Those are to be reckoned presumptuous sinners, who sin designedly against God's will and glory. Sins thus committed are exceedingly sinful. He that thus breaks the commandment reproaches the Lord. He also despises the word of the Lord. Presumptuous sinners despise it, thinking themselves too great, too good, and too wise, to be ruled by it. A particular instance of presumption in the sin of sabbath-breaking is related. The offence was gathering sticks on the sabbath day, to make a fire, whereas the people were to bake and seethe what they had occasion for, the day before, Exodus 16:23. This was done as an affront both to the law and to the Lawgiver. God is jealous for the honour of his sabbaths, and will not hold him guiltless who profanes them, whatever men may do. God intended this punishment for a warning to all, to make conscience of keeping holy the sabbath. And we may be assured that no command was ever given for the punishment of sin, which, at the judgment day, shall not prove to have come from perfect love and justice. The right of God to a day of devotion to himself, will be disputed and denied only by such as listen to the pride and unbelief of their hearts, rather than to the teaching of the Spirit of truth and life. Wherein consists the difference between him who was detected gathering sticks in the wilderness on the day of God, and the man who turns his back upon the blessings of sabbath appointments, and the promises of sabbath mercies, to use his time, his cares, and his soul, in heaping up riches; and waste his hours, his property, and his strength in sinful pleasure? Wealth may come by the unhallowed effort, but it will not come alone; it will have its awful reward. Sinful pursuits lead to ruin.
In regard to your previous reply,i have not taken the Word of GOD out of its context concerning the man picking up sticks,as the entire Old Covenant points us to needing faith (faithing) into the Messiah of YHWH,namely Yeshua.
It seems from your replies that you do not understand the need for GRACE and for a person to be faithing into Messiah.
You push the law as though you believe the law will save you,Messiah came to set the captives free from having to obey the law for Salvation,sanctification
righteousness,holiness,and a relationship with ABBA.
Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all those laboring and being burdened, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, because I am meek and lowly in heart, "and you will find rest to your souls." Jer. 6:16
Mat 11:30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.
Messiah came to FILL UP the law,as the law was powerless to make a person righteous in the sight of GOD Almighty.
Messiah fill up the law so that you do not have to in order to be righteous.
Rom 4:1 What then shall we say our father Abraham to have found according to flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has a boast, but not with God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." Gen. 15:6
Rom 4:4 Now to one working, the reward is not counted according to grace, but according to debt.
Rom 4:5 But to the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as also David says of the blessedness of the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawlessnesses are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
Rom 4:8 blessed the man to whom the Lord will in no way charge sin." LXX-Psa. 31:1, 2; MT-Psa. 32:1, 2
Rom 4:9 Is this blessedness then on the circumcision, or also on the uncircumcision? For we say the faith "was counted to Abraham for righteousness." Gen. 15:6
Rom 4:10 How then was it counted? Being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision!
When a person is in Yeshua,everything which is His becomes that persons also,as Messaih makes the person righteous,holy,sanctified,and forgiven.
If Yeshua gave His life so that you need to continue obeying the law for salvation,righteousness,holiness,sanctification,and forgivness,then He died a worthless death.
I do understand the need for GRACE, for we are saved by Grace, however, if you read my thread on God's Law for the last 20yr. charismatic preachers have been pushing the Grace theme to nullify the law.
I'm not saying our salvation is based on the works of the law. Only Yeshua could fulfill the law perfectly and I look to Him the author and finisher of my faith. I do however, believe we must still obey the Ten Commandments.
I think the Grace and Law beliefs can both be viewed in the extremes and it is important to weigh everything according to the word.
Great peace have those who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble. Ps 119:165
Am glad to hear you understand the need for Grace,yet the standard which GOD Almighty has set forth for righteousness is not the law,but Messiah is the standard for forgiveness,righteousness,holiness,sanctification,and life.
Why do some people push the law,instead of Grace thru Faith?
Luke 9:62 But Jesus said to him, No one putting his hand on the plow, and looking at the things behind, is fit for the kingdom of God
Gal 2:11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before some came from James, he ate with the nations. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, being afraid of those of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And also the rest of the Jews dissembled with him, so as even Barnabas was led away with their dissembling.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you being a Jew, live heathen-like, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to Judaize?
Gal 2:15 We, Jews by nature, and not sinners of the nations,
Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by works of Law, but that it is through faith in Jesus Christ (we also believed into Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of Law, because all flesh will not be justified by works of Law). Psa. 123:2
Gal 2:17 But if seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves also were found to be sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? Let it not be!
Gal 2:18 For what if I build again these things which I destroyed, I confirm myself as a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For through Law I died to Law, that I might live to God.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, the One loving me and giving Himself over on my behalf.
Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness is through Law, then Christ died without cause.
I can appreciate your scripture references. The way I see it is if I was issued a ticket/fine to appear before the judge and Yeshua paid the fine for me and got me off the hook, that doesn't mean I don't have to continue to obey the law. If I continue to break the law there are consequences and certainly Yeshua is not going to keep bailing me out, because I would be making a mockery of the law, thinking myself above the law.
Yes, Yeshua paid the price, His Grace is unmerited favor, however, we are still accountable.
"You shall therefore keep His statutes and His commandments which I command you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days" (Deuteronomy:4:40).
� Immediately after giving the Ten Commandments, God exclaimed: "Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!" (Deuteronomy:5:29).
� "You shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess" (Deuteronomy:5:33).
"You shall diligently keep the commandments of the Lord your God, His testimonies, and His statutes which He has commanded you. And you shall do what is right and good in the sight of the LORD, that it may be well with you" Deuteronomy:6:17-18).
"Then it shall come to pass, because you listen to these judgments, and keep and do them, that the Lord your God will keep with you the covenant and the mercy which He swore to your fathers. And He will love you and bless you and multiply you . . . You shall be blessed above all peoples" (Deuteronomy:7:12-14)
"And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways and to love Him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to keep the commandments of the Lord and His statutes which I command you today for your good?" (Deuteronomy:10:12-13).
I see that you are continuing to go back to the OLD COVENANT to justify what you believe;
Please by GRACE come into the NEW Covenant where you will find forgiveness,justification,righteousness,holiness,life and the power of GOD Almighty to change the way you think about GOD Almighty and yourself.
Believers are not under the law,we are under a completely NEW Covenant,one which Israel had not known,and most 'christians' do not know either.
ALL of your sin(s),and each and ever time you will ever sin had been placed upon Messiah,which He had taken to the cross,where your sin(s) was judged and covered in the blood of the lam of GOD to be remembered no more.
Stop trying to live your life as though you need to perform rightly in order to be received of GOD,Messiah performed EVERYTHING necessary for you to be received,as His death sufficiently pleased the Father.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Stop trying to add to what Messiah has already finished,ONLY Faith into Him.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
James 2
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
John 14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 2
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
If we're to walk as Jesus walked, which commandments was Jesus allowed to ignore? If sin is the transgression of the law, yet Jesus was sinless, then Jesus kept all of God's commands. So if Jesus kept all the commands and did not sin, then what should we try to do? Of course, not to earn salvation, but because we're new creatures. How shall we that are supposed to be dead to sin continue to willingly transgress the laws of God?
Shared ~ This particular Scripture is not about keeping/obeying the law and the consequences which follow.
*** Ummmm...NO !!!...It's exactly what is written about...Nothing LESS Nothing MORE!!!...As Shalome mentioned earlier George...and I know you don't want to read this, however it must be stated again, you are Reading Scriptures in the OT about a Man Breaking the Sabbath...Holding him until a Decision is made. Nothing LESS Nothing MORE!!!...
Shared ~ The Scripture points to resting from ones own works to faithing into Messiah.
*** Ummmm...NO !!!...In the OT The Messiah had NOT Yet Come to TEACH and FULLFILL that. There fore you are taking a Scripture out of Context in the OT and READING into the Scripture That Which is your Own Understanding combining it into a NT Understanding of Faith in Jesus as THE Messiah...Thats just plan WRONG !!!
May you all hava GOD HolySpirit Filled and Blessed New Year !!!...In Christ Jesus...aka Yahshua Hamessiah
Shared ~ This particular Scripture is not about keeping/obeying the law and the consequences which follow.
*** Ummmm...NO !!!...It's exactly what is written about...Nothing LESS Nothing MORE!!!...As Shalome mentioned earlier George...and I know you don't want to read this, however it must be stated again, you are Reading Scriptures in the OT about a Man Breaking the Sabbath...Holding him until a Decision is made. Nothing LESS Nothing MORE!!!...
Shared ~ The Scripture points to resting from ones own works to faithing into Messiah.
*** Ummmm...NO !!!...In the OT The Messiah had NOT Yet Come to TEACH and FULLFILL that. There fore you are taking a Scripture out of Context in the OT and READING into the Scripture That Which is your Own Understanding combining it into a NT Understanding of Faith in Jesus as THE Messiah...Thats just plan WRONG !!!
GNWS:
Yes Jude,i do understand the OLD Covenant to have been written in Hebrew and Aramaic.
Yes as the holy Spirit has empowered me to understand the Word of GOD from a Hebrew and Greek mindset,as the Word of GOD had been given to the Jews first.
Now,let us see what the Old Covenant says about faith,or rather faithing into the Messiah.
Remember all of the prophesies concerning the coming of Messiah some of those proclaiming those prophesis,they did not understand what they had spoken.
David speaking about Messiah in Psalm 22
Isaiah wrote about Messiah in his book chapter 53.
Zechariah chapters 12-14,and there are more,but these should suffice for now.
There were people looking forward to Messiah,and they were 'FAITHING' into the promises of YHWH to be sending His Messiah.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, the soul of him is puffed up and is not upright; but the just shall live by his faith.
A question,was Abraham 'faithing' concerning Messiah?
Was Moses 'faithing' concerning Messiah.
How about Isaac,Jacob,Samson,David,maybe Jeremiah,hmmmmmmmm.
Maybe the man picking up sticks is a picture of the future judgement against NOT resting in Messiah our Saabath.
