God chose Koine Greek because it is by far the easiest language to translate and has an amazing 456 verb endings making it by far the most exact language. "I would have gone fishing," is just one word in Koine Greek!! Even the Old Testament was translated into Koine Greek in the Septuagint version in the 3rd Century BC. Every Old Testament quote in the New Testament is an exact quote from the Koine Greek Septuagint version.
I studied Koine Greek in college and am not a Koine Greek scholar but I know how to find out the exact meaning of a word in the New testament in Koine Greek by the use of my concordances which include the Koine Greek and by knowing exactly where to go on the internet.
GNWS claims that a **DISCIPLE** is just a "learner" or "student", but when you explore all the verses mentioning disciples in the New Testament we find out that disciples are **MUCH MORE** than just learners or students:
Richard, since you had studied koine greek in college, you should be able to translate the scriptures i posted.
Any first year Greek student should be able to translate what i posted.
By the way, just because i ONLY have a GED, i dropped out of high school, as my life was more important than the riots in the school.
I had taken all 5 of the GED tests in 5 hours while in the Army.
I did not remember taking the tests as i was so hungover from drinking the night before.
Where in the Scriptures does GOD Almighty require anyone to have a degree in Biblical languages.
"Now Teddyhugger does not believe in eternal torment in Hell??"
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Of course not Richard, because the two words ("Eternal" and "Torment") you use together are NEVER used together! We have had this discussion before! Remember? You even THEN combined the two words of "eternal" and "hell" in other threads! Example below.
Like when you posted;
"Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: If anyone ADDS {Like the RC popes} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including ETERNAL HELL} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {Like the RC popes} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."
Do you see it folks? P7744 inserted "ETERNAL HELL" right into that very verse above!
Now he is doing again with the two words together of "eternal" and "torment" in like fashion in this thread. Will he ever learn???
Do the simple word search yourself in a concordance friends! The word "Eternal" is listed 47 times in my concordance and the word "Hell" is listed 54 times. AND the word "torment" is listed 11 times! NOT ONCE does the Bible combine those two words together!
"Now Teddyhugger does not believe in eternal torment in Hell??"
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The lake of fire is a symbol of eternal destruction. It is the same as Gehenna, but it is different from hell, which is the common grave of mankind.
Not a literal lake
The five Bible verses that mention “the lake of fire” show it to be a symbol rather than a literal lake. (Revelation 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8) The following are cast into the lake of fire:
The Devil. (Revelation 20:10) As a spirit creature, the Devil cannot be harmed by literal fire.—Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:20.
Death. (Revelation 20:14) This is not a literal entity but represents a state of inactivity, the absence of life. (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Death cannot literally be burned.
“The wild beast” and “the false prophet.” (Revelation 19:20) Since these are symbols, doesn’t it seem reasonable to conclude that the lake they are thrown into is also a symbol?—Revelation 13:11, 12; 16:13.
A red hot lake of fire covered with smoke and flames
What Is the Lake of Fire? Is It the Same as Hell or Gehenna?
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The Bible’s answer
The lake of fire is a symbol of eternal destruction. It is the same as Gehenna, but it is different from hell, which is the common grave of mankind.
Not a literal lake
The five Bible verses that mention “the lake of fire” show it to be a symbol rather than a literal lake. (Revelation 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8) The following are cast into the lake of fire:
The Devil. (Revelation 20:10) As a spirit creature, the Devil cannot be harmed by literal fire.—Exodus 3:2; Judges 13:20.
Death. (Revelation 20:14) This is not a literal entity but represents a state of inactivity, the absence of life. (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Death cannot literally be burned.
“The wild beast” and “the false prophet.” (Revelation 19:20) Since these are symbols, doesn’t it seem reasonable to conclude that the lake they are thrown into is also a symbol?—Revelation 13:11, 12; 16:13.
A symbol of eternal destruction
The Bible says that the lake of fire “means the second death.” (Revelation 20:14; 21:8) The first kind of death mentioned in the Bible resulted from Adam’s sin. This death can be reversed by resurrection and will eventually be eliminated by God.—1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 26.
There is no release from the symbolic lake of fire
The lake of fire represents a different, or second, kind of death. Although it too represents a state of total inactivity, it is different in that the Bible says nothing about a resurrection from the second death. For example, the Bible says that Jesus has “the keys of hell and of death,” showing that he has the authority to release people from the death brought by Adam’s sin. (Revelation 1:18; 20:13, King James Version) However, neither Jesus nor anyone else has a key to the lake of fire. That symbolic lake represents eternal punishment in the form of permanent destruction.—2 Thessalonians 1:9.
Identical to Gehenna, the Valley of Hinnom
Gehenna (Greek geʹen·na) is mentioned 12 times in the Bible. Like the lake of fire, it is a symbol of eternal destruction. Although some translations render this word as “hell,” Gehenna is different from hell (Hebrew sheʼohlʹ, Greek haiʹdes).
Identical to Gehenna, the Valley of Hinnom
Gehenna (Greek geʹen·na) is mentioned 12 times in the Bible. Like the lake of fire, it is a symbol of eternal destruction. Although some translations render this word as “hell,” Gehenna is different from hell (Hebrew sheʼohlʹ, Greek haiʹdes).
The ancient valley of Hinnom outside the wall of Jerusalem with a fire constantly burning
The Valley of Hinnom
The word “Gehenna” literally means “Valley of Hinnom,” referring to a valley just outside Jerusalem. In Bible times, the city residents used this valley as a garbage dump. They kept a fire constantly burning there to destroy refuse; maggots consumed anything that the fire did not reach.
Jesus used Gehenna as a symbol of everlasting destruction. (Matthew 23:33) He said that in Gehenna “the maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.” (Mark 9:47, 48) He thus alluded to the conditions in the Valley of Hinnom and also to the prophecy at Isaiah 66:24, which says: “They will go out and look on the carcasses of the men who rebelled against me; for the worms on them will not die, and their fire will not be extinguished.” Jesus’ illustration describes, not torture, but complete annihilation. The worms and fire consume carcasses, or dead bodies, not living people.
The Bible gives no indication of any return from Gehenna. “The lake of fire” and “the fiery Gehenna” both represent permanent, everlasting destruction.—Revelation 20:14, 15; 21:8; Matthew 18:9.
How “tormented day and night forever and ever”?
If the lake of fire is a symbol of destruction, why does the Bible say that in it the Devil, the wild beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night forever and ever”? (Revelation 20:10) Consider four reasons why this torment does not refer to literal torture:
For the Devil to be tortured eternally, he would have to be kept alive forever. However, the Bible says that he will be brought to nothing, or put out of existence.—Hebrews 2:14.
Everlasting life is a gift from God, not a punishment.—Romans 6:23.
The wild beast and the false prophet are symbols and cannot experience literal torture.
The context of the Bible indicates that the torment of the Devil is everlasting restraint or destruction.
The word used for “torment” in the Bible can also mean “a condition of restraint.” For example, the Greek word for “tormentors” used at Matthew 18:34 is rendered as “jailers” in many translations, showing the connection between the words “torment” and “restraint.” Likewise, the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:30, 31 equate “torment” with “the abyss,” a figurative place of complete inactivity or death. (Romans 10:7; Revelation 20:1, 3) In fact, several times the book of Revelation uses the word “torment” in a symbolic sense.—Revelation 9:5; 11:10; 18:7, 10.
Lets look at the obvious of what you accuse others of doing and NOW we will show CRYSTAL CLEAR evidence of what "ADDING" to the Word of Yah is, in quoting what YOU posted below!
"Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: If anyone ADDS {Like the RC popes} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including ETERNAL HELL} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {Like the RC popes} from
this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."
Do you see it folks? P7744 inserted "ETERNAL HELL" right into that very verse he states "ADDING WORD'S " in the Bible IS like "AN UMPARDONABLE SIN" in P7744's very own wording in other threads!
Richard here is CLEARLY "ADDING" to the words in the Bible!
Do the simple word search yourself in a concordance friends! The word "Eternal" is listed 47 times in my concordance and the word "Hell" is listed 54 times. NOT ONCE does the Bible combine those two words together!
Oh and "Torment" is listed 11 times
Richard (P7744) here is CLEARLY "ADDING" to the words in the Bible and HAS committed "AN UMPARDONABLE SIN" according to Richard (P7744) himself, stated in other threads! Richard has self convicted himself and he cannot even repent because he has committed "AN UMPARDONABLE SIN" by Richard's very own words and standards, there is no forgiveness Richard states. So he is doomed according to Richard (P7744) in the one day made lake of fire and certain death in that lake of fire. Quite sad that Richard would do such a thing by his very own words he posted before! OUCH!
Why the website DRIBBLE which is spot on in some places and causes confusion for readers in other places!
Use your own words backed by Scripture! Be a student of the WORD. That was a very windy, and some of it confusing of the definitions of "Hell" and "Torment" and WHAT is "Eternal" on that website! Let alone the trash site outside Jerusalem in comparison to it all.
I thought the comparison to the trash heap to be a clear indicator of the lake of fire and it was in the context to the time of Jesus who made the comparison!!
Is this an attack because I agreed with Parrot for once? Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter who's mouth it comes from!
I posted it because I have studied the book of revelation and agreed with the article.
I thought Teddy. that what you said about hell , eternity and torment was spot on according to your concordance. I also thought along with my post , it pretty much summed it up , no? is there a rule against posting articles?
Some people here may be or are fresh students and it may help them to know that there is not an eternal, burning furnace awaiting them if they don't accept Jesus out of fear of eternal torment.
It's all about giving the message , right? To help them on their way to salvation. Why shoot the messenger.?
Now Teddyhugger does not believe in eternal torment in Hell??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But the Beast {666} was captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the Beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were **THROWN ALIVE INTO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR**.... And the Devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be **TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!!
Revelation 14:9-11: The angel said in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives the mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. They will be **TORMENTED WITH BURNING SULFUR** in the presence of the holy angels and the **LAMB**. And the smoke of **THEIR TORMENT WILL RISE FOR EVER AND EVER**. There will be **NO REST DAY OR NIGHT** for those who worship the Beast!!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.... I warn everyone who reads the words of this prophecy of this book. If anyone**ADDS** {Like Teddyhugger} anything to them, God will add to them all the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell like Rev 14:9-11 & Rev 20:10 above}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like Teddyhugger}} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
So here we see that anyone who **ADDS* words to the prophecies in Revelation that God will **ADD* to him all the plagues described in the Book of Revelation which would include eternal torment in hell mentioned in Rev 14:9-11 and Rev 20; 10 listed above!!
Matthew 25:41,46: "Then Jesus will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the **ETERNAL FIRE** prepared for the Devil and his angels.... Then they will go away to **ETERNAL PUNISHMENT**, but the righteous to **ETERNAL LIFE**!!
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9: Jesus will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with **EVERLASTING** destruction!!
Daniel 12:1,2: There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the {**LAMB'S**} Book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to **EVERLASTING LIFE**, others to shame and **EVERLASTING CONTEMPT**!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for those who do not accept **MY WORDS*, the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the Last Day!!"
And those who do accept the Words of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ on everlasting torment in Hell have committed an unpardonable sins off **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the **WORD OF GOD**!!
And so God's Word clearly shows when the lost are thrown **ALIVE** into the **FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR** they will be:
**TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER** {Revelation 20:10 above}
**THEIR TORMENT WILL RISE FOR EVER AND EVER AND THEY WILL HAVE NO REST DAY OR NIGHT** {Revelation 14:9-11 above}
**THEY WILL HAVE SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT** {Daniel 12:2 above}
**THEY WILL HAVE ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN THE ETERNAL FIRE** {Matthew 25:41,46 above}
