Author	Thread: Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19?
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 6 Dec, 2015 05:32 PM Did Jesus Christ reject the practices of Moses related to allowing divorce; and say there is only one legitimate reason which allows a person to obtain a divorce, marry another, and not commit adultery? a) yes b) no Matthew 19:3-8 "The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so." Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 08:41 PM "Let this mind be in your which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking on the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:5-11 When it says, "who, being in the form of God", in the English, it is a translation of the Greed text which actually means, "who, never ceasing to exist in the form of God." Christ, while God, (John 1:1), emptied Himself and took on the flesh of a man, yet never ceased to exist as God. When I showed the text of Revelation Chapter 1 earlier, I thought it was clear that the text says The Alpha & Omega, Beginning & End, The Almighty, First & Last, He Who lives, was dead and is alive forevermore is all the same person: The One who was speaking to John. Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 09:41 PM You can throw in all of the mistranslations you would like. I haven't seen one yet that purports that Jesus said that Jesus is God almighty. I suspect that you conjured that one up in your imagination; but I'm still open to review your source; provided that you can provide one. ...and on that note I'll leave you with this: 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 10:34 PM Which Greek text which you prefer to use, so we needed bother with translations, and can go straight to the original text? I have a copy of the Greek New Testament 3d edition 1975 edited by Aland, Black, Maritni, Metzger, and Wikgren published jointly by the United Bible Societies- American, British and Foreign, National of Scotland, Netherlands and Wuttemberg sitting here next to me. It will admit to mine being somewhat old, as they were already working on the 4th addition when mine was printed. I see 4 others handy online. The 1550 Stephanus (a predecessor of the above), 1881 Wescott-Hort, 1894 Scrivener, and the SBL, on the BibleGateway website. Or would you prefer another? There are at least two different Greek New Testament's used on the BlueLetterBible website, including the Morphological Greek New Testament, and the Textus Receptus. Oh, BTW, I used Mare's "Mastering New Testament Greek" 1977 for my Baby Greek and John 1:1 post. I have a Metzger New Testament Greek grammar around here somewhere. Maybe I should do a search and see what else is readily available? Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 10:41 PM Like I said use whatever one you like. I haven't seen one yet that purports that Jesus said that Jesus is God almighty. ....still waiting.... Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 10:43 PM Revelation Chapter 1, verse 8 εγω ειμι το α και το ω αρχη και τελος λεγει ο κυριος ο ων και ο ην και ο ερχομενος ο παντοκρατωρ ego eimi to a kai to o arxe kai telos legei o kurios o on kai o en kai o erxomenos o phantokrator "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 10:52 PM That is from Bible Gateway. This shows all four Greek versions along side the Authorized version of Revelation 1:8-18 for the relevant text. If you want to see the entire chapter, simply click on the middle button of the page options. legacy.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1%3A8-18&version=AKJV;TR1550;WHNU;TR1894;SBLGNT Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 11:01 PM Read on, and try to read for comprehension. In the very next verse it makes a distinction between the word of "THE GOD" (That's YHWH) AND his witness Yahshua. Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 7 Dec, 2015 11:50 PM There isn't any Hebrew in Revelation 1:9. Zero. The text is Greek. The claim you make is false. The word is theos. (Th)eta (e)psilon (o)micron (s)igma. This is the same exact word from John 1:1, "kai theos en o(ha) logos", and God was the Word. Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 8 Dec, 2015 05:09 PM In my haste to post a reply, I failed to note the proper location of the root word "the". The right word it (Th)eta (e)psilon (o)micron (u)psilon - Theou, not Theos. In the sentence, the word is found in the genitive form with the ou ending. It means "of God". However, that is still not in the Hebrew language, and my point still stands. Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 8 Dec, 2015 05:28 PM LOL! Thanks detective; I'm well aware, that your translation of Revelation was written in Greek, as well as of your predisposition to present strawman arguments. If you had a firm grasp of Greek; you would understand the difference between theos, and "THE THEOS." I guess that would throw a wrench in your Hellenized theories of a triune god though. John 20:17King James Version (KJV) 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Post Reply

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