When i first trusted Messiah to save me back in 1984, i heard the christians talking about a ' rapture ' that GOD Almighty would take the christians out of this life before the Tribulation was to happen.
As a young believer i listened to men on the radio from calvary chapel, grace to you, J Vernon McGee, and others that would talk about the rapture.
Where i assembled with others, the Elders would talk about the rapture from time to time.
As the Holy Spirit brought me along, He began to place in my mind to investigate whether this rapture was in the Word.
I began to investigate by reading what some had written about the rapture, as i was reading i would read the scripture the writes used to say there was a rapture.
Upon reading the meaning of the Greek word used to proclaim the rapture, i found the scriptures did not support the rapture, that it was made up by a man in order to lull the christians into a false sense of security.
The scriptures, Biblical doctrine are what people need not the rapture theory.
Finally, what are you believing, are you placing faith into an event known as the rapture, OR are you placing your faith into the Messiah Yahshua.
Thanks for jumpimg to another dillisionary judgement, with all the jumping you do you should be in good shape.
Words have meaning, and each word in scripture has a meaning, some more than one meaning, then the context will show which meaning is the one to be used.
Next, we need to get the root of each word, to see what the root word meaning is to see how the word is used.
Then we see in what tense the word is used, whether past, present or future tense, as the tense can determine the use of a word, or phrase.
Now,did Messiah talk about any rapture of anyone especially the christians, can you show just one time where Messiah mentioned a rapture, maybe Paul, how about Peter, John, James, maybe Luke had written a small note that he left in Pauls cloak.
Maybe that was why Paul was so anxious to have his cloak, he did not want anyone to know about the rapture.
When you accuse someone make sure you have enough evidence to convict by asking the person what they believe, until then keep you ridiculous accusations to yourself.
The idea of "rapture" didn't originate from the Bible. It came from a teenage girl names Margaret MacDonald who had "visions." She was born in 1815, at about age 12-13 she started having visions, and in 1840 she died, so she would've been around 25 when she passed. This was accepted by some and became part of dispensationalism. Not it's even more commonly accepted.
This is one of those topics I tread carefully on. I don't want to discount the scriptures associated it, but also there needs to be care when digging into this doctrine.
For your information there is not a fourth chapter to 2nd Thessalonians.
You might have meant 1st Thessalonians 4 verse 17.
Before we look at that may i say that you never give any context to the scripture verse you post, thus any interpretation is possible, even the so called rapture theory.
Now lets have some context for the verse you posted,then we can proceed.
1st Thessalonians 4 verses 13 - 18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
First there are no capitol letters, punctuation marks, no chapter and verse breaks, Also there is no letter
' J ' in the Hebrew or Greek manuscripts.
These were added over time.
Now lets look at the text, first the Greek word harpazo is not in the text.
What is in the text in verse 13, the writer foes not want people to be ignorant concerning those that have died/ left this life; Why
So that they will not grieve like those that have no hope or faith in Messiah.
Verses 14 - 17 are to be an encouragement to believers that they will se their believing relatives, and friends again when Messiah returns.
Verse 18 says COMFORT one another with these words.
Nowhere in this scritpture is there any mention of a rapture in order to avoid the TRIBULATION.
People may interpret that to say there is a rapture but they might not have looked at the text, OR they have only heard someone speak about this without doing any investigation into its validity.
My my my, you sure are self righteous, depending upon a so called pastor to tell you what he believea the Word says, instead of teaching how to read the Word for yourself.
By you reply see you do not have a teachable spirit.
You reject the people GOD Almighty sends your way with truth trying to show you how to read the scriptures, but you refuse to listen, so sad.
That is why Darby started the ideology. It was due to MacDonald's visions. It was a section of time for dispensationalism when Darby and others believed there would he a time of "signs and wonders", and when MacDonald claimed to have these visions, Darby and others assumed it to be special revelation they were looking for. In other words, they were looking for something to convince themselves of what they already wanted to believe.
**WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS ON THE LAST DAY OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION**??
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 shows that all saints including the Church Saints and all of the Lost will be resurrected on the **SAME LAST DAY**and judged at the 2nd coming of Jesus.
John 6:39, John 6:40 and John 5:44 compared with John 12:48 shows that all saints including the Church Saints will be resurrected, and all of the lost will be judged on the **SAME LAST DAY**
John 5:26,29 and Daniel 12:1,2,7 shows us that the saved and the lost will be resurrected on the **SAME DAY**. and Daniel 12:1,2,7 also shows us that the saved and lost will be resurrected on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation.
I Thessalonions 4:16-18 and I Thessalonians 5:1-4: compared with 2 Peter 3:10,13 shows us that the saints will be resurrected on the same **DAY OF THE LORD** which will come as a thief in the night to unbelievers but will not surprise God's saints. And on this same **DAY OF THE LORD** the present heavens and earth will be completely destroyed and disappear as per 2 Peter 3:10,13!!
Titus 2:12,13; Matthew 16:27; I Peter 1:13; I Corinthians 1:7; Hebrews 9:28; I Corinthians 15:23; Colossians 3:4; I John 3:2,3; I John 2:28; 2 Timothy 4:18 and I Peter 5:4 shows us that all God's saints will be resurrected at the glorious 2nd Coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Mark 13:26,27; Luke 21:27,28; Revelation 11:15-18; Revelation 14-20 and Daniel 12:1,2,7 shows that the resurrection of the saints will come on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation!
I John 3:23 and I Corinthians 15:49-52 shows that all of God's saints at the 2nd Coming of Jesus will get a new heavenly body **JUST LIKE THE BODY OF JESUS**!!
Jude 14,15; Revelation 19:7:21 and Revelation 17:14 shows that just after His 2nd Coming and the Marriage Feast of the Lamb Jesus and His saints wil mount heavenly white horses and defeat the armies of 666, and throw 666 and his false prophet alive into eternal torment in hell!!
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings, and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
In another grand display of his colossal ignorance, Quiznos thinks you need to trace a word’s etymology (original root meaning and development) to determine its current contextual meaning.
This kind of obtuse absurdity would cause students of linguistics to fall off their chairs in hysterics and uncontrollable hilarity!!!
The silly idea of understanding a words ancient etymology to determine its more recent contextual meaning would be like using a 1954 automobile manual to operate a modern jet liner!!!
Don’t worry Quiznos, you’re not the only one coming up short in support of false interpretations, that’s why they’ve coined a term for the type of interpretation error you’ve fallen for. It’s called the “etymological root fallacy”.
