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can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 28 Sep, 2019 09:36 AM
Hello everyone.
What cab anger bitterness,self righteousness, and hatred do to a person; These can lead a person to judge others about what the believe, even calling them satan, or followers of satan.
Such people actually hate GOD Almighty as the Holy Spirit is not evident in their lives.
When a person judges another and calls others satan that person stands in the place of the SON of GOD, who is the only one that has the authority and power to make such judgements.
Such people are ANTI MESSIAH, and are under the judgement of MESSIAH, these people need Faith, in Messiah in order to repent. Trying to correct such a person is almost impossible seeing they believe everyone is wrong and they are right.
These people should be prayed for and pitied as they are not believers of MESSIAH.
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 30 Sep, 2019 08:43 PM
KJVonly: Can you explain how the Preterists teach that the following prophecies in God's Word took place in AD 70??
Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory {In Matt 24:30-31 above}, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inheritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"
Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"
**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”
JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!
Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 04:57 PM
Richard,
I don’t believe in Preterism because the proponents of that doctrine are always unsuccessful defending it. That’s because the indefensible cannot be defended.
But those believing in Preterism are basically just like you.
I say that because you teach false doctrines as well and you have been just as unsuccessful defending your choice of false doctrines.
You’ve tried defending your anti-trinity heresy multiple times without success. Like I say, the indefensible cannot be defended.
But l don’t call you a “follower of Satan” just because you have been tricked by the devil into believing a few Satanic lies.
It is possible for genuine Believers and those who think they are to believe serious lies from the devil. That’s why certain books of the Bible were written. These Biblical books were written for Christians to study and obey so they can avoid all false Satanic teachings
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 05:15 PM
Hmmm David, with all due respect , brother , I wonder how much >>>time<<< you have devoted to study preterism from an actual man who compares scripture with scripture? How much >>>bible studies<<< have you sat in on, even online? William Bell is very good at scripture comparison on Youtube. Some of his vids run 5 hours long!! plus he takes questions on live stream which is beneficial. Even BEFORE I understood preterism and what their view was, I came to the same conclusion by reading Isaiah and comparing it to Revelation!
So many of us are blinded by the doctrine we were raised in or taught from parents, grandparents , etc.
We end up >>reading<<<into the text what our hearts and minds wants or believes. I have done it myself. Then I will re-read it at another time and it will be different.
You can make a person believe in a "beam me up Scotty!" rapture doctrine in Thessalonians . You can believe all kinds of fairy tales if you entertain certain Pastors. How do you think there are SO many differing doctrines! Is end time eschatology a salvation issue is my question since Parrot calls me satanic?
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 06:29 PM
Well, my dad was none to happy with me when I rejected his gap theory interpretation of Genesis 1.
He didn’t believe in evolution but unbeknownst to him he had become “evolutionized”. He had simply believed some preachers who preferred to accept false theories passed off as science, instead of taking God at his word.
These preachers just didn’t want anybody thinking they were hostile to “science” so they twisted up Genesis l to make it accommodate fake science.
The result was a convoluted interpretation of Genesis 1 known as the “gap theory”.
The gap theory is not the only absurdity believed by some in the church, there are other equally absurd theories as well.
Some “Christians” are all too willing to believe fake theories because everybody else believes those theories too and they are just too ashamed, in front of a watching world, to take God at his word.
I’m saying all that to prove I don’t believe stuff just because someone tells me to, not even dear o’ Dad or any church
There are many fine sounding arguments on the internet. They sound good until they get challenged.
But I’ll look at Mr Bell. But I’ll be checking for objectivity.
For example, does he selectively quote Bible verses out of context or does he systematically cover all relevant passages and explain each exegetically according to the rules of biblical interpretation. Does he answer ALL objections objectively or does he just create straw-men arguments and then pretend to knock them down by “refuting” something no one is saying.
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 08:46 PM
Little David: William Bell and Preston were both 7th Day Adventists. It is interesting to note that KJVonly also believes many other doctrines of the 7th Day Adventists; such as obeying about half of the OT Sabbath Laws and the KJV only Bible and the belief in Annihilation rather than eternal hell. The 7th Day Adventists is the only protestant denomination that believes in Preterism which believes that every Bible Prophecy in the New Testament including Revelation was entirely completed by an **EARTHLY** Kingdom in AD 70.
About 80 percent of the Roman Catholics also believe in a different form of Preterism since they also believe in an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God headed by Roman Catholic Popes which began in Ad 65 when Peter died and was succeeded by Roman Catholic Popes as the head of an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God. And in the future they believe that Roman Catholic Popes will rule the entire *EARTHLY**world from Rome.
KJVonly: Can you explain how the Preterists teach that the following prophecies in God's Word took place in AD 70?? Actually every prophecy listed below absolutely contradicts the Preterism heresy which **ADDS** OR **TAKES WORDS AWAY** FROM THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION AND GOD'S WORD.
Revelation 22 :16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS* anything to them, God will add them the plagues described in this book. {Which would include eternal hell in Rev 14:9-11} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The eternal New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!"
Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory {In Matt 24:30-31 above}, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inheritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"
Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"
**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”
JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!
Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 09:59 AM
Don't know about them being SDA.
Here is a bio of William Bell who states and I agree: “I didn’t begin with this view, but was led to it through investigating the Scriptures and a lot of agonizing as I transitioned in my thinking through painstaking hours of laborious study.
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 10:08 AM
This thread topic is a prime example of bitterness, anger, etc. and how we Christians are sifted like wheat by satan. I was hurting when I posted on the thread here about toxic friends. Some can be but the one I was speaking about I took out of context. The Lord showed me that I was being helped along the way by this person even though I did not agree with the persons attitude. I think we should >>>pray<<< before we come to the forum and post and yield to the Holy Spirit because at least for me , I bring old wounds here . Physical and emotional abuse doesn't go away completely. I had a rough 10 year marriage and I , alot of the time take things as a personal attack or take others out of context thinking they are against me in my thinking. Sometimes key words get triggered and I have a bit of a PTSD moment and am wounded all over again and attack back. This person is not toxic but misunderstood by me. I hope I am forgiven over time.
can anger,bitterness, self righteousness and hatred do to a person.
Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 02:58 PM
There are certainly some errors in all of the translations of God's Word in the Koine Greek which is inspired by God. By far the worst example is: After Mark 16:8 all of the major translations **EXCEPT THE KING JAMES VERSION** have a footnote which reads: "The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20."
And Mark 16:16-18: Wrongly states: "Whoever believes and is **BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED** .... And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and they will **DRINK DEADLY POISON, it will not hurt them at all; they will **PLACE THEIR HANDS** on sick people, and they will get well??"
By comparing other Scripture with these mistakes we know that Baptismal Regeneration is wrong and even in the early church not every saint spoke in other languages. and there is not one other Scripture that tells us to **DRINK DEADLY POISON** and to **PICK UP SNAKES** some of which are deadly. There is also a Scripture which contradicts **PLACING HANDS ON SICK PEOPLE WILL MAKE THEM WELL** in James 5:14,15!
Of course those denominations which believe in Baptismal Regeneration and many Charismatic churches believe these verses are the inspired words of God thus agreeing with the KJV version???
And so the KJV version is the only version that implies that the extremely Satanic Mark 16:16-18 are the inspired Words of God. The KJV version is also written in 16th Century English which is very hard for 20th Century Christians to understand.
The origin of the term **EASTER** for the feast of Christ’s Resurrection has been popularly considered to be from the Anglo-Saxon **EASTRE**, a goddess of spring and the evil Queen of Heaven. {Read Jeremiah 44:22-25!}
The KJV version is the only version that translates the Greek word **PASCHA** as **EASTER** in Acts 12:4 and all other major translations correctly translate the Greek word **PASCHA** as **PASSOVER**!! {Read Jeremiah 44::22-25!}
"The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." Which the KJV version claims is the inspired Word of God???
The KJV defenders also quote Colossians 1:14 which includes the blood of Christ in the KJV version and in all the other major translations the blood of Christ is not mentioned in Colossians 1:14. However the KJV version includes many verses which are not used in the most ancient manuscripts and which are rightfully not accepted by all the other major translations.
However, the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins is mentioned many times in the earliest Greek manuscripts such as:
Matthew 26:28: Jesus says, "This is **MY BLOOD** of the covenant, which is poured out for many **FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS**!"
Hebrews 9:12: He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by **HIS OWN BLOOD**, having obtained **ETERNAL REDEMPTION**!
Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with **BLOOD**, and without the shedding of **BLOOD** **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!
Ephesians 2:13: But now in Christ Jesus you who were once were far away have been brought near **THROUGH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST**!!
Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, **APART FROM THE LAW**, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes **THROUGH FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by **HIS GRACE** through the **REDEMPTION** that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a **SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT**, **THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD**!!
Colossians 1:15-20: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the **HEAD OF HIS BODY, THE CHURCH**; He is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, so that is **EVERYTHING HE MIGHT HAVE THE SUPREMACY**. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things **ON EARTH** or things in heaven, by making peace **THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, shed on the cross!!
Ephesians 1:3-8; 11: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with **EVERY** spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and **BLAMELESS** in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, **THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!!
I Peter 1:18,19: For you know that was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you by your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, Lamb without blemish or defect!!
Revelation 1:4,5: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful Witness... To Him who loves us and freed us from our sins **BY HIS BLOOD**!!
NOTE: Jesus Christ our Savior is called the **LAMB** of God **30 TIMES** in the book of Revelation because He did away with all lamb sacrifices for sin by the sacrifice of Himself!!
Revelation 5:6,9: Then I saw a **LAMB**, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne...You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because You were slain, and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** You purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!
Revelation 12:11: They overcame him by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!!
Revelation 7:14: These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation, they have was their robes and made them white in the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**!!
Romans 5:6-10: You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless. Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates His love for us in this: While we were still sinners Christ died for us. Since we are now justified **BY HIS BLOOD**, how much more will we be saved from God's wrath through Him! When we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to Him **THROUGH THE DEATH OF HIS SON**!!
