3. And Yah said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And Yah saw the light, that it was good: and Yah divided the light from the darkness.
5. And Yah called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and (plus) the (that) morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:14-16 (KJV)
14. And Yah said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And Yah made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Looking at Genesis 1:3-5, notice that it only mentions a literal singular light! This is HUGE in importance for later.
Zechlup claims 1:3-5 is not talking about the obvious sun and its light when he states - "The Text doesn't say God made the sun on day one. While it is an admittedly common mistake to conflate "light" with "sun" it is not what the Text says." Lol! He goes on to state in his "educated" wisdom - "This is called "reading into the Text"." That is hilarious reasoning of the subject in question and really just a cop out in not answering WHAT the text is actually saying! Lol!
Lets look at the Strongs.
Sun - Hebrew "shemish" #8121, brilliant - Sun. DUH!
Light - Hebrew "ma'or" #3974, luminous body, luminary. Sun would be a luminary! Double DUH!!
ANY weak debater would OWN Zechlup Einstein with only a concordance! What is a matter with you Zechlup??? You fall off your horse and hit your head?
So friends, since Zechlup does not have a clue what is being stated in Genesis 1:3-5, can I get an actual reasonable discussion from someone else as to the literial "light" that is being described in those verses?
But FIRST we can actually learn a lot from an atheist! This challenge from the atheist will actually answer (teach us) what is stated in Genesis 1:3-5 and to that of Genesis 1:14-16! So lets ANSWER the challenge by the atheists, I want to see how someone here on this forum would respond to an atheist, like I did. Remember we are to be witnesses to the lost! Question from atheist below.
"Atheists LOVE to make fun of Christians when they say "you worship a silly G_d that makes a sun on day one and another on day four" they proudly state in a puffed up chest, there is only one sun!"
Can I get an answer to it? Because Zechlup here does not have one, he dont know? Ha! He is a strawman theologian. Lol!
I understand your thinking, Zech, that God spoke and there could have been a big bang. The secular media won't tell you that it was God doing it. It is always by happenstance....like us..but God never said there was a bang at all...just things appeared as he spoke it into existence. Can you imagine doing that? I want a million dollars in my lap...no bang, just a million right there instantly..Try closing your eyes and imagine something you know to be in your home like your computer (smiles) and then pretend you spoke it into existence and then open your eyes and there it is..That is how I see creation. Not with a bang...Although I cannot prove there wasn't one. (Now Parrot will say I believe in the big bang) It is just that the Bible doesn't record one.
Here is something for atheists to ponder...
Have you ever seen an animal like a dog look at the sunset and enjoy it and marvel at the creation? No..why? Because we are made in his image. We are unique to creation. Why do people worship anything else when they don't have God? Because we are designed for worship.
We have no excuse. Didn't you quote that verse.? (smiles)
"God spoke! Bam! There was light! Sounds like a "Big Bang" to me."
end quote.
Notice the distractions from the topic of the thread AND what the Bible says on the subject of the "Independent Lights" found in Genesis. Avoid the subject at all cost because he has no answer! Like his secular pagan belief in "reincarnation" he now holds his "scientific" jesuit illuminati freemasons education dogma of the "Big Bang" (only a theory, just like "gravity" is) taught in grade
school, high school and colleges. Just can't see the forest for the trees in front of him! Pagan bookly educated!!!
"Nothing in the Big Bang theory contradicts Divine Creation or Intelligent Design"
Actually nothing could be further from the truth in that statement, you confused jesuit illuminati freemason taught disciple! Nothing went "BANG" when it was created, it was lovingly made with precision care! Sure it seems quick to us when He Creates and "speaks" it into existence but it was NOT a confusing explosion and a random chance of present existence! Wow, what ignorance!
Psalm 33:4,6,7,9 (KJV)
4. For the WORD of the Yahweh is right; and all His works are done in truth.
6. By the WORD of the Yahweh were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
7. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
9. For He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
"Oh my gosh people! God divided the light from the darkness - think black hole (total darkness without form and void) let there be light - black hole explodes releasing light and energy. Everything is now divided by the event horizon; light, energy and matter escapes on one side. The darkness on the other as it collapses back into a black hole - 1st day!"
end quote.
In all the days of my life here in Kansas, I have NEVER seen a cowboy on CRACK??? How do you ride a horse while on that STUFF??? Perhaps you grow or harvest peyote in the mountains there, maybe grind it up and put in in your bong??? Lol!
Friends this statement comes straight out of hollywood circus vids and Zechlup eats it up like a good little goyim! The truth of the matter IS he has no answer for Gen 1:3-5 to that of Gen 1:14-16! He is speechless as far as WHAT the Bible is concerned on the matter of study and subject at hand! So what does he do, he decides to have a hollywood circus hallucination! LMBO!
Oh and Zechlup did you forget about all the WATER in YOUR "black hole" of total darkness? Ooops!
Thanks for all the great posts about the corrupted other so called "books" that never were and never should be included with the canon.
P7744 posts - "So if God didn’t create the Sun and Moon until day 4, what was the light He created on day 1?"
Now those are the kind of reasoning questions I like to discuss. You surprised me by actually participating in this incredible study of truth! Time as we know it cannot exist without His Created sun for that purpose, right? The sun is His DAY clock that started time on the flat enclosed earth, circling above us, when He started it in motion. Time cannot happen without motion! Correct? So there has to be a clock started in Gen 1:3 for Creation week as we know it written in His WORD. Right?
P7744 posts - "Also, evenings and mornings are determined by the rising and setting of the sun are they not?"
Noticed how you tell the Biblical truth here that its the rising and setting of the sun (motion) that causes the evenings plus the mornings that the Bible clearly says so! THEN you contradict yourself by your schooled jesuit illuminati freemasons education dogma when you state - "Evenings and mornings are not really created by the rising and setting of the Sun. They’re created by the rotation of the Earth on it’s axis" end quote.
Why is it you have ZERO Scripture evidence to support your schooled theory that the flat earth is spinning like a top, somehow gluing TONS and TONS of water to a wet beach ball?
P7744 posts - "The answer lies in the comparison of the Hebrew language in Genesis 1:3 with that of Genesis 1:16. In the first instance the word for light is "owr" which means light. In the second it’s "mowr" which is a light repository, literally a candle stick or chandelier."
I already covered those Hebrew words in the start of my thread and more, did you not see them? You left the definition of the "sun" which is a light, out of your "Hebrew language" examination. Sun - Hebrew word "shemish" #8121, brilliant - Sun.
Also notice "ma'or" #3974, says "luminous body, luminary." and Hebrew word "owr" #216, says "day, illumination, morning light, luminary, SUN." meaning the same in "light" but of course there are two luminous bodies stated in Gen 1:14-16. Yahweh says He "sets" those lights "in the firmament" (the tent dome) of heaven! No not "outer space " is a sun 93 million miles away! Lol!
P7744 posts -"So God created the light on day 1 and separated it from the darkness, permitting the distinction between day and night."
AMEN!!! Then it get a little weird below. :o(
P7744 posts - "Then He gathered the light into one location (the Sun) on day 4, where it’s been ever since."
What on flat earth does that mean? He gathers the light into one location (the Sun) on day 4 but NOT day one??? Please explain?
Please explain to us how the moon self illuminates and how it goes through phases of illumination. 