Certain “Christian” teachers often distort biblical truth by turning Jesus into a pacifist teacher. But history doesn’t seem to bare this out. But who actually coined the term “pacifism” and who were it’s original architects? Certainly not Jesus, there’s no historical evidence leading to him and the term can’t be traced to Jesus. Nonetheless, some Christians, having subscribed to this pagan ideology in practice, often cite out of context bible verses to justify their claim that Jesus was indeed a “pacifist”. Yet Jesus’ teaching and actions clearly portray a different kind of peacemaking based on the Old Testament teaching of “love your neighbor as yourself”.
With that, here’s a very brief look at the pagan origins of modern pacifism (Not to be confused with pacificism).
A peace sign, which is widely associated with pacifism
Large outdoor gathering
World Day of Prayer for Peace in Assisi, 2011
Pacifism is opposition to war, militarism or violence. The word pacifism was coined by the French peace campaigner Émile Arnaud (1864–1921) and adopted by other peace activists at the tenth Universal Peace Congress in Glasgow in 1901.[1] A related term is ahimsa (to do no harm), which is a core philosophy in Indian Religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. While modern connotations are recent, having been explicated since the 19th century, ancient references abound.
In modern times, interest was revived by Leo Tolstoy in his late works, particularly in The Kingdom of God Is Within You. Mohandas Gandhi (1869–1948) propounded the practice of steadfast nonviolent opposition which he called "satyagraha", instrumental in its role in the Indian Independence Movement. Its effectiveness served as inspiration to Martin Luther King Jr., James Lawson, Mary and Charles Beard, James Bevel,[2] Thich Nhat Hanh[3] and many others in the civil rights movement.
Oooooh what a perfect Biblical common sense post from pathetic7744! We should probably post Richard's favorite "out of context" COMMON SENSE verses and so lets do so!
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." AND "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron"
Richard the "christian" dogma pacifists understands by his COMMON SENSE, by his seared with a hot iron conscience, by his seducing spirit and doctrine of satan that every "Oath" taking military person defending our FREEDOM loving country AND every "Oath" taking police officer are "professional killers" and therefore "Satanic" non Christians and WILL be thrown into the lake of fire come judgment day for doing so! Richard is CORRECT! THANKYOU POPE RICHARD!
YES Richard is correct that we should "obey all the Divine Commandments of the New Covenant" and other countries will see how much we love them by the "New Covenant" when we disarm ourselves and criminals will stop being "criminals" when police officers STOP carrying guns and arresting people stealing, raping and murdering! Father YaHuWaH in the Old Testament times made a terrible "SINFUL" mistake when He instructed His people to "KILL" (note I did not say murder!) their PAGAN enemies that were idol worshippers, queers etc etc and it was "WRONG" to do so as he should of instructed His people to give them smooches (kisses) and hugs like Richard wants to do with children!!! The Father in heaven WILL be judged one day for having people killed and the "Son" will have to cast His Father in the lake of fire that the "Son" will make one day! AMEN Richard! Say where do I sign up to take the "Oath enlistment" to become a "christian" dogma pacifists???
I'm convinced of the "NEW COVENANT" that Richard is telling us about! I'm signing up to take the "Oath enlistment" to become a "christian" dogma pacifists! I just went to the official website and found out the official diet of pacifists is FRUIT LOOPS!!! I'm headed to the store NOW to purchase mine! Will you all join me?
I mean the root of PAGAN pacifism is fallen men creating wrong worldviews absent of God. People also interpret what Jesus was teaching wrong as well as you say.
There are plenty of reasons to back up pacifism on views that aren't God centered. Maybe your Hindu and believe helping others will just give them pain in their next life. Maybe you are a Muslim and believe that God does not love infidels and so why act. As Christians though we are called to act.
Love gives rise to justice. Punishing criminals, defending others, and defending yourself is all connected to loving what is good.
Anyways prophetic7744 posting versus is always a good idea, but posting 20 versus all without context just dilutes your point. If one verse states a thing clearly then it can stand on its own, but the whole bible should be taken as a whole for these questions, not 20 versus that all mention love.
** THE GREAT BIBBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN PACIFISTS IN THE PAST 2,000 YEARS**
The Bible believing pacifists in the past 2,000 years have set a great example for all Christians throughout the past centuries. After Marin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic church the the German country broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and then there was a period of almost total war between the Roman Catholics in France and the Protestants in Germany for 100 years.
There were many good Christians in Germany that were Christians before the Protestants such as the Amish, Menonites, Brethren and Anabapists. They believed in the teachings of Jesus and were greatly persecuted by the Protestants in Germany and many were put in jail and killed because they refused to join the army and become professional killers.
And so these Bible believing Christians fled to Holland and waited for ships to take them to America where they could follow the commands of Jesus in peace. There have been many great Christian preachers in the past like D.L.Moody who founded the famous Moody Bible college and Charles Spurgeon. Moody was responsible for thousands of Northern Bapists not joining the evil Civil War and killing Southern Bapists.
Christian pacifists understand that every country will have armies and they do not assemble protests against their country's armies. Christian Bible believing pacifists do not interfere police actions which discipline and imprison evil unbelievers. Pacifists just choose to obey God's word and avoid signing a Satanic enlistment Oath and becoming professional killers. Instead they believe in sending missionaries to all the countries of the world which try to love and convert their enemies and teach them to obey all the Divine Commandments of the New Covenant!
Looks like Littlest David believes like Teddyhugger that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament changes listed below. It is interesting to note the LittlestDavid does not exegete or answer any of the Divine commandments listed below!!
**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!
In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."
Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"
Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"
Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"
Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"
Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!
Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!
Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!
Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!
Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"
Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}
I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!
Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"
2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!
Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!
I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!
I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"
Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!
Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!
Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"
Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"
Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"
Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!
I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms! Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!
Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!
Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!
**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??
What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"
But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??
James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"
Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!
The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.
The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.
**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:
I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.
And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!
Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"
Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"
A mega load of false teaching—but not surprising, false prophets hawk and squawk false teaching!!
Honestly so many scriptures used out of context and twisted to fit the pagan pacifistic model in the Pinocchio’s posts
Unfortunately, the Pinocchio Prophetic also forced many good and godly preachers of old AND EVEN THE WORDS OF JESUS are being forced to fit the false pagan pacifist model.
But this is not an unusual tactic of false teachers!
If you recall from biblical history, the false teachers in Moses’ day claimed God was on their side and they claimed Moses was wrong. Later in Jesus day, the false teachers claimed Moses was on their side and they claimed Jesus was wrong!!
Today we have false teachers passing off heresy as orthodoxy. Worse yet they claim Jesus taught the same heresies and they “prove” it by twisting scripture and Jesus’ words out of context to use as “evidence”!!
False teachers sometimes appeal to the teachings of Godly men of the past such as Charles Spurgeon, Dwight Moody and others! Yes, false teachers claim these noted preachers “support“ the teaching the false teacher is spreading. Sadly, the great preacher Charles Spurgeon gets his words twisted outa context all the time to make it look as if he supports whatever heresy the false teaching is hustling.
So I’m going to refute each of Pinocchio’s arguments one by one.
I think it’s better to continue using shorter readable posts than to copy all of the Pinocchio Prophetic’s post all at once.
I think it’s better to refute each of the Pinocchio Prophet’s abuses of scripture AND abuses of godly men whose works have been hijacked by the Pinocchio Prophetic to support pagan pacifism
Richard has quoted many scriptures used out of context and twisted to fit the pagan pacifistic model."
"So I’m going to refute each of Pinocchio’s arguments one by one."
Littlest David then fails to refute even one of the Scriptures I quotedin defense of New Testament Christian Pacifism!
** THE GREAT BIBBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN PACIFISTS IN THE PAST 2,000 YEARS**
The Bible believing pacifists in the past 2,000 years have set a great example for all Christians throughout the past centuries. After Marin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic church the the German country broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and then there was a period of almost total war between the Roman Catholics in France and the Protestants in Germany for 100 years.
There were many good Christians in Germany that were Christians before the Protestants such as the Amish, Menonites, Brethren and Anabapists. They believed in the teachings of Jesus and were greatly persecuted by the Protestants in Germany and many were put in jail and killed because they refused to join the army and become professional killers.
And so these Bible believing Christians fled to Holland and waited for ships to take them to America where they could follow the commands of Jesus in peace. There have been many great Christian preachers in the past like D.L.Moody who founded the famous Moody Bible college and Charles Spurgeon. Moody was responsible for thousands of Northern Bapists not joining the evil Civil War and killing Southern Baptists.
Christian pacifists understand that every country will have armies and they do not assemble protests against their country's armies. Christian Bible believing pacifists do not interfere police actions which discipline and imprison evil unbelievers. Pacifists just choose to obey God's word and avoid signing a Satanic enlistment Oath and becoming professional killers. Instead they believe in sending missionaries to all the countries of the world which try to love and convert their enemies and teach them to obey all the Divine Commandments of the New Covenant!
Looks like Littlest David believes like Teddyhugger that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament changes listed below. It is interesting to note the LittlestDavid does not exegete or answer any of the Divine commandments listed below!!
**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!
In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."
Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"
Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"
Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"
Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"
Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!
Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!
Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!
Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!
Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"
Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}
I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!
Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"
2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!
Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!
I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!
I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"
Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!
Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!
Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"
Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"
Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"
Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!
I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms! Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!
Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!
Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!
**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??
What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"
But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??
James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"
Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!
The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.
The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.
**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:
I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.
And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!
Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"
Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"
Hi Winnoc! Great post of truth but as you can see what you revealed about pathetic's method of study and his REASONING skills, he STILL FAILS to see the truth! Thanks for trying! Lets look at the latest post of pathetic7744 below, shall we?
"Looks like Littlest David believes like Teddyhugger that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament" LAWS, the Divine commandments that pathetic7744 listed! end quote.
Well first of all pathetic parrot you forgot to list Winnoc in your LYING accusations! So there are at least 3 witnesses that agree with each other here AND NOT ONE single person has posted that agrees with you! Why is that? The Messiah in the flesh did not come to change "His" own LAW "He" made of old but to expound on what already existed when "He" was the WORD of the Father! You want us to believe the EVERLASTING FATHER "Son" (Isaiah 9:6) would disagrees with "Himself", with the EVERLASTING FATHER in heaven when "He" had sinners "killed" of old because they would not change from their sinning ways??? Since the Father and "Son" obviously was ONE and the same from the beginning, its impossible for "them" (there are two now since YHWH "himself, His" WORD became flesh) to contradict ONE another! YHWH "himself" did NOT change "His" mind about "His" LAW!
So what's the difference in the "killings" of old (O.T.) to that of the new (N.T.)??? In the old "He" either put them to death "Himself" or told His human servants to do so. Right? What about "His" coming judgment today? "He" will not have "His" human servants put anyone to death at "His" second coming, "He" will do it "Himself" by "His" purity and "His" brightness at second coming!!!
2 Thessalonians 2:8 (KJV) "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"
So its obvious Richard7744 that YHWH is going to destroy and or ANNIHILATE those sinners by "the brightness of his coming"! Correct?
Richard states - **JESUS SAYS LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!
YOU claim the Messiah **FORGIVES ALL HIS ENEMIES** as an example to us and those that sin against "Him" but the Bible disagrees with you because it says he will kill and or ANNIHILATE sinners to death, like the above verse I gave! The truth of the matter is YHWH does not hate "His" **ENEMIES** which are continual sinners but hates the continual **SIN** that dwells in them!!!
Well that is all I have to say in this thread and I'm going to let David refute each of Pinocchio’s arguments one by one, as its his thread anyway. I'm making popcorn already as the "proof show" is about to begin!
Richard has quoted many scriptures used out of context and twisted to fit the pagan pacifistic model."
"So I’m going to refute each of Pinocchio’s arguments one by one."
Littlest David then fails to refute even one of the Scriptures I quoted in defense of New Testament Christian Pacifism! You can easily tell that his analysis of Scripture is completely Satanic and non-sensible and he fails to mention any NT Scripture which absolutely contradicts his conclusions.
** THE GREAT BIBBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN PACIFISTS IN THE PAST 2,000 YEARS**
The Bible believing pacifists in the past 2,000 years have set a great example for all Christians throughout the past centuries. After Marin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic church the the German country broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and then there was a period of almost total war between the Roman Catholics in France and the Protestants in Germany for 100 years.
There were many good Christians in Germany that were Christians before the Protestants such as the Amish, Menonites, Brethren and Anabapists. They believed in the teachings of Jesus and were greatly persecuted by the Protestants in Germany and many were put in jail and killed because they refused to join the army and become professional killers.
And so these Bible believing Christians fled to Holland and waited for ships to take them to America where they could follow the commands of Jesus in peace. There have been many great Christian preachers in the past like D.L.Moody who founded the famous Moody Bible college and Charles Spurgeon. Moody was responsible for thousands of Northern Bapists not joining the evil Civil War and killing Southern Baptists.
Christian pacifists understand that every country will have armies and they do not assemble protests against their country's armies. Christian Bible believing pacifists do not interfere police actions which discipline and imprison evil unbelievers. Pacifists just choose to obey God's word and avoid signing a Satanic enlistment Oath and becoming professional killers. Instead they believe in sending missionaries to all the countries of the world which try to love and convert their enemies and teach them to obey all the Divine Commandments of the New Covenant!
Looks like Littlest David believes like Teddyhugger that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament changes listed below. It is interesting to note the LittlestDavid does not exegete or answer any of the Divine mmandments listed below!!
**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!
In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."
Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"
Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"
Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"
Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"
Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!
Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!
Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!
Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!
Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"
Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"
Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}
I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!
Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"
2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!
Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!
I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!
I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"
Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!
Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!
Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"
Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"
Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"
Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!
I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms! Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!
Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!
Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!
**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??
What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not beak his word but must do everything he said."
But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??
James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be ye and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"
Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!
The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.
The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.
**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:
I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.
And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!
Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"
Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"
Don’t worry Pinocchio, I tried to recruit another false teacher, who goes by the name of Quiznos, to come to your aid.
I told him you false teachers really need to unite in your battle against the truth.
It’s just not fair of him to leave you all alone all by yourself to twist scripture, just think the two of you put together could twist twice as much twice as fast!!
I was thinking they could call themselves the twister sister's but then that would not work and twister lads does not rhyme! That is for the ever learning and never able to come to the truth "student boys" that they are!
We should probably post Richard's favorite "out of context" COMMON SENSE verses and so lets do so! 
Father YaHuWaH in the Old Testament times made a terrible "SINFUL" mistake when He instructed His people to "KILL" (note I did not say murder!) their PAGAN enemies that were idol worshippers, queers etc etc and it was "WRONG" to do so as he should of instructed His people to give them smooches (kisses) and hugs like Richard wants to do with children!!! 
The Father in heaven WILL be judged one day for having people killed and the "Son" will have to cast His Father in the lake of fire that the "Son" will make one day! 
AMEN Richard! 
Say where do I sign up to take the "Oath enlistment" to become a "christian" dogma pacifists??? 
I just went to the official website and found out the official diet of pacifists is FRUIT LOOPS!!! 
I'm headed to the store NOW to purchase mine! 
Will you all join me? 
So there are at least 3 witnesses that agree with each other here AND NOT ONE single person has posted that agrees with you! 
The Messiah in the flesh did not come to change "His" own LAW "He" made of old but to expound on what already existed when "He" was the WORD of the Father! You want us to believe the EVERLASTING FATHER "Son" (Isaiah 9:6) would disagrees with "Himself", with the EVERLASTING FATHER in heaven when "He" had sinners "killed" of old because they would not change from their sinning ways??? 
Since the Father and "Son" obviously was ONE and the same from the beginning, its impossible for "them" (there are two now since YHWH "himself, His" WORD became flesh) to contradict ONE another! 
