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Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 01:45 AM

The 'church' is a business.

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 10:39 AM

George, I wasn’t referring to your citations, only the article that cited Tex Mars as an authority.



He’s so across the board uninformed that when he does hit the truth it’s probably by a “lucky strike”

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 02:39 PM

The Church is the Body of Christ.



Ephesians 2:22-23

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 02:42 PM

Ephesians 1:22-23



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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 02:53 PM

Churches and Pastors have First Amendment and statutory rights to speak out on the moral issues of the day, even if those moral positions mention or touch upon a political campaign or candidate. Simply becoming a Pastor does not mean you give up your free speech rights under the First Amendment.



Indeed, there are clear First Amendment rights for Christians to share information with one another on issues of public policy. Although a church’s tax status under current law, does limit the amount of political activity in which it may engage, it does not prohibit a church from encouraging citizenship, including voter registration and voter turnout.



Organizations and churches are encouraged by the state’s election division to engage in voter registration efforts, provided they are neutral and are not conducted on behalf of any candidate or political party. The following comprises what Churches may and may not do under current law with regard to political involvement.



What Churches May Do:

•Conduct non-partisan voter registration drives.

•Distribute non-partisan voter education materials, such as Christian Coalition Voter Guides and scorecards, Right to Life and Family Council Voter Guides.

•Host candidate or issue forums where all viable candidates are invited and allowed to speak.

•Allow candidates and elected officials to speak at church services.

•Educate members about pending legislation.

•Lobby for legislation and spend no more than an insubstantial amount of their budget (five percent is safe) on direct lobbying activities.



What Churches May Not Do:

•Endorse candidates directly or indirectly from the pulpit on behalf of the church.

•Contribute funds or services (such as mailing lists or office equipment) directly to candidates or political committees.

•Distribute materials that clearly favor any one candidate or political party.

•Pay fees for partisan political events from church funds.

•Allow candidates to solicit funds while speaking in church.

•Set up a political committee that would contribute funds to political candidates.



What Pastors May Do:

•Endorse candidates in their capacity as private citizens – A pastor does not lose his right to free speech because he is an employee of a church.

•Participate fully in political committees that are independent of the church.

•Lobby for legislation in their private capacity.



What Pastors May Not Do:

•Endorse candidates directly or indirectly from the pulpit on behalf of the church



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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 03:09 PM

George, l just want to make sure l have the right article you recommended. Is it:



Government OWNS and RUNS your Church

and its Doctrines!

501c3 Tax-Exempt Organizations



By Lorraine Day, M.D.

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 03:16 PM

I misspelled Texe Marrs.

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 03:44 PM

Richard, this is what George is concerned about.



QUOTE RICHARD:

Organizations and churches are encouraged by the state’s election division to engage in voter registration efforts, provided they are neutral and are not conducted on behalf of any candidate or political party. The following comprises what Churches may and may not do under current law with regard to political involvement.

END QUOTE



The following clause taken from your quote above is the unconstitutional encroachment upon the church that George is referring to. That phrase is “...provided they are neutral...”.



If you haven’t noticed, progressive liberal “churches” and their “pastors” are free to express their politics, their favored politicians and candidates all day to the congregation without harassment. But conservative churches are threatened for doing the same thing even though it is their constitutional right to support a candidate and policies of their choice.

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 04:13 PM

But in all candor, I don’t understand why churches and charities have not collectively opposed such an unconstitutional ban on their free speech. Could the lack of resistance be due in part to the fact liberal churches and charities appear unthreatened by the ban?

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 04:25 PM

Fortunately the IRS has come under fire for targeting certain conservatives groups while ignoring left-wing “nonprofit” groups.



How far that goes remains to be seen

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Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 04:43 PM

There have been many conservative pastors that have openly endorsed Trump such as Franklin Graham and Falwell. I myself do not vote since I do not believe in voting for the lessor of 2 evils. However, I would certainly vote if one of the candidates was a born again Christian and a pacifist.



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