Thread: Looking for books mentioned but not included.
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Looking for books mentioned but not included.
Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 02:54 PM
I've came across a few books mentioned in what is left of the bible, but no longer included, if ever included. Some of them I am pretty sure have vanished from the face of the earth, or have yet to be un-earthed. Others on the other hand might be out there, but I've yet to find any info on them.
I'd be highly interested in reading them, so if anyone knows anything about them please shoot me some info!
Thankx in advance!!!
Book of the Wars of the Lord (NUM 21:14)
Book of Jasher (JOSH 10:13) FOUND? : http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html
Book of the Acts of Solomon (1st Kings 11:41)
Book of Samuel the Seer (1st Chr. 29:29)
Book of Gad the Seer (1st Chr. 29:29)
Book of Nathan the Prophet (1st & 2ndChr. 29:29)
Prophecy of Ahijah (2nd Chr. 9:29)
Visions of Ido the Seer (2nd Chr. 9:29)
Book of Shemaiah (2nd Chr. 12:15)
Book of Jehu (2nd Chr. 20:34)
Sayings of the Seers (2 Chr. 33:19)
An Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9)
An Epistle of the Church at Laodicea (Col 4:16)
Other Prophecies to Enoch (Jude 1:14)
Book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:7)
The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes (1 Samuel 10:25)
The Book(s) of Enoch : I have found these and from what I gather the 1st two books are held to be legit, but the third is said to have been written sometime in the past two thousand years, thus making it not part of the original two. And interesting thing about these books is that The Red Print in the New Testament quotes from these books various times, word for word, and yet the books were not included when the Roman Catholic Church took it upon themselves to consolidate the Christian Movement and construct their own collection and translation of texts that were in circulation at the time.
OK, I have Self Censored Some items here..It it doesnt post NOW I will just Rely On YHWH to Perform another Sign of the same nature that HE Performed when this Question was brought to me before. "Make My Day" YHWH Please..I Pray In Yahshuas Holy Name.
One More Try/Chance to Post The WHOLE (Slightly censored)THING:
Yes YHWH has allowed men to only use 66 books in the Bible, but that doesnt mean HE Wont Restore the Lost Ones.
HE has "allowed" HIS Children to be Sctattered to the 4 Winds TOO...
Until the Endtimes when HE Will make their Identity known & Restore Them Too.
66 is clearly the signature of 6th day man..& woman.
The Whole Bible is CLEARLY based on the Number 7...And I see No Authority to Change that Simple Fact.
Another Daniel asked a similar question about this... about 7 years ago (in my discussion group)...
I will re-post the discussion from there, to here now...Notice Here How YHWH Answered the Question...
And keep your ears open for more answers from HIM now.
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Message #227(then) of 1666(today) at "a discussion 4um 4 Daniels site"...posted by My Friend Daniel Paul(the Pastor) on 10/27/02:
Re: So Whats with this Book of Jasher thing?
Even though this is an old message, I did want to ask a question
regarding this.
Recently I was re-reading the Book of Enoch, and also the Book of
Jasher, but the question I have is this: how is it possible that
these non-canonical books are absolutely loaded with messianic
references and themes which were later even quoted/alluded to by
Jesus during his ministry on Earth?
The Book of Enoch in particular characterizes the Messiah in ways
that would be impossible to do prior to the calling of Isaiah and
Jeremiah to prophesy. In other words, even though some of these
books are largely labeled as literary and non-canonical, how is it
possible that a non-canonical book can hit the nail on the head so
squarely?
So then the question is, are these books really non-canonical, or
should we be reading them?
Message #228(then) of 1666(today) at "a discussion 4um 4 Daniels site"...posted by this Daniel(the Prophet) on 11/3/02:
Re: So Whats with this Book of Jasher thing?
Hi Daniel(Paul),
That is a real good question you are asking here...
I guess my best short answer would be to answer this
question with another equally good question:
How is it that the Bible (which is totally based on the number 7)
has only got 66 authorized "canonical" books in it?
I believe totally that the content of the Bible
is totally inspired & protected...
but as you know I have no form of trust in any form of "authority"
Except Yahweh/Yahshua.
Authorities have left out the best parts from the
"authorized" Bible to keep us in the dark & confused.
But The Wise are self illumined,
& they will not buy into the authorities deceptions.
If Yahshua endorses the Book of Jasher
and authorities wont acknowledge it,
then our path is clear, & so is our choice.
& their deception is also clear,
rather it is intended or not.
Message #229(then) of 1666(today) at "a discussion 4um 4 Daniels site"...posted by this Daniel(the Prophet) on 11/4/02:
Re: So Whats with this Book of Jasher thing?
So then the question is, are these books really non-canonical,
or should we be reading them?
As I always say, Yahweh is quite capable of answering our questions
if we just learn to read & listen to His answers.
This is a perfect example of how He does answer those questions
with Ultimate Authority over "authorities"
On "10/27" "1 2 7s"(77)Daniel Paul commented & posed a question
on message "227" "To 2 7s"(77)Daniel Prophet about rather or not
only the (66)"canonical" Books are to be considered as legitimate.
I emphatically (but sarcastically) said "No".
Yahweh backed up that answer within 1 hour
by the 7.9 Quake that hit Alaska ("All Aska" Him)
According to my (sometimes wrong) knowledge of the
"Apocryphal Books", there are 13, but my experience with them
comes from a large print catholic Bible (13th Edition?)
that I got (for almost nothing) at a swap meet a couple years ago.
Strangely enough this 13th? edition does not include the 2 books
of "Daniel & Suzanah" nor "Daniel & the Snake" because they
are included as extensions to the "Book of Daniel"
Theoretically that means this Bible is comprised of 77 books;
It is not available to me to check that though for a couple days.
But along with the Book of Jasher & the Book of Enoch,
(that Daniel Paul was asking about) that would make a
total of 79 Books that were endorsed yesterday By Yahweh
By the 7.9 Quake that hit almost exactly 1 hour after i posted
my reply to Daniels question 10/27 #227 on message on 11/3 as #228.
I cant help but wonder Daniel if you were/are yet aware of
the results/consequences that posting of #228 would bring?
2/28 of course being the oft mentioned 6.8 Olympia Quake
that still has this state capitol shut down for repairs to this day.
It was of course a direct result of "authorities" kidnapping Me
on 6/30 at 632 from 132nd, which then also did result in an Alaskan
6.3 Q at 6:32 GMT or 1:32 PDST on the 11th day after my incarceration.
I had promised authorities that Q on the 11th day...
but then they let me go after 6 days so the Q hit Alaska.
This 7.9 Alaskan Q yesterday was felt & actually did damage here too!
It was not only confirming & endorsing the 79 Books in question,
but also confirming everything else that I am always saying.
All news is connected intricately to me & to all of my
everyday daily trials & experiences...& questions etc.
and even the dates & numbers on this board are Totally Prophetic.
You cannot post a message like 228 without also seeing the
manifestations of the things that are associated with it(2/28).
228 speaks clearly of the "2 Who Are 2 EAT" "Two To Eat"
Everything and anything that comes against them.
Through the Power & Authority of the Light that is Within Them.
...Self censored satements deleted...
The "inversion" of 3/11 is 11/3. The Q was at 2:13...3/12 is opposite.
3/12 is also my birthdate from Jerusalems Time Zone &
of course Rev. 11:3-12 is where the 2 Wits Are Talked About.(who will be given power to perform these things)
I could go on for hours & hours just on this Q and its
associations.But I am already out of time...
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My answers here to Daniel Paul on 11/3 concerning this 7.9 Quake that was coming From YHWH Himself to overturn this idea of only 66 books can be even more easily understood when we see that if 66 is "overturned" or "overruled" it becomes a 99...This message "229" also Says "To 2 9s" U C?...
This Post, concerning the 7.9 Quake was also answered on 11/3...& 11/2(+)1/79 is also Daniel Pauls Birthday. 11/21/7.9...U C?
6 is the signature of 6th day man. We could even say that Biblically "66" is even the specific number of "Woman" because of strange associatons to the number 66...
For instance A Woman after giving birth to a Daughter was required to spend the 1st "66" Days isolated with that Daughter.
Even the English word "Woman" by abc=123 Adds up to 66...But C-H-R-I-S-T =s 77.
My 7th Day Freedom date on 7/7 was followed exactly
236 days (To 3 6s) by the Aforementioned 6.8 Q on 2/28 that brought the firewall down on the judgement seat of the (self censored word) judge who I boldly told that his courtroom would be coming down...by an Earthquake.
But by Daniels count using only 30 dqy months that 2/28 Quake was 236 days after that 7/2 court (ie. 7 months & 26 days from 7/2/2000 to 2/28/01..."To 666".
And dont forget that (Something Else) itself (opposing 3/11 me)
was also exactly 436 Days after that 7/2/2000 court.
Feds would do best to keep their noses out of YHWHs Business!!! (Something) was "For 3 6s" "For 666"
I, for one, can see clearly WHY "authorities" dont want Daniel 13 (& Other Books) Known or Taught To Men.
Because They Show Us That one little man + YHWH..Absolutely CAN Challenge, & Sucessfully bring down the highest "authorities"...even to their death.
Notice too that there are today "1666" messages on my board. "Won 666".
Laugh if you (anyone) wants...but YHWH does Use Anagraqmic Numbers to declare HIS JUDGEMENTS on earth.
And I, personally, dont think that YHWH Likes seeing HIS Word Condensed down to 66 Books. Yes HE dide allow it...But HE Can Change it too.
...it's good to meet you sir. I see you've done some home work and you are most certainly on to something. Most people don't even realize the fact that the Bible, the Hebrew language is VERY number centric, and if they do, they are quick (like the stories of the Nephilim, and mechelzedek) to ignore them, discount them as beyond our scope of understanding, or accept a generic Americanized explanation for them rather than research them more in depth which...
...inevitably requires one to look beyond the books included in the bible, and to look to the hieroglyphs, oral legends, and documents of other cultures and civilizations such as the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Pre-Egyptians, etc. etc. etc. As the Bible itself refers to time and time again. Also we must gain a better understanding of the Hebrew language and slang, Messianic Tradition (for better and worse), and a historical/political/social understanding of what was going on during these times and places that these books were important.
Anyhow, you caught my eye on many levels here and I intend to respond to this in more depth later on, but I have to note here that I am very excited to see their are Christians out there that do see Gods hints, and do feel compelled to understand them, and pierce through the fog that man has thrown in our way in order to veil his Luciferian agenda in clothes that appear, warm, friendly, loving, and all inclusive.
...I do seem to recall something about that, but my memory is cloudy.
I also recall the fact that half of Paul's letter were perhaps bogus or from a different author all together in that the stance from which the author comes changes, and some of the references within the later letters do not fall within the same time period as the early letters...
...it's been a while, there's so many things I have studied, heard about, and have noticed during my studies, it is hard to keep up with it all.
As for the Church fathers conspiring against man so that he may not know the full potential of God...
...you can say that again! I just love how they managed to subjigate the masses, and still hold such influence and power after all these years, even though their documents (which were not originally meant for the eyes of the common man) have been exploited for what they were, that being, Social Engineering in the name of The Lord, and human (6) (and therefore erroneous) dogma, which they sold through peer pressure, then later torture and death.
Ironically when the denominations (are we talking currency here?) split from the church (supposedly on their own will despite the church's all encompassing strength and power), they kept the church's (which they so despised) compilation and translation of the Bible. Granted there was once the Geneva Bible, but King James and friends made sure that that once died a quick death not to mention ANYONE who stood in their way.
I also find it interesting that these denominations also kept to the creeds as invented or at least made "Orthodxed" by the church, as if they totally forgot the struggles of the 1st 100 years of Christianity, that they forgot that the men who organized this religion in the name of The Messiah was none other than the self worshiping pagan fascist Roman government who had re-fashioned the gods in their own image for their own personal gain.
Man, to subjects I could expand upon right now...
...and the re-reading I need to do, again so much, so much ground to cover!
It is interesting that you point out the fact that the bible seems to be seven centric, well seven, twelve, and thirteen (the unlucky number). Strange that they should deem 13 an unlucky number considering that according the Hebrew, thirteen is the number of The Messiah, the Number of Rebellion....
There was Joseph who had 12 brothers. Jesus with twelve apostles, there are twelves housess in the Mazzaroth with The Son as their center....
...and low and behold the church, put together by a pagan institution had some familiarity with this on some level because they limited the number of gospels to four which corresponds to the seasons within the Mazzaroth...
...and here we are at the end of an Age (not the world) where in we meet the man (usually a woman in those times) at the water well carrying a pitcher.
Well I got to get to work soon, though I'd like to stick around and rant about The Builders and such, but that will have to wait for another time I suppose. :)
I know U can google it, but to jog your memory, Daniel 13 is about 2 judges of Judah who conspire to rape Suzanna. But She screams, so they fabricate a quick story of a secret lover who they say they found her with. Being a married woman the penalty is death. But a young Daniel halts the execution by examining the judges stories, & exposes their lies, & tells them that angels are standing by to behead them...in some versions though it seems that it is the people themselves who then rise up, righteously, & kill the judges.
Yea, It is no wonder that people often consider the number 13 as unlucky, because it is the Embodiment of the Battle Between 6 & 7.
But in addition to the SON & His 12 Disciples; & the Sun & the 12 Signs; & Israel & His 12 Sons as U have already mentioned,
we also have the 12 Tribes, which in theory are also 13, if You replace Joseph with his 2 sons Ephraim & Mannaseh
(whos names are used Much More often than Josephs).
And U could also even say that there are 13 Territories of Israel...12 in Israel..but The Whole Earth Is Our Inheritance!
Switching gears here a little, I am wondering if I should back track a little on my comments about the 66 books.
I just got ahold of an audio file talking about the "Infinity Bible Code". Google that(IBC)& it will lead you to a Yahoo group that I'm sure U will Love.
In short the "IBC" is a fairly new discovery using a "Wrap Method" to show repeating themes within the Bibles Books by advancing so many books (according to the Numeric Value of the subject matter) to find the common Themes in those Books.
(Or at least to the best of my present understanding that is the best way I can describe the IBC).
And even though I have never in my life heard any speaker or teacher ever even mention Daniel 13...
There It Was..Just this morning when I started listening to "Al Neals?) MP3 file of a phone conferance bible study.
He actually started talikng about Daniel 13, saying that the New Jerusalem Bible contains Daniel 13 & 14 :bouncy:...
But then he explained right away how this was Just Not Right, because the Infinity Bible Code could Not work if there were ANY Added Books, other than 66 ones present now...
I dont take his words as Gospel...(It may work better)...but it has really got me wondering...what a "Coincidence" huh???
So now I have 2 Conflicting Signs; & My mind is in Turmoil trying to figure out which is true.
And it seems that there can be no absolute answer on this other than by totally delving into the IBC to check that out.
To prove or disproove that the addition of Daniel 13 & 14 would mess up the whole congruity of the IBC.
I guess that Leon miight be right when he said that though they can be fun & informative the Apocrypha probably shouldnt be considered as Cannonical...
And even if Daniel 13 & 14 should be there, how can we ever know which others should or should not be there...
Other than Trust that YHWH Did allow it to be What It Is.
But then what was HE saying last time with the 7.9 Quake when I was Publically wondering if there should be 79 Books.
I really do not know how to decide these type of things in my mind other than through Signs...
But right now the signs are 1 to 1.
A 6.6 Quake right here would convince me that I should stop kicking against the 66 "authorized" Books & just accept those 66 Books.
A 7.9 in Washington DC or Rome? Or even Alaska would be a 2nd Witness to the Signs HE Gave The Last time...
And I guess a 7.9 with the erruption of Mt "ReDoubt" is about as likely as a 6.6 right here on our Juan de fucca Plate.
Maybe I'm just spoiled because of the way YHWH Has worked in the past...But the truth is i am not really all that smart, & certainly not educated..(And I have never heard voices:ROFL: or anything.
So I really just plain dont know how to decide on things like this...without signs.
But Yahshua said that the (3 Day) Sign of Jonah is ALL that an evil & adulterous generation will get..
Well, That Works Fine for Me, Cuz I got nothin at this point...
