Thread: WHO says it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a trinitarian God?
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WHO says it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a trinitarian God?
Posted : 1 Jul, 2019 08:49 AM
This isn't a question if Jesus is God or not. Nor is it a question if God sent Jesus or not. Nor is it a question of the Trinity or not. This is a question to make you THINK. It is a reality check question. The question is WHO teaches it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a Trinitarian God?
WHO says it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a trinitarian God?
Posted : 1 Jul, 2019 06:34 PM
**WE ARE BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD** 1 Peter 1:23
Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among your fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them **EVERYTHING** I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name!!"
John 14:21-24: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me... Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them.. Anyone who does not love Me {Like *SAD*lup} will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!" {See Deut 18:17-19 above}
Luke 6:46-49: Jesus says, "As for everyone who comes to Me and hears **MY WORDS** and **PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE**. I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid foundation on rock. When the flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears **MY WORDS** and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete!"
I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands {Like *SAD*lup} is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's love is truly made complete in him!
Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man does not live on bread alone, but on **EVERY WORD FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD**!"
Luke 8:15: Jesus says, "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the **WORD**, retain it, and by perseverance produce a crop."
John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"
Romans 10:17: Consequently, **FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE**, and the message is heard **THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST**!
James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!
I Corinthians 15:2: By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the **WORD** preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain!
Ephesians 1:13: You also were included in Christ **WHEN** you heard the **WORD** of Truth, the gospel of your salvation.
Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!
Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the **WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS**!
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
I Thessalonians 2:13: We thank God continually because, when you received the **WORD OF GOD**, which you heard from us, you received it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the **WORD OF GOD**!
Acts 17:11,12: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and **EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY**... As a result many of them believed!!
Psalm 118:147,148: I rise before dawn and cry for help; I have put my hope in **YOUR WORD**! My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I might meditate on **YOUR PROMISES**!!
2 Timothy 2:15: Do your best to present yourselves to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who **CORRECTLY HANDLES THE WORD ** of truth!
2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}
**DOES GOD"S WORD SAY THAT **ADDING** OR **TAKING WORD'S AWAY** FROM GOD's WORD IS AN UMPARDONABLE SIN**??
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the **WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK**: If anyone **ADDS** {Like *SAD*lup} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like *Sad*lup} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."
John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus told him to write!!
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on ***EARTH*** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {The entire NT} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”
WHO says it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a trinitarian God?
Posted : 2 Jul, 2019 12:10 PM
Actually *SAD*lup your extremely Satanic teachings are not believed by any of the born again Christian believers in this **CHRISTIAN**forum! Your Jewish doctrines would be gladly accepted on any Jewish Forum but are completely obnoxious in a **CHRISTIAN** forum.
Some of your Jewish beliefs include:
***That our great God and Savior Jesus Christ is not God and His blood does not make Atonement for our sins.
*** That Jesus did not change any OT Laws.
***That Paul was a **WICKED** man and none of his books are inspired by God which is about half of the New Testament.
**That we are saved by **GOOD WORKS** including keeping all of the OT Laws.
Your Satanic beliefs have been rejected by all of the born again Christians on this forum!!
My posts are about 95 percent the Living Word of God which totally refutes all your Satanic teachings.
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that **FAITH** has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, **APART FROM THE LAW**, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes **THROUGH FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by **HIS GRACE** through the **REDEMPTION** that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a **SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT**, **THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD**!!
Ephesians 2:6-19: For it is by grace you are saved, through **FAITH**---and this is **NOT** from yourselves, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**---not by works so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!
Titus 2:11-14: For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say "No," to ungodliness and worldly passion and to live self-controlled **UPRIGHT AND GODLY LIVES** in this present age, while we wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR** Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to **REDEEM** and to purify Himself a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, **EAGER TO DO WHAT IS GOOD**!!
**SAD**lup does not believe that Jesus is God and that His blood atones for our sins for if Jesus was just a human being His blood could not make **ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!
Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us **ALL**! {Both OT and NT SAINTS since the OT animal sacrifices could never take away sins!!!}
WHO says it is mandatory for salvation to believe Jesus is a trinitarian God?
Posted : 4 Jul, 2019 06:02 AM
**INTERESTING QUOTES BY **SAD**LUP**:
"To me; salvation is found in believing and following Christ and doing his teachings."
"The teachings of Jesus did not even make one change in the OT LAW!"???
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
**JESUS MADE MANY AMAZING AND TOUGHER CHANGES TO OLD TESTAMENT MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE LAWS**!!
Matthew 5:27,28,31,32 Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already **COMMITTED ADULTERY** with her in his heart. {This sin of adultery is not mentioned in the OT!!}
This would include pictures or videos of a woman on Television or the Internet or in pornography!!
Matthew 19:3-9: Some Pharisees came to Jesus to test Him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," Jesus replied, "That at the beginning the Creator made them male and female' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therfore what God has joined together, let no one separate." Why then the Pharisees asked, did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because **YOUR HEARTS WERE HARD**, but it was not this way from the beginning. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery!"
I the Old Testament you could divorce your wife for almost any reason by just giving her a certificate of divorce as per Deuteronomy 24:1,3. Actually it is almost impossible in the New Testament to divorce your wife if she is a believer, since Jesus also said in Matthew 18:22 that you should forgive your brother or wife not 7 times but 77 times which can also be translated 7 times 70 times!!
And according to I Corinthians 7:12-15 you can only divorce an unbelieving wife if she leaves you even though you have been a good husband.
I Corinthians 7:12,13,15: If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, **HE MUST NOT DIVORCE HER**. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, **SHE MUST NOT DIVORCE HIM**!... But if an unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances. God has called us to live in peace!
Deuteronomy 24:1: If a man marries a woman who becomes **DISPLEASING TO HIM** because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and **SENDS HER FROM HIS HOUSE**!
Where as Jesus commands that you can only divorce your wife because of sexual immorality and a man must also forgive his wife from that sin 77 times or 7 times 70 times. And then if the woman is **WILLING TO LIVE WITH HIM** HE MUST NOT DIVORCE HER!!
And Jesus says in Matthew 19:8: "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because **YOUR HEARTS WERE HARD**!!"
In the Old Testament King David had 8 wives and Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines??? But in the New Testament you can have only **ONE WIFE**!!As per I Corinthians 7:2; ! Timothy 3:2,12 and Titus 1:6.
While **SAD**lup teaches that Jesus didn't even make one change to OT Law????
