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Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 24 Sep, 2013 09:15 PM
This series is a result of my commitment to respond to a thread that was started by Mcubed. The original thread can be found here: http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/cdff/CDFF_generic/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=18342&forum_sub_cat_id=14
For you M., May it please the Lord to grant you understanding.
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the "Biblical Balance" - History of the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism
LAYING SOME HISTORICAL FOUNDATION
The five points of Calvinism are actually a rebuke to the Remonstrants� five points which were derived from James (Jacobus) Arminius' challenge to Calvin and Beza. The five articles of the Remonstrants became the focus of the Synod of Dordtrecht (Dort) in the Netherlands, and occasioned The Canons of Dort, a document of the Dutch Reformed Church that rejected the teachings of Arminius and the Remonstrants and essentially declared their position to be heretical.
THE CANONS OF DORT: Overview
Ratified in the National Synod of the Reformed Church held at Dordrecht in the years 1618 and 1619
The Decision of the Synod of Dort on the Five Main Points of Doctrine in Dispute in the Netherlands is popularly known as the Canons of Dort (or the Five Articles Against the Remonstrants). It consists of statements of doctrine adopted by the great Synod of Dort which met in the city of Dordrecht in 1618-1619. Although this was a national Synod of the Reformed Churches of the Netherlands, it had an international character, since it was composed not only of sixty-two Dutch delegates, but also of twenty-seven foreign delegates representing eight countries.
The Synod of Dort was held in order to settle a serious controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism. Jacob Arminius (1560-1609), a theological professor at Leiden University, departed from the Reformed faith on a number of important points. After Arminius�s death, forty-three of his ministerial followers drafted and presented their heretical views to the States General of the Netherlands on five of these points in the Remonstrance of 1610. In this document and even more explicitly in later writings, the Arminians, who came to be called �Remonstrants,� taught:
1. Election based on foreseen faith
2. the universal merits of Christ
3. the free will of man due to only partial depravity
4. the resistability of grace, and
5. the possibility of a lapse from grace.
They desired the Reformed church�s doctrinal standards to be revised and their own minority views to be protected by the government. The Arminian-Calvinism conflict became so severe that it led the Netherlands to the brink of civil war. Finally in 1617 the States General voted four to three to call a national Synod to address Arminianism.
The Synod held 154 formal sessions over a period of seven months (November 1618 to May 1619). Thirteen Remonstrant theologians, led by Simon Episcopius, used various tactics to delay the work of Synod and to divide the delegates tactics which proved to be unsuccessful. Under the leadership of Johannes Bogerman, the Remonstrants were dismissed. The Synod then developed the Canons which thoroughly rejected the Remonstrance of 1610 and scripturally set forth the Reformed doctrine on these debated points, now popularly called �the five points of Calvinism�: unconditional election, limited atonement, total depravity, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.
Though these points do not embrace the full scope of Calvinism and are better regarded as Calvinism�s five answers to the five errors of Arminianism, they certainly lie at the heart of the Reformed faith, particularly Reformed soteriology, for they flow out of the principle of absolute divine sovereignty. They may be summarized as follows:
1. Unconditional election and faith are sovereign gifts of God.
2. While the death of Christ is abundantly sufficient to expiate the sins of the whole world, its saving efficacy is limited to the elect.
3,4. All are so totally depraved and corrupted by sin that they cannot effect any part of their salvation; in sovereign grace God irresistibly calls and regenerates the elect to newness of life.
5. Those thus saved God graciously preserves so they persevere until the end, even though they may be troubled by many infirmities as they seek to make their calling and election sure.
Simply stated, we may say that the subject matter of the Canons is: sovereign grace conceived, sovereign grace merited, sovereign grace needed and applied, and sovereign grace preserved. ** This has become known as the doctrines of grace.
Although in form the Canons have only four sections, we speak properly of five points or heads of doctrine because the Canons were structured to correspond to the five articles of the 1610 Remonstrance. The third and fourth sections were purposely combined into one since the Dortian divines considered them inseparable, and hence are designated as �Head of Doctrine 3/4.�
The Canons have a special character because of their original purpose as a judicial decision on the doctrinal points in dispute during the Arminian controversy. The original preface called them a �judgment, in which both the true view, agreeing with God�s Word, concerning the aforesaid five points of doctrine is explained, and the false view, disagreeing with God�s Word, is rejected.� The Canons also have a limited character in that they do not cover the whole range of doctrine, but focus on the five points of doctrine in dispute. Each of the main heads consists of a positive and a negative part, the former being an exposition of the Reformed doctrine on the subject, the latter a repudiation of corresponding Arminian errors. In all, the Canons contain fifty-nine articles of exposition and thirty-four repudiations of error.
The Canons form a remarkably scriptural and balanced document on the specific doctrines expounded. They are unique in being the sole Form of Unity composed by an ecclesiastical assembly and in representing a consensus of all the Reformed churches of their day. Both Dutch and foreign delegates without exception affixed their signatures to the Canons, whether of supralapsarian or infralapsarian persuasion. A service of thanksgiving was held upon the Canons� completion to acknowledge the Lord for preserving the doctrine of sovereign grace among the Reformed churches.
PARTICIPANTS IN THE SYNOD OF DORT
Official participation in the Synod of Dort, held in 1618�9 in Dordrecht in the Netherlands, consisted of different groups: Dutch ministers, church elders, and theologians; representatives of churches outside the Dutch Republic; and Dutch lay politicians. There were 14 Remonstrants who were summoned, in effect as defendants. There were also some observers, who had no voting status.
Dutch Theologians: 5
Dutch Pastors and Elders: 57
Delegates who attended from outside the Dutch provinces including 8 other countries: 27
Remonstrants: 14
Other Observers: 5
SUMMARY:
The five points (T.U.L.I.P) of doctrine that today goes by the name of "Calvinism" came about as a response to heresy that was being spread by a group known as the Remonstrants. The Remonstrants followed the teaching of Jacob Arminius.
There were dozens of theologians, pastors, elders that participated in the drafting of the Canons of Dort in response to the Arminian/Remonstrant heresy. It was not the work of one man.
The Synod held 154 formal sessions over a period of seven months.
John Calvin was not there at all and had nothing to do with any of it. Calvin died in 1564.
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 25 Sep, 2013 02:57 PM
TROLL - a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 25 Sep, 2013 03:08 PM
:applause:
There are plenty trolls here. Actually i do not believe there is one who care that they have been deceived by a false gospel, they know it all already and on the broad gate to hell, because i can not believe some could be so ignorant or arrogant of God's holy infallible word.
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 25 Sep, 2013 04:38 PM
Trolls ???...Hey...:excited:...arnt those the lil ugly dudes in legends and fantasys ???...which one are they ???...Calvinists or Arminists ???...Hey...why ima asking...What are Banshees and Harpys ???...Calvinists or Arminists ???...:laugh:...Courious lil Pea Brains want to know... X <>< O
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 25 Sep, 2013 05:30 PM
"There are plenty trolls here. Actually i do not believe there is one who care that they have been deceived by a false gospel, they know it all already and on the broad gate to hell, because i can not believe some could be so ignorant or arrogant of God's holy infallible word."
So let me get this right, Donna. You're saying that the "trolls"(I'm sure you just mean a few specific people here) are willingly and knowingly following a false gospel straight into hell?
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 25 Sep, 2013 08:36 PM
Good question Mark...and ya know she aint gonna answer that...:laugh:...whats ironic about those kinds of comments is that some folks here...( from the past and longer here ) believe and have stated that Calvinism is the devils doctrine and those that follow it are following a False Gospel and Doctrine right into hell...so that comment can go both ways...I myself have never called it that...I have said I don't by what ( Calvinists ) be selling...just as I don't buy what ( Arminians ) are selling either...X <>< O
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 26 Sep, 2013 12:02 PM
DontHitThatMark , indeed Paul states that God predestinates through foreknowledge. But the Bible doesn't tell HOW God predestinates through foreknowledge. I mean is it foreseen faith? Or something else? We simply can not know, because we don't understand God and how He thinks.
Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Biblical Balance - PART 1 - History of the debate
Posted : 26 Sep, 2013 06:34 PM
HERE ARE A FEW OF g-D�S POINTS ON FREE WILL:
Exodus 22:18
�You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
Leviticus 19:31
�Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your G-d.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12
�When you come into the land that the Lord your G-d is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your G-d is driving them out before you.
Leviticus 20:27
�A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.�
Deuteronomy 18:10
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer
2 Kings 21:6
And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.�
Galatians 5:20-21
Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of G-d.
2 Chronicles 33:6
And he burned his sons as an offering in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, and used fortune-telling and omens and sorcery, and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.
Leviticus 20:6
�If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, ... after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of G-d.
Acts 19:19
And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Isaiah 8:19
And when they say to you, �Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,� should not a people inquire of their G-d? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and presumption is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has also rejected you from being king.�
1 Chronicles 10:13-14
So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the Lord. Therefore the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse.
1 Samuel 28:9
The woman said to him, �Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?�
Deuteronomy 18:14
For these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your G-d has not allowed you to do this.
Revelation 22:15
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Acts 8:9
But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from G-d? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify G-d in your body.
Isaiah 19:3
And the spirit of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers;
1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance.
2 Kings 23:24
Moreover, Josiah put away the mediums and the necromancers and the household G-ds and the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, that he might establish the words of the law that were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.
Leviticus 19:26
�You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Revelation 21:1-27
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from G-d, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, �Behold, the dwelling place of G-d is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and G-d himself will be with them as their G-d. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.� And he who was seated on the throne said, �Behold, I am making all things new.� Also he said, �Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.� ...
Revelation 18:23
And the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.
Ezekiel 13:18
And say, Thus says the Lord G-d: Woe to the women who sew magic bands upon all wrists, and make veils for the heads of persons of every stature, in the hunt for souls! Will you hunt down souls belonging to my people
Isaiah 44:25
Who frustrates the signs of liars and makes fools of diviners, who turns wise men back and makes their knowledge foolish,
Isaiah 1:1-31
The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the Lord has spoken: �Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.� Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the Lord, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. ...
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your G-d is driving them out before you.
2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
Acts 16:16
As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling.
Acts 8:9-13
But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, �This man is the power of G-d that is called Great.� And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of G-d and the name of Y-shua Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
2 Kings 17:17
And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings and used divination and omens and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.
Acts 19:17-19
And this became known to all the residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks. And fear fell upon them all, and the name of the Lord Y-shua was extolled. Also many of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Micah 5:12
And I will cut off sorceries from your hand, and you shall have no more tellers of fortunes;
2 Kings 9:22
And when Joram saw Jehu, he said, �Is it peace, Jehu?� He answered, �What peace can there be, so long as the ...s and the sorceries of your mother Jezebel are so many?�
1 Samuel 28:7-25
Then Saul said to his servants, �Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.� And his servants said to him, �Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.� So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, �Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you.� The woman said to him, �Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?� But Saul swore to her by the Lord, �As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.� Then the woman said, �Whom shall I bring up for you?� He said, �Bring up Samuel for me.� ...
Deuteronomy 18:10-13
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your G-d is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your G-d,
1 Samuel 28:7
Then Saul said to his servants, �Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.� And his servants said to him, �Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.�
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
�When you come into the land that the Lord your G-d is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your G-d is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your G-d, ...
Exodus 7:10-12
So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron cast down his staff before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts. For each man cast down his staff, and they became serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.
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Isaiah 47:8-14
Now therefore hear this, you lover of pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, �I am, and there is no one besides me; I shall not sit as a widow or know the loss of children�: These two things shall come to you in a moment, in one day; the loss of children and widowhood shall come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and the great power of your enchantments. You felt secure in your wickedness, you said, �No one sees me�; your wisdom and your knowledge led you astray, and you said in your heart, �I am, and there is no one besides me.� But evil shall come upon you, which you will not know how to charm away; disaster shall fall upon you, for which you will not be able to atone; and ruin shall come upon you suddenly, of which you know nothing. Stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries, with which you have labored from your youth; perhaps you may be able to succeed; perhaps you may inspire terror. ...
1 Samuel 28:3
Now Samuel had died, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in Ramah, his own city. And Saul had put the mediums and the necromancers out of the land.
Galatians 5:1-26
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. ...
Daniel 2:27
Daniel answered the king and said, �No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers can show to the king the mystery that the king has asked,
Psalm 109:1-31
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. Be not silent, O G-d of my praise! For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me without cause. In return for my love they accuse me, but I give myself to prayer. So they reward me evil for good, and hatred for my love. ...
Deuteronomy 18:11
Or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead,
John 20:26-29
Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Y-shua came and stood among them and said, �Peace be with you.� Then he said to Thomas, �Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.� Thomas answered him, �My Lord and my G-d!� Y-shua said to him, �Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.�
Jeremiah 10:2
Thus says the Lord: �Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them,
Deuteronomy 4:19
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your G-d has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
Exodus 7:11
Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts.
Ezekiel 13:20
�Therefore thus says the Lord G-d: Behold, I am against your magic bands with which you hunt the souls like birds, and I will tear them from your arms, and I will let the souls whom you hunt go free, the souls like birds.
Psalm 103:2-4
Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits, who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy,
Nahum 3:4
And all for the countless horning�s of the prostitute, graceful and of deadly charms, who betrays nations with her whirring�s, and peoples with her charms.
Revelation 16:13
And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.
Proverbs 5:1-10
My son, be attentive to my wisdom; incline your ear to my understanding, that you may keep discretion, and your lips may guard knowledge. For the lips of a forbidden woman drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil, but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps follow the path to Sheol; ...
1. Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 1:20-21 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
Isaiah 49:1 - Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of G-d made he man.
1 John 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of G-d: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
John 3:16 - For G-d so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Luke 18:15 - And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when [his] disciples saw [it], they rebuked them.
Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 1:15 - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of G-d is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Revelation 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James 1:13 - Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of G-d: for G-d cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
James 1:1-27 - James, a servant of G-d and of the Lord Y-shua Messiah, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. (Read More...)
Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to G-d must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Galatians 3:26 - For ye are all the children of G-d by faith in Messiah Y-shua.
2 Corinthians 6:2 - (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of G-d; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Romans 10:17 - So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of G-d.
Romans 10:13 - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Messiah: for it is the power of G-d unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Acts 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance G-d winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 2:41 - Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Y-shua Messiah for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit).
Acts 2:1-47 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Luke 17:19 - And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Luke 14:26 - If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 12:47 - And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Isaiah 43:25 - I, [even] I, [am] he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Proverbs 6:16-17 - These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Proverbs 6:16 - These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Psalms 127:1-24 - (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain
2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Deuteronomy 27:25 - Cursed [be] he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Exodus 23:7 - Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Exodus 21:1-36 - Now these [are] the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
Genesis 25:23 - And the LORD said unto her, Two nations [are] in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and [the one] people shall be stronger than [the other] people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Genesis 9:12 - And G-d said, This [is] the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:
Genesis 2:17 - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 1:26-27 - And G-d said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Galatians 6:8 - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Read More...)
Deuteronomy 30:15-20 - See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.
1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.
Jeremiah 17:5-9
Thus says the Lord: �Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land. �Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord. He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear fruit.� The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? l
Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord G-d is an everlasting rock.
2 Corinthians 4:16-18
So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.
Philippians 4:4
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice.
Proverbs 4:26
Ponder the path of your feet; then all your ways will be sure.
1 Corinthians 2:1-16
And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of G-d with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Y-shua Messiah and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of G-d. ...
John 3:16
�For G-d so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:67-71
So Y-shua said to the Twelve, �Do you want to go away as well?� Simon Peter answered him, �Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of G-d.� Y-shua answered them, �Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.� He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray him.
John 6:50-71
This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.� The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, �How can this man give us his flesh to eat?� So Y-shua said to them, �Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ...
1 Peter 2:1-25
So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation� if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of G-d chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to G-d through Y-shua Messiah. ...
1 Corinthians 10:17
Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
Jeremiah 33:3
Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known.
1 Peter 1:19
But with the precious blood of Messiah, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
1 Corinthians 11:1-2
Be imitators of me, as I am of Messiah. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.
Genesis 1:29
And G-d said, �Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.
1 Peter 3:18-22
For Messiah also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to G-d, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when G-d's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to G-d for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Y-shua Messiah, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of G-d, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Romans 1:18-32
For the wrath of G-d is revealed from heaven against all unG-dliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about G-d is plain to them, because G-d has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew G-d, they did not honor him as G-d or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, ...
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of G-d.
John 3:17 ESV / 7
For G-d did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Luke 1:47-49
And my spirit rejoices in G-d my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
Mark 13:35
Therefore stay awake�for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning�
Psalm 37:3
Trust in the Lord, and do good; dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness.
1 Corinthians 10:15-17
I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Messiah? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Messiah? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
John 20:19-24
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Y-shua came and stood among them and said to them, �Peace be with you.� When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Y-shua said to them again, �Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.� And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, �Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.� ...
John 6:60-64
When many of his disciples heard it, they said, �This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?� But Y-shua, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, �Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.� (For Y-shua knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)
John 6:55-59
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.� Y-shua said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.
Mark 13:22
For false Messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
John 8:25
So they said to him, �Who are you?� Y-shua said to them, �Just what I have been telling you from the beginning.
Mark 13:34
It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake.
Mark 13:6
Many will come in my name, saying, �I am he!� and they will lead many astray.
Matthew 6:11-12
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
Zechariah 4:6
Then he said to me, �This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts.
1 Timothy 2:1-15
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, G-dly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of G-d our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one G-d, and there is one mediator between G-d and men, the man Messiah Y-shua, ...
Romans 2:6-8
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Mark 13:32
�But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:23
But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.
Mark 13:7
And when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. This must take place, but the end is not yet.
Mark 13:5
And Y-shua began to say to them, �See that no one leads you astray.
Matthew 28:18-20
And Y-shua came and said to them, �All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.�
Conclusive
To be really honest because I think you (not you personally, but you in general) will eventually try to get money from me. And I don�t have much, and work very hard for the little I do. You may not like that answer but it is honest. It�s not your fault but too many before you.
Personally, I like making friends in other countries, I scuba I liked being able to look someone else up and see if they wanted to go diving. But this is not a scuba site so really don�t know how to overcome that, except through prayer. Prayer overcomes everything!
1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
You miss quoted the scripture. People are made in the image of G-d so to even think badly about someone is to be against G-d, you are thinking badly about His creation. Continue in sin (or I should say stop) will bear fruit first in the covert, than all will see in the overt.
I can do nice things but think really bad thoughts. So this is the question � who is saved? Answerer : G-d knows the heart� no one else�.
Try a hobby, THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE (NOT NEEDLEPOINT�lol . Go to the gun range, or pick up scuba. Once you are certified it�s cheaper than golf or going out for dinner and a movie. And a lot more fun!!! You do meet all kinds of people and have a lot of fun too!!!!
