Romans 11:6� And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.�
God's grace in Christ is not based on works or law.
Romans 6:14� For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace
Works and law are contrary to God's grace.
Be kind: Keep your posts short, quote no more than two verses per post. If you can't do that, open your own "new topic." Thanks for helping with this discussion. I'll be honest with you, if you post a ton of verses, I don't read your posts.
The meaning of these words in the Greek dictionary.
114. atheteó ►
Strong's Concordance
atheteó: to do away with what has been laid down, set aside
Original Word: ἀθετέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: atheteó
Phonetic Spelling: (ath-et-eh'-o)
Definition: to do away with what has been laid down, set aside
Usage: I annul, make of no effect, set aside, ignore, slight; I break faith with.
HELPS Word-studies
114 athetéō (literally, a-thetos, "un-place") – properly, do away with; reject what is already laid down; to set aside (disregard as spurious); nullify, make void; to break faith (Abbott-Smith); remove out of an appointed (proper) place, i.e. reject as invalid; refuse to respect (even "despise"); to cancel, disannul, abrogate (passive, "be set aside" because perceived to lack value); to disregard, pass over (refuse to acknowledge).
Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , He saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!
I John 4:10-12: This is **LOVE**, not that we loved God, but that He **LOVED** us and sent His Son as an **ATONING SACRIFICE** for our sins.
John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, **NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION** or a husband's will but, **BORN OF GOD**!!
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through **FAITH**�and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**�not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
Romans 12:3: For by the **GRACE GIVEN ME** I say to every one of you. Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourselves with sober judgment, in accordance with the **FAITH GOD HAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU**... We have different gifts, according to the **GRACE GIVEN TO EACH OF US**!!
Romans 9:15,16,18: God says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy...Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. {But God's saints still preach God's Word to everyone}
John 15:16: Jesus says, You did not choose Me, but I **CHOSE YOU**and appointed you so that you might bear **FRUIT**--**FRUIT** that will last!!
John 13:18: Jesus says, "I am not referring to all of you, I know those I have **CHOSEN**!
Ephesians 1:4-8; 11,12: In love He **PREDESTINED** us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One He loves, In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding... In Him we were also **CHOSEN**, having been **PREDESTINED** in accordance to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity to the purpose of His will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be to the **PRAISE OF HIS GLORY**!!
I Thessalonians 1:4: For we know, brothers loved by God, that He has **CHOSEN YOU**, because our Gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction!
I Peter 2:9: But you are a **CHOSEN PEOPLE**, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you might declare the praise of Him who **CALLED YOU** out of darkness into His wonderful light!!
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {Riding on white horses right after the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB** as per Revelation 19:7-20!}
Salvation is free to who the Lord gives salvation to, then they must give their lives away fearlessly and without accusing the right ways of the Lord as Gods examples are perfect as are His Sons and Daughters..
Look at the terrible sins of Peter. Peter savoured the things of men, not the things of God. Peter even wanted Jesus to not lay His life down for the world. Jesus showed to Peter and us all, we cannot save our life or we lose it, we need to take up our cross and deny ourselves. Peter also denied knowing Jesus because Jesus said all the sheep will be scattered when the shepherd is smitten.
Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mark 14:72 And the second time the cockerel crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cockerel crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
The Apostles received power after the Holy Ghost came upon them, then they are witnesses, (not denying any more) to Christ in Jerusalem and Judaea and Peter and the Apostles were gathered together in a room, and they had fear of the Jews, and Christ breathed on them the Holy Ghost which transformed them, and now they will not seek to save their lives or as Peter trying to save the life of Jesus, now they deny through the Holy Ghost themselves and their own lives...
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
Peter became bold through the Holy Ghost now given to Him, telling the same message as Jesus for us to have our sins blotted out, how we must hear all things whatsoever He said to us, because every soul that will not hear Christ shall be destroyed. Jesus came to bless us by turning us away from our iniquities, not by showing us how to pray and remain in them, that is relevant for anyone not born of the Holy Spirit..
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Peter did terrible and wrong when denying the Lord, and we also are terrible if we remain denying the Lord and ask for forgiveness as someone claims. Peter filled with the Holy Ghost now does this completely new way, preaches to Jerusalem, to the ones who murdered Christ, showing that Peter is now Bold in the Lord, no longer fearing the Jews is the evident change through receiving the Holy Ghost..
Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
The chief priests threatened the Apostles to not speak in the name of Jesus any more, now they can obey God and not man, fearing the Lord and not fearing man, through the Spirit of Christ in them or we fear to save our lives, and Peter answered how they cannot speak anything but what thy have heard and seen with God.
Acts 4:17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
That overcame the chief priests and rulers of Jerusalem, and overcame the world which could not fight against the Holy Ghost and the boldness to speak was granted to the Holy Apostles..
Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Men of this world do not like or agree to the right ways and testimonies of the Lord, it is nothing new for hem to contradict and blaspheme..
Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
People even accused Moses, because they are not afraid to accuse dignities as they fulfil now also..
Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
2 And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.
3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Why are they not afraid to speak and accuse against the Lords dignities?
2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
It is testified in this world how the Lord chose Peter and even rescued Him personally, should we not be afraid to accuse the Lords servant who is even greater than Moses?
Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Acts 12:6 And when Herod would have brought him forth, the same night Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains: and the keepers before the door kept the prison.
7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.
8 And the angel said unto him, Gird thyself, and bind on thy sandals. And so he did. And he saith unto him, Cast thy garment about thee, and follow me.
9 And he went out, and followed him; and wist not that it was true which was done by the angel; but thought he saw a vision.
10 When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel departed from him.
11 And when Peter was come to himself, he said, Now I know of a surety, that the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews.
For the accusers who refuse to listen..
Matthew 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
"The ones born of God therefore, **SIN NOT**"{???} Adam7777 also claims that we are completely sanctified and **NO LONGER SIN** the very moment we are saved.{???}
Joyce Meyer also claims that she **NO LONGER SINS** in this taped message:
�I�m going to tell you something folks, I didn�t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn�t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that�s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I�m righteous and I can�t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time � All I was ever taught to say was, �I�m a poor, miserable sinner.� I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?�
**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO **WALK AS JESUS WALKED** {SEE JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY **AS GOD IS HOLY** {SEEI PETER 1;15,16], WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!
I John 2:6: Whoever claims to live in Him **MUST** live as Jesus did!!
The following Words of God are not found in the Bibles of Joyce Meyer and Adam7777:
I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin {Like Joyce Meyer and Adam7777}, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. **IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US**!!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'" {Adam7777, Joyce Meyer and Satan refuse to ask forgiveness for their sins!}
God only remembers born from above believers sins no more once they get to heaven. But before they get to heaven believers have to repent and ask God to forgive their sins in order to stay in a very close relationship with God!
Matthew 18:21,22: Peter asked Jesus, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive **MY BROTHER** who sins against me?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times but seventy seven times!" {77 times can also be translated 70 times 7 or 490 times!!}
**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**!!
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and repent!!"
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** {Like Peter and David} He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? IF YOU ARE NOT DISCIPLINED AND **EVERYONE** UNDERGOES DISCIPLINE--THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITMATE--NOT TRUE SONS AND DAUGHTERS AT ALL**!! Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
**THE TERRIBLE SINS OF PETER AN APOSTLE OF GOD**
Matthew 16:21-23: From that time on Jesus began to tell His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!" Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me, you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns!"
Matthew 26:33-35: Peter said to Jesus, "Even if all fall away on account of You, I never will!" Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you this very night , before the rooster crows, you will deny Me 3 times!' But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with You, I will never disown you!"
Matthew 26:69-75: Now Peter was sitting in the courtyard, and a servant girl came to him. "You also were with Jesus of Galilee," she said. But Peter denied it before them all. "I don't know what you are talking about," he said. Then Peter went out to the gateway, where another servant girl saw him and said to the people there, "This fellow was with Jesus of Nazareth." Peter denied it again, with an oath: "I don't know the man!" After a little while, those standing there went up to Peter and said. "Surely you are one of them, your accent gives you away." Then Peter began to call down curses, and swore to them, "I don't know the man." Immediately a rooster crowed. Then Peter remembered the words Jesus had spoken. "Before the rooster crows you will disown Me 3 times!" And Peter went outside and wept bitterly.
Galatians 2:11-16,19,21: When Peter came to Antioch I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all. "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified." ... "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God....I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!!"
And yet God chose Peter to preach the sermon when 3,000 Jews were saved on the Day of Pentecost and is mentioned doing good works 70 times in the book of Acts. God also inspired Peter to write two wonderful books in the God's Word named I Peter and 2 Peter!!
And Peter surely repented from his terrible sins and asked God to forgive him as Jesus commanded!!
I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin {Like Joyce Meyer and Adam7777}, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. **IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED {Like Adam7777} WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US**!!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'" {Adam7777, Joyce Meyer and Satan refuse to ask forgiveness for their sins!}
Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man shall live by **EVERY WORD** that comes from the mouth of God!!"
I agree with this thread in that it says we are saved by grace apart from the works of the law. This point is biblical.
The book of Galatians concurs and was written in part to explain salvation by grace alone apart from false works or works of the law which cannot save.
But the book of James explains the proper value of faith-works because true faith inevitably produces works consistent with its genuiness. In other words, a person’s faith is proven by what he does. Similarly, Ephesians says: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Ephesians 2:10
Romans 6:1 refutes the attitude of living in sin because of a false sense of “grace”. This view, referenced by the antinomian heresy, assumes that a life of habitual sinning is justifiable based an errant rendering of, “we’re no longer under law but under grace”.
In our Bibles Galatians 2:21 ends chapter 2. Let us look further at the next few verses.
3:2� This only I wish to learn from you, was it out of/by works of law that you received the Spirit, or out of/by the message of faithfulness(of Christ:2:16)?�
Gal 3:3� Are you so foolish? having begun by the Spirit, are you now making yourselves perfect/complete by the flesh?�
Galatians teaches a consistent message. Law or works are not for justification, nor are they for living the life God has called us to. We do not start out by works nor are we kept by works. Works of any kind, even ones done in righteousness, add nothing to our salvation/justification. They do not make our salvation any surer.
It isn't my purpose in these posts to address our call to live pleasing to God(Colossians 1:10). The church over the past two thousand years has so muddied the waters that most "christians" believe in some form of works oriented salvation. They either work to get it or work to keep it. If they do either, are they really trusting Christ for their salvation?
Peace and grace multiplied to you, to be established in the present truth:
Yet it is told exactly that we need to do these things, we need to add them through faith, which is through the grace of Christ who gives us our faith also, all the essential ingredients of the kingdom of Heaven that produces fruits of the Holy Spirit, it is good ground we have in the new covenant, a heart of flesh that grows through the righteous testimonies of Christ and can only be the things He did, which if He never walked in love, then grace would be in word and not in deed.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
**WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE **KEEP HIS COMMANDS**!! I John 2:3
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**!! And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age!"
Hebrews 5:9 Jesus became the source of salvation for **ALL WHO **OBEY** HIM**!
James 1:22-25: Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves.**DO WHAT IT SAYS**! Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But whoever looks into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it--not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it--they will be blessed in what they do!
Luke 11:27,28: As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave You birth and nursed You." Jesus replied, Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and **OBEY IT**!"
I John 2:1-5: Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know Him **IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDS**! Whoever says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in Him!
John 14:21,23,24: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and **KEEPS THEM** is the one who loves Me... Anyone who loves Me will **OBEY MY TEACHING**, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching.
I Corinthians 9:21: I am not free from God's law but **AM UNDER **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
John 15:10,14: Jesus says, "If you **KEEP MY COMMANDS**, you will remain in My love... My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. You are My friends if you do what I command!!"
Acts 5:32: God exalted to Him to His own right hand as Prince and Savior that He might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins. We are witnesses to these things and so is the **HOLY SPIRIT**, **WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THOSE **WHO OBEY HIM**!
I John 3:24: The one who **KEEPS GOD'S COMMANDS** lives in Him, and He in them And this is how we know He lives in us. We know it by the Spirit He gave us!!
John 5:2,3: This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and **CARRYING OUT HIS COMMANDS**. In fact, this is love for God: to **KEEP HIS COMMANDS**! And His commands are not burdensome!
I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin {Like Joyce Meyer and Adam7777}, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. **IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED {Like Adam7777} WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US**!!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'" {Adam7777, Joyce Meyer and Satan refuse to ask forgiveness for their sins!}
Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man shall live by **EVERY WORD** that comes from the mouth of God!!"
Peter BEFORE BORN AGAIN, savoured the things of men, not the things of God. Peter wanted Jesus to not lay His life down for the world. Jesus showed to Peter and to us all, we cannot save our life or we lose it, we need to take up our cross and deny ourselves. Peter denied knowing Jesus because Jesus said all the sheep will be scattered when the shepherd is smitten.
Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mark 14:72 And the second time the cockerel crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cockerel crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
The Apostles WHEN BORN AGAIN received power after the Holy Ghost came upon them, then they are witnesses, (not denying Christ) confessing Christ in Jerusalem and Judaea. Peter and the Apostles were gathered together in a room, and they had fear of the Jews, and Christ breathed on them the Holy Ghost which transformed them, and now they seek not to save their lives as Peter trying to save the life of Jesus, now they deny through the Holy Ghost themselves and their own lives...
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
WHEN BORN AGAIN....
Acts 1:8 But ye SHALL RECEIVE POWER, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
Now all repent like the example shown to us, we do nothing the way we do before we receive the power of the Holy Ghost being BORN AGAIN, remaining in our iniquities is not being cleaned of our unrighteousness..
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Peter did terrible and wrong when denying the Lord, and we also are terrible if we remain denying the Lord. Peter filled with the Holy Ghost now does the completely new way, preaches to Jerusalem, to the ones who murdered Christ, showing that Peter is now Bold in the Lord, no longer fearing the Jews is the evident change through receiving the Holy Ghost..
Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Peter is clearly transformed BORN AGAIN, who can not see the difference of Peter when denying and Peter when confessing Christ? We see the difference in Apostle Pau'ls ways when he is so changed his name was changed from Saul...
Acts 4:17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
Boldness to speak was granted to the Holy Apostles, we are to not continue in the sins but now live in obedience of righteousness....
Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Peter did sin daily, he was a sinful man, and when the command came to walk as Jesus walked, to lay his life down and stop hiding, Peter transformed and BORN AGAIN did walk completelty differently as we seen, why would Peter ask forgiveness when now he can be Holy on the Holy Spirit being bold and not fearing what man can do to him any more?
"**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO WALK AS JESUS WALKED {SEE JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!"
Now take into account the truth and all information, Peter did deny Christ, faring for his own life and for Christ to lose His life. Peter was not able to fear ||God and stop fearing man himself. Who denies Christ is a liar, and who confesses and acknowledges Him has the Father also. Peter given the Holy Spirit, and BORN AGAIN then in boldness confesses Christ no longer denying him and the ones who teach we still deny him are the liar as told..
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Can the one who says it is impossible to be Holy like the Lord and to walk like Christ and acknowledges no complete change in Peter denying to confessing Christ to the murderers confess their wrong and sin? They say they teach no wrong and prove thy lie and have not the word of the Lord in them..
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
It is proven to the world Peter denied Christ then confessed Christ, only after receiving the Holy Ghost he was TRANSFORMED AND BORN AGAIN. there is not another Gospel showing Peter not walking as Christ, because now he did...
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Then we see the message is given to us, to do as those examples of Apostle Peter and Apostle Paul..
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
God provided the accusers and the reason why they accuse, they accuse the Apostles because they confess, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO WALK AS JESUS WALKED, IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO CEASE FROM SIN
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and THAT CANNOT CEASE FROM SIN; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
BORN OF GOD DO NOT COMMIT SIN AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD..
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
SUFFER IN THE FLESH AS PETER CHANGED AND SUFFERED AND POSSIBLE FOR THE BELIEVERS TO CEASE FROM SIN..
1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh HATH CEASED FROM SIN;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
They are not afraid to speak evil of the Holy Apostles, they are falae accusers and are despisers of those that ARE GOOD..
2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of THOSE THAT ARE GOOD,
I will respond first by quoting segments written by montanagrace and then l will insert my responses. My responses are set apart by paragraph and by the **, around each of my comments so each begins with **and ends with**
Montanagrace (MG) writes and quotes the following verses:
MG: In our Bibles Galatians 2:21 ends chapter 2. Let us look further at the next few verses.
3:2� This only I wish to learn from you, was it out of/by works of law that you received the Spirit, or out of/by the message of faithfulness(of Christ:2:16)?�
Gal 3:3� Are you so foolish? having begun by the Spirit, are you now making yourselves perfect/complete by the flesh?�
**Ok. So far so good**
MG: Galatians teaches a consistent message. Law or works are not for justification, nor are they for living the life God has called us to. We do not start out by works nor are we kept by works. Works of any kind, even ones done in righteousness, add nothing to our salvation/justification. They do not make our salvation any surer.
MG: Galatians teaches a consistent message. Law or works are not for justification,
**good so far**
MG: nor are they for living the life God has called us to.
**this is false according to Gal5:7 and other scripture commanding “obedience” **
MG: We do not start out by works nor are we kept by works.
**this is correct**
MG: Works of any kind, even ones done in righteousness, add nothing to our salvation/justification. They do not make our salvation any surer.
**the meaning of the last statement from the above is unclear. But I John and other scripture are clear, loving obedience to God’s commands gives assurance to the believer of his salvation. Disobedience is cause for doubt. But I need to stress here that works of any kind do not save. I think that’s what MG means to say**
MG: It isn't my purpose in these posts to address our call to live pleasing to God(Colossians 1:10).
**living pleasing to God is not only found in Colossians 1:10 but it’s found all over in Galatians too**
MG: The church over the past two thousand years has so muddied the waters that most "christians" believe in some form of works oriented salvation. They either work to get it or work to keep it. If they do either, are they really trusting Christ for their salvation?
**besides inaccurate church history, the above statement commits the universal affirmative fallacy by tainting the entire church period of 2000 years with this serious error. MG’s statement is recklessly dishonest. While some churches have taught error, many churches in the past and today have not “so muddied the waters” on this issue.
