I believe that biblical submission of the wife is recommended due to the giftedness which was taken from Adam (femininity, incorrectly translated as "rib") and which God used as "material" to make Eve... said division of masculine and feminine gifts/traits/strengths/weaknesses then being passed down to you and I. The man is better equipped to recognize evil (1 Tim 2) in all of its subtleties and as such, should make the final call on related issues. As Christians, we already have a detailed enough "job description" from God that a godly wife should only defer on the rare occasion that an impasse is reached after prayerful consideration and all applicable biblical passages are brought to light, as well as freedom of communicating each partner's concerns. Nothing more, nothing less.
As an aside, man was also left at a deficit as a result of what was taken which is why a wife is her husband's deliverer (wrongly translated "helper") via God returning what left Adam "lame/erring" (wrongly translated as "closed up") after that surgical episode in which, all men without a female partner still suffer from the same deficit today. Unlike most presentations on this passage with no conflict to resolve, "This," (the conflict) "is why a man leaves his father and mother and cleaves to a wife." The "one flesh," or prolonged sexual union, facilitating the bond necessary to recoup each partner's deficit from the other per God's creative order. That and God gets the population he's looking for to fill heaven.
Perhaps the most perplexing passage is 1 Cor. 14:35 wherein wives are asked not to interact through speech in church (presumably with male teachers). I believe the purpose for this is for the wife to adopt her husband's theology, at least in practice, for the sake of acting in tandem to allow for the blessings of God to be present in the home. Sure, the husband may only have a 90% handle on God's word but, when cooperating together, that's 90% of the blessing available from the word of God in their lives. 80-80. However, because if there's unresolved disagreement, with each going their own way, they could end up with a meager dose of God's blessings. Significantly different definitions of good never ends up being good for either party.
Thanks, either the whole world has no testimony of Christ at its fingertips, and you are excluded because you found the narrow path to be original languages. Or, you cannot show what only you know, and the world does not know, what understanding of the sacrifice of Christ your original languages can reveal for you, that it does not tell simply and plainly for this entire world already.
If you want to show what is missing from the original languages of what you quoted, do so, if not, it is questioning words only, and as predicted. It is your point of view you raise, and that so far is not showing any problem with mixing up soul and life. Neither does what Jw's do matter, they arr free to change what they like.
It is better to trust in God than man, no trust in the wise, the intellectuals,no trust in science, it is all false. God only is true, and is worth your trust, man takes your life, God gives life through His righteous death and rising again.
Psalms 118:9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Isaiah 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
Of course it is easy for me to understand, but you wont like my answer, but you cannot show it wrong, yet I can show yours as totally wrong and against Christ with ease.
I looked the greek of John 10:11. The shepherd that is ideal. Ideal is seen in verse 12, the one who does not flee when He sees the wolf coming, as seen in Zecheriah 13:7, the sword was against His own Shepherd, and when the Shepherd was smitten the sheep were scattered..
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
You cannot show a single thing wrong from the bibles this world has,instead I show everything you do not know, please continue as I don't mind to interprete for you.
Adam, you have not translated 1 word of the Scriptures I had posted, which shows that you are either too lazy to want to learn truth, or you are ignorant of the truth, and only want to be spoon fed the pablum in the english translations, by men self proclaiming themselves to being ' pastors' .
Too many 'christians' are too lazy to even open an interlinear and use a concordance, or biblical dictionary to begin to translate the Scripture. Had the self called pastors repented of their pride of wanting to build empires for themselves, and had begun to actually teach the people how to read, study, and translate the Word of GOD Almighty, then maybe there would be actual disciples / LEARNERS of Messiah instead of being learners of the doctrines of men.
I am saddened for you Adam, and for the many people on this site that will not take the time to become a LEARNER / disciple of Messiah Yeshua.
You and many others think God_is_my_Father is a theological bully, only because your understanding of the Word of GOD Almighty is being questioned. At least God_is_my_Father has a desire to know the truth within the Word of GOD Almighty, which I cannot say for a good portion of the people on this site.
Until you have translated the Scriptures I had posted, and will post what you believe the Holy Spirit has revealed to you, then i have nothing to talk about with you.
Gracenotworks, You already have nothing to talk about. I did look and see what the original greek was for John 10, and I showed you my findings. It changes nothing important, it reveals what Ideal Shepherd meant 2000 years ago, which was one who lays His life down.
We also do not need sincere pastors, we have Christ and Christ comes into our heart in Spirit and we learn of the Father through Him.
So thanks for your attempt of showing what love is, and trying to say it can be anything, but love is only what the world knows of Christ dying for our sins and rising again, His testimony is in all the world and it is not all wrongly translated just because you claim it and cannot show it at all.
You have no understanding that is not in the kjv bible, if you did you could show it, but you know very well you do not and cannot.
You also ignore every part I speak about to you, so its great you have had enough.
There is a two part message on submission and leadership by Dr. Voddie Baucham which carefully examines the origins of submission by breaking down the various texts. Which deal with them.
He explains some key words from the original languages which are often misunderstood which results in getting a wrong view of the texts and their instructions. He takes times to explain these key words and their uses in scripture. It takes about 45 minutes to listen to both parts if you skip the intros.
For the doctors ideas on submission, man does not submit to man who seems wise in this world..
1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
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19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
Don't you read the scriptures, God gave power for us to become the sons of God, Gods word is witness, that doctors and all wise in this world are foolish....
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Gods word is witness, that doctors and all wise in this world are foolish....
Show me where in scriptures it says that Dr. Luke, (the penman, who under the inspiration of Holy Spirit, wrote Luke and Acts, and possibly the book of Hebrews as well), was foolish.
First submission, seem similar situations to anyone.....
"Who are you to question the Reverend Doctor Voddie Baucham, Jr., M.Div., D.Min., D.D.?"
Acts 2:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
4 And they that stood by said, REVILEST THOU GOD'S HIGH PRIEST?
Luke was a physician, but could not raise the dead, give hearing to the deaf or sight to the blind, as the wisdom of this world is foolishness, Luke healed people by the Spirit and faith of Christ. Chosen by Christ, Luke was allowed to be an exclusion, the same as Saul murdering people was a chosen vessel to become Paul and save men's lives.
All the wise in this world of course are foolish, otherwise why would anyone become a doctor when the see Luke could heal nobody compared to Christ ?
"Who are you to question the Reverend Doctor Voddie Baucham, Jr., M.Div., D.Min., D.D.?"
Acts 2:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
4 And they that stood by said, REVILEST THOU GOD'S HIGH PRIEST?
You think this passage makes you right? You didn't even bother to mention the punch line.
"Then Paul said, �I did not know, brethren, that he was the high priest; for it is written, �You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.��"
Paul confessed his sin for reviling the high priest, and quoted the commandment he violated when he did it. You have shown no such humility.
Luke was a physician, but could not raise the dead, give hearing to the deaf or sight to the blind, as the wisdom of this world is foolishness, Luke healed people by the Spirit and faith of Christ. Chosen by Christ, Luke was allowed to be an exclusion, the same as Saul murdering people was a chosen vessel to become Paul and save men's lives.
All the wise in this world of course are foolish, otherwise why would anyone become a doctor when the see Luke could heal nobody compared to Christ ?
"Luke THE BELOVED PHYSICIAN and Demas greet you." - Paul the Apostle
"Be diligent to come to me quickly; 10 for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed for Thessalonica�Crescens for Galatia, Titus for Dalmatia. 11 Only Luke is with me." - Paul the Apostle
"Epaphras, my fellow prisoner in Christ Jesus, greets you, 24 as do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, Luke, my fellow laborers."
How is it you claim that Dr. Luke healed people supernaturally by faith? Show me the chapter and verse where is says that happened. And if he did, why could he not also raise the dead and it not be recorded? Are all of the miracles ever performed recorded in scripture? John 21:25
Now you claim there are exceptions, when it was every last doctor before, because there is no way to maintain your clearly false claim that all doctors are foolish. Dr. Baucham has a Doctor of Divinity, meaning, he is considered an expert in the scriptures. Moreover, he has been a Christian for decades, and has pursued the study of the scriptures as God commands in 2 Timothy 2. For his obedience to God's command, YOU, in your arrogance and audacity, have labeled him a fool. The Lord rebuke you.
