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Posted : 30 Oct, 2018 05:39 PM

Hello everyone;

The truthseeker is at it once again, making the sheeple to THINK about what they believe.



I hear a lot of people calling themselves pastor saying that it Is necessary for a person to do 3 things to be saved.

1. They need to know that they are 'sinners'

2. They need to confess their sins.

3. They need to repent of their sins.

IS this true?



I have been reading, studying and doing a little translating, but cannot find such a formula.

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Posted : 1 Nov, 2018 02:13 PM

More ridiculous quotes by Adam7777:



"The ones born of God therefore, **SIN NOT**" Adam7777 also claims that we are completely sanctified and **NO LONGER SIN** the very moment we are saved.{???}



Joyce Meyer also claims that she **NO LONGER SINS** in this taped message:



�I�m going to tell you something folks, I didn�t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn�t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that�s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I�m righteous and I can�t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time � All I was ever taught to say was, �I�m a poor, miserable sinner.� I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?�



**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO **WALK AS JESUS WALKED** {SEE JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY **AS GOD IS HOLY**[I PETER 1;15,16], WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!



The following Words of God are not found in the Bibles of Joyce Meyer and Adam777:



I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin {Like Joyce Meyer and Adam7777}, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. **IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US**!!



Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"



Matthew 18:21,22: Peter asked Jesus, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive **MY BROTHER** who sins against me?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times but seventy seven times!" {77 times can also be translated 70 times 7 or 490 times!!}



**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**



Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and repent!!"



Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** {Like Peter and David} He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? IF YOU ARE NOT DISCIPLINED AND **EVERYONE** UNDERGOES DISCIPLINE--THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITMATE--NOT TRUE SONS AND DAUGHTERS AT ALL**!! Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!



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Posted : 1 Nov, 2018 11:13 PM

Ritchie, leave your judgements of others off of the subjects that have been posted, these are not about you.

Please be a blessing to everyone here and delete your account.

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Posted : 2 Nov, 2018 04:23 AM

We need Christ to give us light, because He is light and before His light, we are darkness. WE only know darkness, and believe this is light, because before He shines in our heart, we do not know He is the true light. We have no faith and receive no grace, unless we also receive that light, |Him enlightening our hearts and mind means we see immediately what works of darkness we were doing in our darkened minds, and we immediately of course do everything differently in the light, otherwise light now shining in us would mean nothing, account for nothing and change nothing of our entire practises, but it changes all, Immediately we have the knowledge of the glory of God through Jesus Christ in our new awareness, so immediately all is repented and all is cleaned through that word of Christ, as all told, and the evidence of it all is the Holy Ghost comes upon us right away and so of course all is sanctified that very same moment..



Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,



2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.





Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.



John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.



1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

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Posted : 2 Nov, 2018 11:27 AM

ANOTHER SATANIC QUOTE BY ADAM7777:



"If you do not want your treasures to turn to nothing, you need to build up treasures of righteousness within yourself, where the Kingdom of Heaven is."{???}



**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??



John 18:36: Jesus says,, "**MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD**, if it were my servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jewish leaders. But **NOW MY KINGDOM** is from **ANOTHER PLACE**!"



Hebrews 12:27-29: God says, Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." The words, "Once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken can remain! Therefore, since we are receiving a **KINGDOM THAT CAN NOT BE SHAKEN**, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire!



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers} The heavens will **DISAPPEAR** with roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up!... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** are looking for a **NEW HEAVEN** and a **NEW EARTH**, where righteousness dwells!



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a **NEW HEAVEN** and a **NEW EARTH**for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. An I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!!"



2 Peter 1:11: You will receive a rich welcome into the **ETERNAL KINGDOM** of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



2 Timothy 4:18: The Lord will bring me safely to his **HEAVENLY KINGDOM**. To Him be the glory for ever and ever! Amen!



I Corinthians 15:50-52: I declare to you brothers that **FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER **THE KINGDOM OF GOD**, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will **ALL** be changed--in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last {And 7th} Trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed!!



Adam7777 and Joyce Meyer and Satan want you to believe that every time believers sin they are really not saved and should not continually ask forgiveness for their sins to get back in a close relationship with God; and that they should not continually seek **ETERNAL REWARDS** in the **HEAVENLY KINGDOM** for faithful and loving service!!



**SALVATION IS 100% FREE** BUT ETERNAL HEAVENLY REWARDS ARE 100% EARNED**!!



**SALVATION IS 100% FREE**!!



Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , He saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!



John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, **NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION** or a husband's will but, **BORN OF GOD**!!



John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"



Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through **FAITH**�and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**�not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!



Romans 12:3: For by the **GRACE GIVEN ME** I say to every one of you. Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourselves with sober judgment, in accordance with the **FAITH GOD HAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU**... We have different gifts, according to the **GRACE GIVEN TO EACH OF US**!!



John 15:16: Jesus says, "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit--fruit that will last!!



Romans 9:15,16,18: God says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy...Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. {But God's saints still preach God's Word to everyone}



Revelation 17:14: They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will triumph over them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!



**AND SO SALVATION IS 100 PERCENT **FREE** but **ETERNAL REWARDS** are 100 percent **EARNED**!!



Ephesians 6:8: Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will **REWARD** everyone for what ever good he does!



Revelation 22:12 Jesus says, �Behold I am coming soon! My **REWARD** is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!�



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, �The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will **REWARD** each person according to what he has done!�



Luke 11:33,34: Jesus says, "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a **TREASURE** IN HEAVEN** that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your **TREASURE** is, there your **HEART** will be also!"



Luke 14:13,14: Jesus says, "When you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be **BLESSED**. Although they cannot repay you will be **REPAID AT THE RESURRECTION** of the righteous!"



2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.



1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his **REWARD**. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.



How to Win Heavenly CROWNS:



I Corinthians 9:24-27: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes in to strict training. They do it to get a **CROWN** that will not last; but we do it to get a **CROWN THAT WILL LAST FOREVER**! Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize!



2 John 1:8: Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be **REWARDED** fully!.



Revelation 3:11: Jesus says, �I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your **CROWN**!�



2 Timothy 4:7,8: I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the **CROWN** of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day�and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for His appearing!



The **CROWN** of Life for those who persevere under trials and persecution:



James 1:12: Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the **CROWN OF LIFE** that God has promised to those who love Him!



Revelation 2:10 Jesus says, �Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer... Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the **CROWN OF LIFE**!�



Matthew 5:11,12: Jesus says, �Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your **REWARD** in heaven!�



Hebrews 10:32-36: Remember those earlier days after you had received the Light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering. Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly **REWARDED**. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you receive what He has promised!



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Posted : 2 Nov, 2018 08:12 PM

There seems to be a lot of works/grace term ambiguity and equivocal overlap on this thread

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Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 03:41 AM

Hi Dave, yes there is.

Most of the self called pastors proclaim a works based salvation namely.

1. You need to know you are a sinner(Actually people a SINFUL).

2. You need to confess your sins.

3. You need to repent of your sins.

4. You need to trust Messiah.



This FORMULA for salvation is based upon what a person does, not who Messiah is or what He has done. Many 'christians' spew this formula along with a testimony of what Messiah had done in their lives. This is not the Gospel, nor is it being a Witness OF Messiah.

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Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 05:04 AM

Yes we are to know who Christ is and what He has done, receiving Him, power to receive Him, as the world cannot receive Him. Power to those who believe in His name, who are born not of man, but born of God.



Every one that is born of Him, DOES TRUTH..



So we are to be His sons and daughters, we need to be born, because before you are born you can know nothing. Being born new, not the old man that is corrupt, but born and the new man is immediately not corrupt.







1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.



John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.



Born again by the uncorruptible word of God, hearing that word also cleans us and opens our eyes, and writes the law in our heart and mind as we receive the Holy Ghost immediately for purpose, it mkes no sense does it, to receive the Spirit of Christ for no effect?



1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.



Works and grace confusion is meant to be, it is explained to be simple and to be too deep at the same time, but choosing one over another only means the person thought they knew better, because man at hi best state is altogether vanity.



So Jesus is that grace, and that faith of Christ, who also did the works of God or there wold be no grace or faith..



John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

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Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 06:05 AM

Well I would question this statement.



"Works and grace confusion is meant to be, it is explained to be simple and to be too deep at the same time, but choosing one over another only means the person thought they knew better, because man at hi best state is altogether vanity."



"works and grace confusion is meant to be" !? WHAT?!

"choosing one over another only means the person thought they knew better" !? WHAT!?



Rom 11:5� Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.�

6� And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

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Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 12:28 PM

Hi Montana;

Thanks for the Word of GOD Almighty.

Most people, especially the self proclaimed pastors do not understand Grace, or the GOSPEL, as the GOSPEL is of the GRACE of GOD Almighty.

If you understand, then you probably do not understand the GOSPEL.

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Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 12:29 PM

Hi Montana;

Thanks for the Word of GOD Almighty.

Most people, especially the self proclaimed pastors do not understand Grace, or the GOSPEL, as the GOSPEL is of the GRACE of GOD Almighty.

If you understand, then you probably do not understand the GOSPEL.

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