathetic7744 the false teacher tries to distract with other subjects like where the Bible describes the earth as non moving (no spin) and only the sun, moon and stars move! The earth is NEVER described as a ball even in the Bible and Richard has lost that discussion long ago but he is STILL throwing his tantrums like any manchild would do I suppose. Richard the wanna be Bible study guy just cannot prove a ball earth and he is speechless to proving it is a ball and that is what is hilarious because pathetic7744 prides himself on copy and paste of much Scripture but has NONE that says the earth is a ball. let alone a spinning one!



Richard ALSO does not believe in true RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH, for Richard has "pet" sins he loves, breaks commandments and accuses the Messiah of breaking them so REALLY pathetic7744 can continue to do so! Richard has a toothless "god" that he claims to serve, that cannot deliver pathetic7744 from his sins! Another words pathetic7744 claims he has a license to keep on sinning!!!??? His **SINMORE PERFECTION** fairy tale!



Finally back to the subject of distracting pathetic7744 claiming that his "Jesus is" NOT "also the **EVERLASTING FATHER**??



Well I guess pathetic7744 is calling Isaiah a LIAR then in 9:6 of the Bible then!



Isaiah 9:6 NIV - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, >>>Everlasting Father,<<< >>>Prince of Peace."<<<



Well there you have it friends! Richard the pathetic7744 false teacher just got exposed!



In his next post you will see him "attempt" to imply that just because the Messiah was in the flesh at the time in all the Bible verses that pathetic7744 the false teacher posts, that He was not equal and or one and the same as His Father! You see pathetic7744 will just say there were "some people (that) called Jesus the Everlasting Father" when ALL PEOPLE that believe ALL of the Bible know the truth and Richard LIES and says "some people" do because he wants you to believe that others believe his SAME LIES!



Now this is hilarious in exposing pathetic7744 very own words NOT from the Bible! For he states -



quote "Teddyhug believes that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Father are one and the same Being??" end quote.



The BIBLE says "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" IS THE >>>Mighty God,<<< AND the >>>Everlasting Father<<< according to Isaiah 9:6 but pathetic7744 says Isaiah is WRONG! Its real simple! The Messiah before becoming Messiah WAS the WORD of the Father, THE Everlasting Father AND Mighty God Himself, the Father's set apart WORD which became flesh eventually and IS

today in heaven!



Richard the pathetic7744 false teacher hates Isaiah 9:6 and John chapter 1 of the Bible because it destroys his two deities (he only mentions two) interpretation from the beginning of Creation in Genesis! It should be noted that pathetic7744 also FAILS to realize that the Father moves about by His set apart Holy Spirit in the CREATION account in Genesis chapter 1 and is therefore EQUAL also because He IS A SPIRIT that the Father is! Richard will have to answer to the Father come judgment day for why he falsely taught that just because he was in the flesh the Messiah was NOT equal, or the same as the Father from the beginning stated by John in chapter 1 of the precious truthful Bible!

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Posted : 25 Apr, 2020 09:54 AM

Unfortunately **TEDDY HUGGER** Has hugged way to many bears and believes many fairy tales such as the **FLAT EARTH** fairy Tale, the **SINLESS PERFECTION** fairy tale and the fairy tale that Jesus and His Father are just one God and that Jesus is also the **EVERLASTING FATHER**??



**IS JESUS CHRIST CO-EQUAL WITH GOD THE FATHER**??



Teddyhugger believes that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Father are one and the same Being?? It is true that some people called Jesus the Everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 for Jesus said the Father and I are One and if you have seen Me you have seen the Father since they are both God and believe exactly the same.



The Roman Catholic Church was the first denomination to state that God the father and His Son Jesus are completely **CO-EQUAL** in AD 325.



Question: Is Jesus who is God **CO-EQUAL** with God the Father?



**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??



John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I**!"



John 10:27-30: Jesus says, "My sheep listen to My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of My hand. **MY FATHER, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME** is **GREATER THAN ALL**!"



John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"



John 17:17: Jesus says to His Father, "Sanctify them by the truth **YOUR WORD** is Truth!!"



Deuteronomy 18:17-20: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them everything I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name!"



John 14:23-24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and **WE** will come to them and make **OUR HOME** with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; **THEY BELONG TO THE FATHER WHO SENT ME**!"



Revelation 1:1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which **GOD GAVE HIM**



Jesus is the **HEAD** of God's Kingdom in the NT era until His 2nd Coming and **THEN** He will hand over the **ETERNAL** Kingdom to God the Father!



I Corinthians 15:23-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the Firstfruits, then, when He comes, those who belong to Him. **THEN** He will hand over the {**ETERNAL**}Kingdom to God the Father!



There are 7 passages in the New Testament which state that we should **ONLY PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER**!! **SUCH AS**:



Matthew 6:6-10: Jesus says, "When you pray, go into your room, close the door and **PRAY TO YOUR FATHER**, who is unseen. Then **YOUR FATHER**, who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them for your **FATHER KNOWS** what you need before you ask Him! This then, is how you should pray: 'Our **FATHER** in heaven hallowed be your name, **YOUR {**ETERNAL**}KINGDOM** come, **YOUR WILL** be done, on earth as it is in heaven!'"



Luke 11:4: Jesus says, "When you pray say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be Your Name, your {*ETERNAL*} Kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. "**FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we forgive everyone who sins against us!'"



Revelation 1:1: The Revelation from Jesus Christ, which **GOD {The *FATHER*} GAVE HIM**!



John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I!

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Repost: Messiah proclaims His Deity John 17 verses 1-6
Posted : 25 Apr, 2020 12:15 PM

5 "Now, Father, glorify( Honor ) Me together( By the side of you) with Yourself, with the glory which I had( Possess ) with You before the world was( Existed ).

6 "I have manifested( Made plain in open sight ) Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept( Not changed ) Your word.



Verse 5

The Sons position is BESIDE the Father, as He is not a part of the Father( as some here believe ) that the Father has created, as He existed before anything had been created.

The Sons existence does not depend upon the Father, as the same Glory is attributed to both the Father and the Son.

Messiah asks the Father to Honor Him with the Glory that He possesses Along side the Father.

This Glory is the same Glory that the Father possesses.



We have the Father and the Son possessing the SAME Glory, But neither are dependent upon the other for their own Glory.



The Son had put His glory off, in order for man to be able to see and to talk with Him, without living in fear of having seen GOD.

If you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Messiah is not saying that He is the Father, but rather that all that the Father is in Himself, the Son also is in Himself.

The Son is the EXACT reflection or representation of the Father, in His character, attitude, personality and attributes.

Isaiah 6 verses 1 - 7

1 In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.

2 Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.

3 And one called out to another and said, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory."

4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke.

5 Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs. 7 He touched my mouth [with it] and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven."





Verse 6



Messiah has made clear and plain the Name of the Father, not just the name YHWH, but also His compound names as well.

Messiah accomplished in Himself, revealed in His relationship with those around Him.



Yehowah Nissi, Yehowah Rapha, Yehowah tsedek, Yehowah Shalom, El Shaddai, El Roeh, El Roi,and all of the rest of the names of GOD Almighty revealed in the Old Covenant.

Messiah also is the ONLY MEDIATOR between GOD and Man, as He MEDIATES both in Himself

Galatians 3 verses 19 - 2-

19 What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but God is one.

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Posted : 25 Apr, 2020 01:20 PM

Quiznos does not believe that Jesus is God and no answer to the following words of God showing that Jesus is God!!



**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??



**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??



John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"



Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!



Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}



Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!



John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"



**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!



Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!



Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"



Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!



Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"



**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**



Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!



Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!



Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!



Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!hew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!



There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."



John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!



NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!



Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!



Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!



Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!



John:1:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning, Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that was made, In Him was **LIFE**m and that **LIFE** was the **LIGGHT OF ALL MANKIND**!... No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!

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