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Posted : 14 Jan, 2014 05:18 PM

Hello everyone:



I do not want to be sounding ignorant,yet could someone please show me in the Word of GOD where a so called 'worship service' is mentioned.



I have heard people say they attend worship service,i cannot find this in the Scriptures.



Thank you very much



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Posted : 17 Jan, 2014 04:50 PM

Hi Truthcarrier:



Please expound on Biblical Worship,could you also give the Scriptures for this.





Because if it is not in the NEW COVENANT , then it might not be of GOD Almighty.

Seeing that many people go to the Old Covenant to justify their position on things not found within the New Covenant.

Or the people have not come out from under the law.





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Posted : 17 Jan, 2014 09:00 PM

you can not approach the word of god mentally, you have to approach it spiritually, or to say it this way biblically.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2014 05:33 AM

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you can not approach the word of god mentally, you have to approach it spiritually, or to say it this way biblically.





Hi truth:

I do not believe you have given the Scriptures for you for your understanding of the question.



There are many Scriptures proclaiming the need for man to be using their 'MIND' to be understanding the Word of GOD.

The Word of GOD Almighty reveals to man the MIND of GOD.



(KJV) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.



The word 'AFFECTION' really is the Greek word 'phroneō' which means 'MIND'.

G5426

φρονέω

phroneō

Thayer Definition:

1) to have understanding, be wise

2) to feel, to think

2a) to have an opinion of one�s self, think of one�s self, to be modest, not let one�s opinion (though just) of himself exceed the bounds of modesty

2b) to think or judge what one�s opinion is

2c) to be of the same mind, i.e. agreed together, cherish the same views, be harmonious

3) to direct one�s mind to a thing, to seek, to strive for

3a) to seek one�s interest or advantage

3b) to be of one�s party, side with him (in public affairs)

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G5424



(KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.



Mind-dianoia

G1271

διάνοια

dianoia

Thayer Definition:

1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring

2) understanding

3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling

4) thoughts, either good or bad

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G1223 and G3563



The English word 'MIND' is used at least 24 times, the Greek word in these Scriptures is 'NOUS' meaning mind.



Strong's Concordance

nous: mind, understanding, reason

Original Word: νοῦς, νοός, νοΐ, νοῦν, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: nous

Phonetic Spelling: (nooce)

Short Definition: the mind, reasoning faculty

Definition: the mind, the reason, the reasoning faculty, intellect.

HELPS Word-studies

3563 no�s (a masculine noun) � the God-given capacity of each person to think (reason); the mind; mental capacity to exercise reflective thinking. For the believer, 3563 (no�s) is the organ of receiving God's thoughts, through faith.



Romans 12:2,3: "2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (3563 /�lynthos), so that you may prove what the will (2307 /th�lēma) of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. 3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102 /p�stis)" (NASU).









Luke 24:45 N-AMS

GRK: αὐτῶν τὸν νοῦν τοῦ συνιέναι

NAS: He opened their minds to understand

KJV: their understanding, that they might understand

INT: their the mind to understand

Romans 1:28 N-AMS

GRK: εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν ποιεῖν τὰ

NAS: to a depraved mind, to do

KJV: a reprobate mind, to do

INT: to a depraved mind to do things



Romans 7:23 N-GMS

GRK: νόμῳ τοῦ νοός μου καὶ

NAS: the law of my mind and making me a prisoner

KJV: the law of my mind, and bringing

INT: law the mind of me and



Romans 7:25 N-DMS

GRK: τῷ μὲν νοῒ δουλεύω νόμῳ

NAS: I myself with my mind am serving

KJV: Lord. So then with the mind I myself

INT: with the indeed mind serve law



Romans 11:34 N-AMS

GRK: γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν Κυρίου ἢ

NAS: HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD,

KJV: hath known the mind of the Lord?

INT: indeed did know [the] mind of [the] Lord or



Romans 12:2 N-GMS

GRK: ἀνακαινώσει τοῦ νοός εἰς τὸ

NAS: by the renewing of your mind, so

KJV: by the renewing of your mind, that ye

INT: renewing of the mind for



Romans 14:5 N-DMS

GRK: τῷ ἰδίῳ νοῒ πληροφορείσθω

NAS: in his own mind.

KJV: in his own mind.

INT: the own mind let be fully assured



1 Corinthians 1:10 N-DMS

GRK: τῷ αὐτῷ νοῒ καὶ ἐν

NAS: in the same mind and in the same

KJV: in the same mind and in

INT: the same mind and in



1 Corinthians 2:16 N-AMS

GRK: γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν Κυρίου ὃς

NAS: HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD,

KJV: hath known the mind of the Lord,

INT: indeed did know [the] mind of [the] Lord who



1 Corinthians 2:16 N-AMS

GRK: ἡμεῖς δὲ νοῦν Χριστοῦ ἔχομεν

NAS: HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

KJV: we have the mind of Christ.

INT: we however [the] mind of Christ have



1 Corinthians 14:14 N-NMS

GRK: ὁ δὲ νοῦς μου ἄκαρπός

NAS: prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

KJV: but my understanding is unfruitful.

INT: but [the] mind of me unfruitful



1 Corinthians 14:15 N-DMS

GRK: καὶ τῷ νοΐ ψαλῶ τῷ

NAS: and I will pray with the mind also;

KJV: I will pray with the understanding also:

INT: also with the mind I will sing praise with the



1 Corinthians 14:15 N-DMS

GRK: καὶ τῷ νοΐ

NAS: and I will sing with the mind also.

KJV: I will sing with the understanding also.

INT: also with the mind



1 Corinthians 14:19 N-DMS

GRK: λόγους τῷ νοΐ μου λαλῆσαι

NAS: words with my mind so

KJV: my understanding, that

INT: words with mind of me to speak



Ephesians 4:17 N-GMS

GRK: ματαιότητι τοῦ νοὸς αὐτῶν

NAS: walk, in the futility of their mind,

KJV: the vanity of their mind,

INT: [the] futility of the mind of them



Ephesians 4:23 N-GMS

GRK: πνεύματι τοῦ νοὸς ὑμῶν

NAS: in the spirit of your mind,

KJV: in the spirit of your mind;

INT: spirit of the mind of you



Philippians 4:7 N-AMS

GRK: ὑπερέχουσα πάντα νοῦν φρουρήσει τὰς

NAS: all comprehension, will guard

KJV: all understanding, shall keep

INT: surpasses all understanding will guard the



Colossians 2:18 N-GMS

GRK: ὑπὸ τοῦ νοὸς τῆς σαρκὸς

NAS: without cause by his fleshly mind,

KJV: his fleshly mind,

INT: by the mind of the flesh



2 Thessalonians 2:2 N-GMS

GRK: ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μηδὲ θροεῖσθαι

NAS: shaken from your composure or

KJV: shaken in mind, or be troubled,

INT: in mind nor to be troubled



1 Timothy 6:5 N-AMS

GRK: ἀνθρώπων τὸν νοῦν καὶ ἀπεστερημένων

NAS: of depraved mind and deprived

KJV: of men of corrupt minds, and destitute

INT: of men in mind and destitute



2 Timothy 3:8 N-AMS

GRK: κατεφθαρμένοι τὸν νοῦν ἀδόκιμοι περὶ

NAS: of depraved mind, rejected

KJV: of corrupt minds, reprobate

INT: utterly corrupted in mind found worthless as regards



Titus 1:15 N-NMS

GRK: καὶ ὁ νοῦς καὶ ἡ

NAS: but both their mind and their conscience

KJV: even their mind and conscience

INT: both the mind and the



Revelation 13:18 N-AMS

GRK: ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν

NAS: Let him who has understanding calculate

KJV: Let him that hath understanding count

INT: He who has understanding let him count the



Revelation 17:9 N-NMS

GRK: Ὧδε ὁ νοῦς ὁ ἔχων

NAS: Here is the mind which has wisdom.

KJV: And here [is] the mind which hath

INT: Here [is] the mind which has







How about the English word "WORD' , in Greek it is ' logos' which means 'REASON , OR TO REASON'; is not Messiah Yeshua the 'WORD of GOD ' or better yet 'THE REASONING of GOD'.



Strong's Concordance

logos: a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech

Original Word: λόγος, ου, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: logos

Phonetic Spelling: (log'-os)

Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy

Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.

HELPS Word-studies

3056 l�gos (from 3004 /l�gō, "speaking to a conclusion") � a word, being the expression of a thought; a saying. 3056 /l�gos ("word") is preeminently used of Christ (Jn 1:1), expressing the thoughts of the Father through the Spirit.



[3056 (l�gos) is a common term (used 330 times in the NT) with regards to a person sharing a message (discourse, "communication-speech"). 3056 (l�gos) is a broad term meaning "reasoning expressed by words."]







Make no mistake, when YHWH made man in His image / shadow, YHWH did not create man without a mind,

Man was created to Glorify GOD,and to the Glory of GOD He created man with a mind,and gave man the capacity to think,and to reason.



Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.



English-reason

Hebrew-yâkach



H3198

יכח

yâkach

BDB Definition:

1) to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right

1a) (Hiphil)

1a1) to decide, judge

1a2) to adjudge, appoint

1a3) to show to be right, prove

1a4) to convince, convict

1a5) to reprove, chide

1a6) to correct, rebuke

1b) (Hophal) to be chastened

1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together

1d) (Hithpael) to argue

Part of Speech: verb





The problem seems that you have been told by someone not to use your mind while studying the Word of YHWH , by doing so you are cutting yourself off from the Holy Spirit to be teaching you the truths within the Scriptures.



If you do not use your mind,what are you using the heart,well the heart is not what needs to be 'renewed' that is the 'reason' YHWH gives man a NEW heart after one FAITHS into Messiah to save them from the wrath of GOD.

Man needs the new heart as the old one is not reliabe.

er 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?





Shalom

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2014 02:36 PM

You have proved by words you are not walking in the light as he is in the light. You say your heart is wicked, by the law of faith you will have what you say.



All your definitions have proved to be fruitless, the word of God is spirit, and must be spiritually discerned, not mentally.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2014 07:04 PM

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You have proved by words you are not walking in the light as he is in the light. You say your heart is wicked, by the law of faith you will have what you say.







All your definitions have proved to be fruitless, the word of God is spirit, and must be spiritually discerned, not mentally.



Hi truth:

You and countless others can leave their minds unattended when you enter the so called church building.

I will have mine occupied with the Word of YHWH,and the things of Messiah Yeshua.



As far as the Word is concerned,i will continue to use the mind of Christ which the Holy Spirit has given to me.

I will take the power of the Holy Spirit and use the mind of Christ which has been given to me to discern between the false teachers,and false prophets,of which camp you seem to be near.



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Posted : 18 Jan, 2014 09:20 PM

If you have the mind of Christ but do you know what that means.



It is not a replacement for your unrenewed mind.



The mind of christ is a supernatural ability to think as god thinks your post do not agree with the word because you substitute the mind for the spirit.



To be a doer of the word as outlined in Col and Eph. one must have received the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Btw the way those that allow Jesus as lord of their lives know that tithing as an act of worship, worship as not confined to singing.

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Posted : 19 Jan, 2014 12:42 PM

Hi truth:



I see that you believe that i have substituted the word 'MIND' for the word 'spirit', hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.



I did copy and paste the translated Word of GOD Almighty,and you seem to be having a very difficult time believing the WORD of GOD Almighty.

It seems as though you believe that the Entire Word of GOD is to be understood spiritually,if you believe that then please tell me what this Scripture says translated spiritually.

John_11:35 Jesus wept.



I believe you do not know how to understand the Word of YHWH,it would behoove you to ask GOD Almighty to give you understanding,seeing that you like to argue with myself and others.



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1Ch 16:29 Give to the LORD the glory due His name;

Bring an offering, and come before Him.

Oh, worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness!





Psa 29:2 Give unto the LORD the glory due to His name;

Worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.





Jer 7:2 �Stand in the gate of the LORD's house, and proclaim there this word, and say, �Hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who enter in at these gates to worship the LORD!' �



*** Why is it that some folks that Dont attend any Church ( Building with Worshippers and Believers in side Singing and Prasing Yahshua in Spirit ) are always being so Critical of those that Do attend...Faithfully..What makes them think they are exempt ???...xo

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Posted : 20 Jan, 2014 02:06 PM

Hi Jude:



I do believe this is your reply.



*** Why is it that some folks that Dont attend any Church ( Building with Worshippers and Believers in side Singing and Prasing Yahshua in Spirit ) are always being so Critical of those that Do attend...Faithfully..What makes them think they are exempt ???...xo



First i would say that the so called 'church' does not exist in the Word of YHWH,nor is the 'church' what Messiah Yeshua said that He would build.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



Messiah is building HIS ASSEMBLIES of Called out ones,i believe MEN are building the 'church'



Worship is way beyond singing songs,as singing might contain praise,yet praise is not Worship.

Worship cannot be lead by any man,woman or child,ONLY the Holy Spirit can Empower a person to Worship Messiah Yeshua.

To Worthship Yeshua one needs the Holy Spirt,the Word of GOD and to have been broken,most people though have never been broken.



And meeting with the Saints of Messiah,'Wherever 2 or more come together,

big crowds and large buildings do not show forth that Messiah is doing anything there.

It might actually show that the Gospel s not being proclaimed in those places.



Jude, God Almighty does not set forth any particular time or place for people to meet together,nor is the so called pastor of any importance,the ONLY person which really matters is Messiah.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.



Shalom

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