Thread: **CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
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**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 9 Aug, 2019 06:55 PM
Titus 1:6-9: An **ELDER** must be blameless, faithful to **HIS** wife, a **MAN** whose children believe... Since an **OVERSEER** manages God's household, **HE** must be blameless... **HE** must **HOLD FIRMLY** to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that **HE** can encourage others by **SOUND DOCTRINE and **REFUTE THOSE** WHO OPPOSE IT**.
I Timothy 5:17: The **ELDERS** who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is **PREACHING ** and **TEACHING**!
I Timothy 3:1 Whoever desires to be an **OVERSEER** desires a noble task. Now the **OVERSEER**is to be above reproach, faithful to **HIS** wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and **ABLE TO TEACH**!!
I Peter 5:1-4: To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ's sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed. Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them--not because you must, but because you are willing as God wants you to be, not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve, not lording over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!
Ephesians 4:7,11-13,16: To each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it... So Christ Himself {Not the church!} gives some to be apostles, some to be **PROPHETS**, some to be **EVAMGELISTS** and some to be **PASTORS** and **TEACHERS**, to equip His people for works of service. so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ... From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work!
Romans 12:4-7: We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is **PROPHESYING**, then prophesy in accordance with your faith, if it is **TEACHING**,**THEN TEACH**!
Titus 2:1-8,11-15: You, however, must **TEACH** what is appropriate to sound doctrine. Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. Likewise teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to **TEACH** what is good. Then they can urge younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one can malign the word of God. Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your **TEACHING** show integrity, seriousness, and soundness of speech that can not be condemned.... For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It **TEACHES** us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly pleasure, and to live self-controlled lives in this present age, while we wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are His very own, eager to do what is good!
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 10 Aug, 2019 02:08 PM
You have no need of any man to teach you. 1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You must remember when Jesus said to Peter , feed my sheep it was before the Church was established. Now it has been over 2,000 years. We have a complete bible to study and see him as he is. The gifts were to mature them as the bride.
In verse 13a we note that, based upon their function, there was a time-limit for how long
God would permit these gifts to last: the Greek word for "until" here is mekris which means
as far as or up to a certain point (Thayer & Strong [3360])
You must remember that Parrot is using a new age bible.. I am sure you have grace for him for that reason alone, right Zech?.
Parrot quote:
**ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED**
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Unless it's a new age bible. Then it's Westcott and Hort breathed from satan. Do your homework ! This is too important!
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 10 Aug, 2019 02:18 PM
All of what Paul wrote about in Ephesians 4:7-8 & 11-13 (as well as 1 Cor. 13:8-12) was for
the purpose of which he concluded in 4:14-16: "So that we should no longer be children,
tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men in
the cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive, but speaking the truth in love
may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—by whom the whole body,
joined and knit together by what every joint supplies according to the effective working by
which every part does it share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."
One thing that seems as clear as can be is that the supernatural gifts of which Paul wrote would
pass simultaneously with the time when all revelation—the (objective) faith—had been delivered,
at the same time when the bride was whole and prepared for her Groom to be married around
the time of the events of AD 70 when the old bride had been removed once and for all time. This
makes perfect sense with what Paul wrote in First Corinthians 1:4-8: "I thank my God always concerning you for the grace [gift] of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus [via the Spirit He
sent to you], that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, even
as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting
for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ who will also confirm you to the end that you may be
blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." Wow! Amazing how it all fits together.
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 10 Aug, 2019 02:28 PM
**THERE ARE ONLY TWO **LORD'S DAYS** or **DAYS OF THE LORD** IN GOD'S WORD**!!
In God's Word there are only **TWO** days which are called the **DAY OF THE LORD** or **LORD'S DAY**. The first **LORD's DAY is when Jesus was resurrected from the dead on **APRIL 5TH**, AD 33 and the second **LORD'S DAY** or the **DAY OF THE LORD** will be when Jesus resurrects all of His saints on the **LAST DAY** of the 1260-day Great Tribulation. And John received the great **REVELATION OF GOD** on the 63rd anniversary of the first **LORD'S DAY** on **APRIL 5TH** AD 96 as per:
Revelation 1:9,10: I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and Kingdom and patiuent endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos {A Roman prison} because of the Word of God and the the testimony of Jesus on the **LORD'S DAY**!
We know that Domitian Caesar decreed in the last year of his life from September AD 95 to September AD 96, that everyone in the Roman empire must worship former idols of Roman Caesar's or be put in prison. And the only **LORD's DAY** in that times span was on the 63rd anniversary of the first **LORD'S DAY** on **APRIL 5TH**, AD 96!!
I Corinthians 15:20-24: Christ has indeed has been raised from the dead {On **APRIL 5TH**, AD 33}, the **FIRSTFRUITS** of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the **RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD** comes also through a Man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ **ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE**. But each in turn: Christ the **FIRSTFRUITS**, then, **WHEN HE COMES** {On the 2nd **LORD'S DAY**} those who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father!
I Thessalonians 4:16-18; 5:1-5: For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command , with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words. Now, brothers about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the **DAY OF THE LORD**{Above} will come like a theif in the night {To unbelievers} While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly and they will not escape. But you brothers are not in darkness so the this **DAY** {*OF THE LORD*} should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the **DAY** {*OF THE LORD*}.
Since God's saints alive through the 1260-day Great Tribulation will know the **DAY OF THE LORD** will take place on the **LAST DAY** of the 1260-day Great Tribulation!!
And all the saints of the **DAY OF THE LORD** will also know the last minutes of when the Lord Jesus will come as per:
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will appear the sign of the Son of Manin heaven. And all the {Lost} peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouda of the heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds 'To the ends of the earth."}
Revelation 6:15-17: Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free hid in the caves in the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the **LAMB**! For the **GREAT DAY** of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?"
And right after the marriage Feast of the **LAMB** Jesus will mount a great white horse and all of His saints will follow Him on heavenly white horses and they will conquer all the evil kings of 666 and their armies as per Revelation 19:7-20!
Revelation 17:14: They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will triumph over them because He is **KING**of kings and **LORD** of lords and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFULL** followers! {Riding heavenly white horses on the last **LORD'S DAY** or **DAY OF THE LORD**!!
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the **DAY OF THE LORD** will come like a thief {To the Lost} The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything will be burned up. ... You ought to live holy lives as you look forward to that **DAY OF GOD**... But in keeping with His promise **WE** are looking forward to a **NEW HEAVEN and a **NEW EARTH*, where righteousness dwells!
**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a **NEW HEAVEN** and a **NEW EARTH**, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are **TRUSTWORTHY AND TRUE**!"
Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the **LAMB** {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are **TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE**!!”
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 11 Aug, 2019 01:37 PM
Parrot..
Ok, lets ride this train..your quote
Revelation 1:9,10: I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and Kingdom and patiuent endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos {A Roman prison} because of the Word of God and the the testimony of Jesus on the **LORD'S DAY**!
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We must remember two vital facts about the book of Revelation: First, it is a book of prophecy primarily concerning the time of Christ's coming and the events that lead up to it (Revelation 1:1-3, 7). Second, it is written by a Jew steeped in the language of the Old Testament. To him, the phrase en teé kuriakeé heeméra ("on the Lord's day")—and its Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent—would imply what is called in the Old Testament "the Day of the Lord," the time of the coming destruction that ends in the return of Christ (Isaiah 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 11, 31; Amos 5:18; etc.).
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 11 Aug, 2019 01:41 PM
Forgot to add this.. Sounds different than your translation Parrot. Check your bible. I bet you are still using Westcott and Hort!
Revelation 1:10-20 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
**CHRIST HIMSELF APPOINTS SOME TO BE PROPHETS, SOME TO BE EVANGELISTS AND SOME TO BE PASTORS AND TEACHERS** EPHESIANS 4:7,11:
Posted : 11 Aug, 2019 03:51 PM
**THE PRETERISTS LIKE KJVONLY BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING EVENTS TOOK PLACE IN AD 70**?
Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"
The **PRETERISTS** believe this was only 1 Question??
The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains!:
Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!
All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46
**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!
The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????
In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”
Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!
Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"
Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}
Any honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must all take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all these events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!!
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"
Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must akll take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all,the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!
