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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 10:22 AM

Despite biblical admonition according to 1 Corinthians 1:10

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

Why then is there such an extreme diversity of belief amongst believers in God? So much diversity results only in opposing and contradictory theologies

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 12:22 PM

Little David,



It has actually been my hope that you and I could have a real discussion. However my hopes have repeatedly been dashed on the rocks.



You write:

"Thank you for replying chuckk. But all your posts are nearly the same with little variance."



You are absolutely right! Because this where the error and disunity begins. I repeat it in different ways because either people are not hearing or understanding. But one thing is true, I have not been refuted on this.



You also write:

"(Not talking about your anti-Pauline arguments)"



I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this statement. Let me make myself CLEAR on this issue NOW❗️To say I am "anti-Paul" is a complete misrepresentation of the TRUTH ‼️



✔️Here is my OFFICIAL statement on the matter:



Paul's writings are misunderstood, misinterpreted and misappropriated by non-Jewish Christians. Paul was a Jew! By his own admission a "Pharisee of Pharisees". To read Paul's writings any other way is to take his writings out of context and make Paul say things he did NOT say.

Furthermore:

I CAN ASSURE YOU:

Paul, especially as a Jew NEVER intended his "letters" simply written to other churches to be taken as superseding the teachings of Moses and Jesus. These letters were to be taken as midrash on Moses, Jesus and how it is especially applicable to Gentiles in light of the cross. (a type of Talmudic writing).



AGAIN: for the record‼️

I am NOT anti-Paul‼️

I am ANTI-MISAPPROPRIATION of Paul's letters‼️



(Anyone after reading this and accusing me from this point foward of being anti-Paul will be known as a bold faced liar insecurely protecting their precious systematically derived cultish doctrines)

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 01:41 PM

Chuckles completely ridiculous quote:



"Paul's writings are misunderstood, misinterpreted and misappropriated by non-Jewish Christians. Paul was a Jew! By his own admission a "Pharisee of Pharisees". To read Paul's writings any other way is to take his writings out of context and make Paul say things he did NOT say.



So what did Paul say about OT Law that Chuckles admits are inspired by God:



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!



Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"



Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"



Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."



Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.



Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 02:13 PM

‼️PROPHETIC GO AWAY AND TAKE YOUR LIES WITH YOU‼️



‼️You are a malicious liar and harass real believers‼️



‼️YOUR REPUTATION AS A LIAR IS WELL DOCUMENTED‼️



‼️YOUR HARRASSING OTHERS IS WELL DOCUMENTED‼️



‼️YOU RUNNING GOOD PEOPLE OFF THIS FORUM IS WELL DOCUMENTED ‼️



what in your wildest dreams makes you think God will protect you when you attack his people?

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 02:18 PM

Chuckles completely ridiculous quote:



"Paul's writings are misunderstood, misinterpreted and misappropriated by non-Jewish Christians. Paul was a Jew! By his own admission a "Pharisee of Pharisees". To read Paul's writings any other way is to take his writings out of context and make Paul say things he did NOT say.



So what did Paul say about OT Law that Chuckles admits are inspired by God:



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!



Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because BY OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED**!"



Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"



Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." **CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW** by becoming a curse for us!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is **SET ASIDE** BECAUSE IR WAS *WEAK* AND *USELESS*; for the law made nothing perfect, and a **BETTER HOPE** IS INTRODUCED, BY WHICH WE DRAW NEAR TO GOD**.!



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."



Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.



Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 02:36 PM

‼️WHAT KIND OF AN IDIOT CANT POST HIS STUFF IN THE RIGHT SECTION⁉️



prophetic = 🐎🔚

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 03:02 PM

There are some like Chuckles who claim that God has allowed His Word to be **CORRUPTED**





**WE ARE BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD** 1 Peter 1:23



Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among your fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them **EVERYTHING** I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name!!"



John 14:21-24: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me... Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them.. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!" {See Deut 18:17-19 above}



Acts 5:32: We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given **TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM**!"



Luke 6:46-49: Jesus says, "As for everyone who comes to Me and hears **MY WORDS** and **PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE**. I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid foundation on rock. When the flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears **MY WORDS** and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete!"



I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.



Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"



I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's love is truly made complete in him!



Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man does not live on bread alone, but on **EVERY WORD FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD**!"



Luke 8:15: Jesus says, "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the **WORD**, retain it, and by perseverance produce a crop."



John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"



Acts 20:32: Paul says, "Now I commit you to God and to the **WORD OF HIS GRACE**, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified!"



Romans 10:17: Consequently, **FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE**, and the message is heard **THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST**!



James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!



I Corinthians 15:2: By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the **WORD** preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain!



2 Corinthians 4:2: We do not use deception, nor do we distort the **WORD OF GOD**!



Ephesians 1:13: You also were included in Christ **WHEN** you heard the **WORD** of Truth, the gospel of your salvation.



Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!



Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the **WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS**!



Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!



I Thessalonians 2:13: We thank God continually because, when you received the **WORD OF GOD**, which you heard from us, you received it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the **WORD OF GOD**!



Acts 17:11,12: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and **EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY**... As a result many of them believed!!



Psalm 118:147,148: I rise before dawn and cry for help; I have put my hope in **YOUR WORD**! My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I might meditate on **YOUR PROMISES**!!



2 Timothy 2:15: Do your best to present yourselves to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who **CORRECTLY HANDLES THE WORD ** of truth!



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}



**DOES GOD"S WORD SAY THAT **ADDING** OR **TAKING WORD'S AWAY** FROM GOD's WORD IS AN UMPARDONABLE SIN**??



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the **WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK**: If anyone **ADDS** {Like the RC popes} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like the RC pope} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."



John 16: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!"





And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus told him to write!!



THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on ***EARTH*** has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {The entire NT} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 03:13 PM

‼️WHAT KIND OF AN IDIOT CANT POST HIS STUFF IN THE RIGHT SECTION⁉️

Prophetic = #️⃣☝️🐎🔚

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 03:27 PM

You have to be Humble. So the Holy Spirit can lead.



Otherwise you are Selfserving and in your Flesh !

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Why So Little Unity of Belief Among Believers
Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 03:32 PM

Because "Truth" is sometimes subjective to your desires, otherwise why would God say he would give them strong delusions that they should believe a lie. The scriptures speak of itching ears. IF you have a love for the truth and seek it , it will be found eventually.

Take for instance, many people read into the scriptures and make it all about what they will get almost as if God is a genie in a bottle or the Host of the Price is Right.

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Posted : 27 Dec, 2019 03:51 PM

OH!....I should add, you have to READ the scriptures and not go to church only to be spoon fed the Word. He is just a man and may not be led by the Holy Spirit.

Also as a 501c3 tax exempt Church...

The creator of your church is the State.

The State is the sole authority and sovereign head over your church.

Your church is subject to the laws of the State which limits its powers.

Your church has no constitutionally protected rights.

Your church is an artificial person.

Your church submits to a State Charter declaring it is a creature of the State.

Your church is created for the benefit of the public.

Your church is a State franchise.

Your church is a privilege granted by the State.

(The word church can also be replaced with ministry or mission.)

Last I remember Jesus was head of the Church and His word is above His name. Psalms 138:2

According to Hebrew custom, the “name” of someone referred to his authority and reputation. “Your promise is even greater than your fame.”

IS the Bible your standard to live by ?

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