YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 5 Mar, 2020 03:56 PM
1 John 2 verses 1-2
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 9 Mar, 2020 08:43 AM
Wow! So prophetic7744 posts this everywhere on the forum when he first posted it to me in another thread accusing me! But I say....
Prophetic7744.... Woah woah! Where did I say I was drinking alcohol dude??? My friends and I drink lots of coffee and pop and for me I get this kind of hangover from all the partying and fellowship, ok? Some of us buds are semi retired while others are retired, we like to go out to Colorado and have a wonderful time to PARTY in love and fellowship. Got it now? We always abide by the laws of the land where ever we go and do! Why all the judgment in assuming I was living 'sinful pleasures' or "recovering from a drunken binge" from alcohol??? Im no "**DRUNKARD**" as you imply and judge! Do you think I would be like "christians" today that drink alcohol, or like the ones drunk I noticed doing so when I was growing up? Really!
What's up with attempting to apply 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 to me? I'm neither a "thief, nor greedy, slanderer nor swindler etc! Im washed by His blood and sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus in verse 11! Ok? I was "saved" when I was young and went forward in church in tears, felt dirty and accepted the FREE gift of salvation and NOW Im clean! I was told all my past and
future "sins" were forgiven because I came forward in church and to this day I don't even know what those "sins" are! Jesus will NEVER forsake me or leave me because I'm saved!
I think everyone knows about false teachers like Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn as well as others that are fake, dude! How they teach you can do major bad things and still go to heaven. So tell me, do you think a BELIEVER is no longer a believer when they commit a little wrong and then supposedly lose their salvation? Really? You seem to imply that if a initial BELIEVER "falls away" or goes back to the "same worldly life" as you call it, they will lose their salvation? Really? Have Scripture for that teaching? So what are these "commands of Jesus" you state are what it is all about and where are they found in the Bible? Are they different from what Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 you posted? I want to know about these "rules" or "laws" to know if I have kept them or need too, ok?
I want to follow Jesus and keep the "commands" he kept, ok? So can you finally show me where they are found in the Bible???
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 9 Mar, 2020 12:22 PM
Parehtban: Sorry, when you said you were recovering from to much partying I wrongly assumed that alcohol and not Coffeel was the main culprit. I have never claimed that some one born from above can lose their salvation. I believe those who fall away were never saved in the first place even though they were promised heaven by false prophets if they accepted Jesus as their Savior'
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through **FAITH**—and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**—not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {Riding on white horses right after the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB** as per Revelation 19:7-20!}
John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who **LOVES** Me! He who loves Me will be **LOVED** by My Father, and I will **LOVE** him....If anyone **LOVES** Me, he will obey My teaching. My Father will **LOVE** him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him!!"
I John 2:1-6: Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins... We know that we have come to know Him **IF** we keep His commands. Whoever says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a **LIAR** and truth is not in that person. But if anyone**OBEYS HIS WORD**,love for God is \truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in Him!!
Matthew 13:23: Jesus says, "But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the **WORD AND UNDERSTANDS IT**. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 10 Mar, 2020 11:48 AM
It's important one understands what "atoning" or "atonement" actually means.
The word "atonement" only appears once in the New Testament and that is in Romans 5:11.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Atonement – katallagē - G2643 (Strong's) From G2644; exchange (figuratively adjustment), that is, restoration to (the divine) favor: - atonement, reconciliation (-ing).
The concept is "reconciliation," ie. the bringing together of two parties whom are in disagreement with each other.
it is man that has offended God by his sin, not the other way around, thus for any reconciliation to occur it is the "offending party" whom must change, not the offended party. God changes not.
If we understand the Cross in that context it makes perfect sense why Jesus would teach...
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. (Mat 16:24-25)
It is through losing our "old life" that we may enter into a "new life" that of the "Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ." Paul wrote...
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The above really sums up the Gospel message. We find "no condemnation" (forgiveness of sins) through entering into the "Spirit of life in Jesus Christ" (new birth/spiritual walk) through which genuine righteousness if fulfilled in us (ie. righteousness of the law which is love).
Jesus sacrifice was for the sin of the WHOLE world which gives the WHOLE world the opportunity to be reconciled to God through Him.
There is only confusion when people are viewing the "atoning sacrifice" in some other context, a context that removes the participatory aspect of where "we die to sin" and "we are raised up to newness of life" a MANIFEST REALITY as opposed to some nebulous transaction or positional concept.
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 10 Mar, 2020 07:14 PM
Aussie,
I remember RECONCILIATION originally was said to bring together two parties that had a severed relationship in order for it to be healed.
The example was that of a doctor bring together two parts of a broken arm in oder for healing to happen; Thus reconcialing on broken part with the other.
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 11 Mar, 2020 10:51 AM
WiseWay posted,
"Start with the Gospels. Luke 9:23-25; 12:15; 14:12-14. John 21:15-16. Matthew chapter 4; 5:37-48; 6:19-21; 6:33; 7:6-8; 7:12-16; 9:37-38; 10:28; 15:4; 16:6; 21:21-22; 22:19-21; 22:19-21; 22:37-40; 24:42-44; 26:41; 28:19-20.....And so many more!"
WiseWay!
I thought you would teach me the WISE WAY to the questions I seek of WHAT "sin" is and where these "laws," these "commands" of God are to be found in the Bible but Ooooooooh no you do just what "Quiznos" and prophetic7744 does and they BOTH AVOID my questions with Bible verses like you that DO NOT show these "laws" and "commands" which are instructions from what I gather they might mean???
Here again IN BRIEF below is what I ASKED, so pay attention! Be respectful in listening when you reply or SAY NOTHING at all. Your NOT helping!
Parehtban wrote - "So what are these "commands of Jesus" you state are what it is all about and where are they found in the Bible? Are they different from what Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 you posted? I want to know about these "rules" or "laws" to know if I have kept them or need too, ok? I want to follow Jesus and keep the "commands" he kept, ok? So can you finally show me
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 11 Mar, 2020 01:38 PM
Parehtban:
Come on dude. Read the Scripture references I gave you. Love your enemies. Repent. Make disciples of all nations. Love your neighbor as yourself. Render to Caesar what is his. Forgive your brother. Deny yourself and take up your cross. And much, much more.
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 12 Mar, 2020 10:37 AM
WiseWay: Those are some wonderful important things to do in how to live a Christian life for instructions in the way BUT what I'm asking for is where are these COMMANDS given for the saints that keep the commandments of God in the Bible! You see? It MUST be critical to be kept because those who don't keep them will NOT be in the kingdom of heaven! This is what concerns me and why I want to know where they are found dude. Here are some verses below that concern me! The whole conclusion of the whole matter seems to be "Fearing God, and keeping his commandments" and whoever should "break one of these least commandments" and "teach" others its ok to break them or ignor them, then none of those people will be in God's kingdom! YICKS!!! I certainly don't want to be one of those, do you?
Revelation 22:14 KJV "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Revelation 14:12 KJV "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJV "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."
Matthew 5:19 KJV "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 12 Mar, 2020 02:00 PM
Parehtban:
All scripture must be taken within context. In the case of Matt. 5:19.....consider Matt. 5:20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
No one is righteous enough on their own merits to enter the kingdom of heaven. I will enter the kingdom of heaven because Jesus (Yashua) is my righteousness.
If you lived perfectly for the rest of your life you still could not enter on your own merits because you are already stained with sin.
The whole conclusion of the whole matter seems to be "Fearing God, and keeping his commandments" and whoever should "break one of these least commandments" and "teach" others its ok to break them or ignor them, then none of those people will be in God's kingdom! 