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A Doctrine of Deception that May Lead Many to Destruction...
Posted : 18 Mar, 2009 10:29 PM
I am constantly confronted by people who have been terribly mislead by this popular eartickling notion that
todays churches will escape persecution & tribulation by being raptured away before hardtimes hit.
The Bible & Christ Himself very clearly teach us that this pre-tribulation "rapture" is not true.
Everyone knows Matthew 24 where Yahshua Himself says that Immediately AFTER the Tribulation He will send His Angels to Gather up His Elect.
Why is it that somany "Christians" listen to mens words, & refuse to believe Christ?
I think that this doctrine concerning the "Rapture of the Church"is a doctrine that seems to help seperate the sheep from the goats.
It is not as important as some other things like Keeping the Sabbath Holy, but it's obviously an issue that people have very strong feelings about
But they also have very differing views about this rapture subject too.
But the Truth is That There Is No Such Thing As 2 Different Truths. If there are 2 Different Doctrines, then 1 Is Truth, & 1 is a lie.
I am not saying that if your beliefs about the rapture are wrong, then you are going to hell...But I do believe that in this case,
If you believe the lie then you are setting yourself up for a fall.
The doctrine of the pretribulation rapture of the church-in my opinion-is one of the most destructive doctrines within todays apostate churches
because it will cause millions of mislead christians to lose their faith at the critical time when they actually need their faith more than ever!
So that is even my 1st argument against a large group of apathetic Christians who refuse to even discuss the subject by calling themselves "Pan-tribbers".
They say that everything will "Pan out in the end" so its not worth discussing.
But if the "2nd Coming of Christ" is not an important part of the actual "Gospel of Christ" then I just dont know what is! Its the Blessed Hope Itself.
I think Revelation would label "Pan-tribber" Christians as "Lukewarm"...
Then there is a small group of Christians who call themselves "Mid-tribbers".
Their general theory is that Christians experience Tribulation but not Wrath.
And that the Midpoint of the 70th Week is that point where the change happens.
Its a pleasant compromising theory that gives both sides a little wiggle room.
I think Mid-tribbers are mostly post-tribbers who just got tired of arguing!
But, the Whole Truth can not be derived by adding 1 Half Truth & 1 half lie.
There can be no compromise of the Truth when we are talking about Gospel Truths.
Any doctrine contrary to the the Gospel of Christ is a doctrine of antichrist.
Paul even said "if any man preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed"!
And Pauls teachings on this subject of the "rapture" are very very clear too
Everything about the pre-tribulation rapture is Totally Contrary To Pauls Words.
I cant understand for a second how or why pretribbers can say the exact opposite, & with complete sincerity, & a totally straight faces! It is mind boggling to me!
Concerning OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM Paul specifically said: Let no man deceive you in any way for that day will not come except
First the man of sin be revealed, who sits in the temple, saying he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2)...(& everyone? agrees that is halfway through the 70th Week)
NEWS FLASH FOLKS: You all get to meet antichrist before you go!You even get to see him commit the Abomination of Desolation.
Christ also Specifically tells us WHEN He Will Send Forth His Angels TO GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE 4 WINDS OF HEAVEN in Matt 24:
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS...
and then shall appear the Sign of the Son of Man, in heaven..
and they shall See the Son of Man COMING in the Clouds
of Heaven with Power & Great Glory..
BREAKING NEWS: Christ Himself Denies the "Pretribulation Rapture". By Clearly & Openly Proclaiming The POST(AFTER)TRIBULATION GATHERING
Why are there so many among you who insist that this happens BEFORE?
But the Bible is even way more specific than that concerning this Great Gospel of the 2nd Coming & the Transformation that occurs at that time.
Concerning this Transformation, We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 that: "Behold I Show You A Mystery" "We shall not all sleep(die), but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
AT THE LAST TRUMPET, For The TRUMPET SHALL SOUND and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and We shall Be Changed".
And When is that? At the 1st Trumpet? No, At THE LAST TRUMPET. Revelation 10:7 also talks about the Mystery of the 7th( Last) Trumpet, saying that:
...in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the Mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
But I guess there are those who try to say that this Coming is different than His secret "Thief" like coming that no one can ever Know the day or hour of.
We often hear about this secret? "Thief like" coming from 1 Thesalonians 5:2-3: For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape...
But it goes on to say: But YE BRETHREN ARE NOT IN DARKNESS THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF, (1 Thesalonians 5:4)...
In fact Christ Himself Reveals When that "Thief Like" Coming Is. "Behold, I Come As A THIEF. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"...Well Duh, this should clear things up!!
I mean, if He would just give us some indication of When This Is, It Would All Be Setttled!...I mean wouldn't it? You would think that Christ Himself would know...and not mislead us..
I mean this is even Christ Speaking in the Book of Revelation Itself Chapter 16 Verse 15..I definately think a little study here may give clues that might even reveal the timing.
Hmmm...How about looking at the very next verse, to give us a little context..Rev 16:16:
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon". Case Closed! UIant IT?
It is just like Christ said in Matthew 24 where we started from or Mark 13:19: "For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation
which God created unto this time, neither shall be".
Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days".
And we know this is before His Return because Mark 13 verse 21 continues by saying "And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ;
or,Lo, he is there; believe him not"...And I say to you if any man tells you that Jesus Christ will return to "rapture" his followers away Before the Tribulation Begins, Believe Him Not.
Wasnt it Yahshua Who said It is better to have a millstone hung around your neck & be thrown into the sea rather than to lead one of Christs Children astray...
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 10:16 AM
Hi Dan,:waving:
I don't think sticking around on this forum is a problem, I would have no reason to do or not do otherwise. But as you know church business for me is top priority over being on this board:glow: LOL
I would also ask, that you please not assume or misinterpret, or add to what I've said. I think this is the problem with a lot that goes on here in supposedly discussions, a lot of misinterpretations and misquoting what a person says, to fit another person's views or opinions, or to try and discredit what another persons has to say. I can't believe the many voices of god on this board...:yay:
And so many get completely off the topic and into something that isn't even connected or about the topic. Which is why, there is so much personal misinterpreting and assumming and not enough understanding clealer what the Word of God has to say. As I see it, if what a person says in a post on this board is misunderstood and misinterpreted, no wonder the Word of God is also misinterpreted and misunderstood, just to argue or debate a personal point of view, no spiritual wisdom or knowledge or undestanding as from the Holy Spirit, just a lot of top on the head talk.l
Therefore, Please reread my comment and question and see if it is indeed saying what YOU think and put into your own word what YOU thought I said and beleive. I don't know have you can suggest or assume what I am saying, and I don't think you will find YOUR assumptions of what I stated in my comment or question to be correct, as to what You posted I said or believed. Those are your assumptions and thoughts of what YOU think I'm saying and what you think I believe, and not mine. Plus, you didn't ask me what I believed or thought, and I didn't share with you what I believed or thought, I was asking and commenting on what YOU had posted. But I will share with you my views...
If anyone should be deceived during the Great tribulation by the antichrist, these are they who are not rooted and grounded in the word of God and are tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine that sounds good to them. They are unstable in what the word of God says, and one week they believe this, and next week someone comes along with another view, and they believe that, and are not sound or gorunded for themseleves in God's word by allowing the Holy Spirit to guide and teach them in God's word, nor are they able to comfirm the word of what the Holty Spirit give them with anyone who is SPIRITUAL MINDED and has spiritual discernment in the word of God. Those who believe that the elect(church) will endure some parts of the tribulation, AS I BELIVE... and those elect (church) who believe as you believe, that the church will endure all the tribulations. My questin is, does it matter if the church will be caught up (raptured) before, after or during the tribulations? I don't think so!
But one thing for sure, I do know , if as a christian you can't stand to be challenged in the word of God NOW, and if you're being tossed to and fro NOW, it is going to be a sad day for these when the antichrist himself does show up. There are many who believe as you, that the church will be around for the whole tribulation, this doesn't mean that you're going to be saved over those who belive that we the church will only endure parts of the tribulation...Those who can't discern between the true gospel of Jesus Christ and what God says in His word, because it is mixed with man's lies and misinterpretations of God's word by man's thoughts and techniques of interpretation, and not what The Holy Spirit is saying. These are they who will be decieved by the antichrist.
These are they who do not stand or speak out against the false teaching of the JW and or other false teachers and doctrines, and for the sakes of trying to be so kind and loving, which for the most part is nothing hypocrisy(dissimulation), and soft-shoe the gospel. They over look the truth of God gospel for the lie. Thus, I would have to wonder if, and how they will be able to stand up against and deny the false teachings and deceiving miracles and signs of great lying wonders of the antichrist when he comes in all of his false glory? And I think Jesus and Paul outlines all that the antichrist will be doing and that many who claim to be in Christ, and know the word will be deceived, because they are not grounded or rooted and do not stand on solid grounds in the word of God, and are of weak faith today, 2009, and not even to speak about such time of the appearing of the antichrist. Even so that some of the elects could possibly be deceived, say the Lord... this si why the church will be gathered together and their days shortened during the tribulation. But if you care to stick aorund, hey, that;s fine with me, as log as God says you can, then i have no problems with it:yay:
The warnings and outline of the events of the Great Tribulation are very clean. There are no doubts in my mind, and I think Jesus also makes it very clear that the church will be around only for a part of the Great Tribulation in Matthew chapter 24, verses 21 -22, this will be the separation of the wheat and the tare during the period of the anitchrist the falling away from the faith. ... but the church WILL Not ENDURE the complete seven years period of the tribulation... EXCEPT THOSE DAYS should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved... but for the sake of the elect (the church) those days... will be shortened.
So I ask you again, WHAT are the DAYS is Jesus talking about shortening for the eletc(church)? Mark makes it even clearer.
Mark chapter 13. And except that the Lord HAD shortened THOSE DAYS, no flesh would be saved, but for the sakes of the elect (church), WHOM HE HAS CHOSEN, HE has shortened the days...But in THOSE DAYS AFTER THAT tribulation (what THAT tribulation? isn't he speak about all the above events that will take place as descripbed by Jesus?) and the story doesn't end, there is the judgment and destruction much more going on and on. But Jesus is clearly speaking about the tribulation that the elect will endure during parts of the antichrist movement, Because as He lets us know that the gospel will be preached and decisions will be made, and so again, I ask YOU what days have been (or will be) shortened? Verse 26, THEN THEY (who are the THEY?)... will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory, ... and through verses 37.
Revelation chpater 7 speaks about the 144,000 being sealed, and the great multitude who will be praising God, a number that no man can number from all nations or people in verses 12- 14, Bro. John says this.... saying Amen!. Blessing, and glory, and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be unto our God forever and forever. And one of the elders anwered, saying to me, What (who) are these who are arrayed in white robes and where do they come from? And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who came OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
So are these the saints of the church who are going to be martyed during the tribulation? Or they the church who will endure the great tribulation? Or are they the church that are caught up (raptured) before, during, or after the tribulation? Os what is John speaking about? I think being ready to meet the Lord is the best great thing to being there, becasue you, I nor anyone knows the mind or ways of God except the Hoyl Spirit tells us... so it best to keep silent in the church on things as this matter.
However, I think its great news either way whether the church is still here preaching and teaching the gospel, or if the church is only parts of the spreading of the gospel during the tribulation and the weeding out of the true saints of God, or whatever God so decides for the church. Whether its before the Great Tribulation, After the Great Tribulation, or During the Great Tribulation, Jesus returns for His church and sets up His kingdom... as someone posted, your yes Lord, should be yes, and this is all that should matter. ARE YOU READY? ARE you winning souls for Jesus Christ?. And if not , then when these things do come to pass in their fullness, it will be too late.
The day of the Lord, This doesn't only mean during the time as we seek of Jesus returning in the clouds *the carrying away or rapture), but the day of the Lord also means that Jesus returns every day for His saints and the sinners through death. The big question is, are YOU READY!? Should you die today are you ready? Whether Jesus comes in the clouds or comes in your sleep or while you're riding your bike or walking out to your care, or if the day of the Lord comes in sickness, or an accident? Are you READY?
Dan, Hope you also know that Jesus isn't just speaking to us, but is also speaking to the Jews and all of Jerusalem and its fall in the last days... I think my comments and questions to you are very clear and does not suggest or even infer what YOU state I am saying...:zzzz::nahnah: LOL
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 10:37 AM
Ella,
That is one of the best arguments for a mid trib rapture I have seen, good job. I have often wondered about the mid trib theory because of the verses you mentioned.
My only concern for pre trib believers is that they think they can take the mark to feed their families because they refuse to see what is going on around them. All these man made doctrines can be destructive. How many of them will think God lied to them when it was Darby who didn't understand. I pray they are ready as Paul cautioned us to be.
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 10:42 AM
Geeezzz, I suppose it would be best and much faster, if I went and took typing classes, rather than wait for this site to get edit and specll check buttons for this forum...:rolleyes::excited::zzzz::bouncy::yay:
Sorry, Dan, about all the typos... sounds like I have a new typing disorde for the medical community to ponder over... typing- dyslexia:excited::yay:
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 11:18 AM
Ella:peace:
Hi:waving:
I see that U just posted, so let me try to give a quick answer so we can discuss this more:purpleangel:
Maybe U Misunderstood me:bunny:...how is That Possible:ROFL:
Thank U for Your long Thoughtful Post..But it seems most of it was just
accusing me of misquoting the things U said & twisting your beliefs...
I'm Sorry IF I Did That..
But I thought I clearly said From Beginning to End that I Am
Trying Desperately To Understand Where you Are Comig From..
& Asking For Even Just 1 Scriptural Reference for Proof.
I simply presented the Simple Timeline From Matthew 24,
Like U Asked...
And then I asked 3 Questions at the End Concerning How Your Beliefs Fit In...
I Thought I Put SEVERAL QUESTION MARKS AFTER EACH OF THOSE
QUESTION/STATEMENTS...I Thought Question Marks Meant That i Am Not ASSUMING Anything..
I Am Simply Looking For Answers To Why U Believe Like U Do...
Now in Quick answer to Your Recent Questions..If I can remember them now....
I dont see how "Shortening those days" (OF DESTRUCTION) In order to save Some Flesh necessarilyhas to have anything to do with a" pre" or "partial" tribulation rapture...
But it could be connected in Linear Time to tghe differenc between Daniels 360 Day Timelines 7 our 365.25 Day Timeline..(Wont get into that)
And Concerning those "Who came out of the Great Tribulation"...So that they hunger no more & thirst no more
shoulod give U a clue to Who they are and where they came from..Arent They those who die as Martyrs During the Tribulation because they werent ready physically at least to survive the times (NO thanks to U know who). They, I guess will take Their Place with the 5th Seal Martyrs of Rev. 6:9 o Pray For & Cheer On he Wise & Victorious
OVERCOMERS WHO ARE STILL CHEERFULLY & FAITHFULLY
FIGHTING THE FIGHT & RUNNING THE RACE..TILL DEATH..
OR UNTIL THE GAHERING IN THE SKY WHEN THEY ARE FINALLLY REUNITED WITH THEIR KING OF KINGS & LORD OF LORDS:yay:
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 10:18 PM
Thank Leon. And you're right, people tend to pay more attention to what John Darby and others have to say about God's word than what the Holy Spirit is saying. Its great to do reference reading of commentaries and compare what you feel the Holy Spirit has given you, with those scholars and theologians who have translated scriptures,from the Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, to see if indeed we're lined up with God's word. But it does get out of hand when you totally depend upon what they say, and dispute what the word of God says.
Thank God for John Darby, Matthew Henry, and Adam Clarke, and John Calvin and John Wesley and all the other great theologians and scholars who have given us God's word in our language. BUT MOST OF ALL THANK GOD AND PRAISE HIM FOR HIS HOLY SPIRIT who promises to lead us into ALL things we have need to know in God's word, all things we are to know about God, and all things we're to know about who we are and are to be in Christ.
God's grace and mercy,
ella
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Dan,
Sorry, but I can't find a pacifier... but you'll be ok.. :yay: You're still my friend. And I do love ya much. :peace:
I just hope you will be better able to endure what you call "accusations" by the world's system and those who follow after the antichrist, and the coming persecution of the church during the tribulation period (since it is your desire to be around for the tribulation).... than your expressions of displeasure in what I wrote., in that you say I was accusing you of whatever...:zzzz:
... funny, how every one can state what they think about what I say, and I keep silent to all your comments. But as soon as I hit back, no one likes what I speak... so get a grip and keep it moving!
If you can't stand what I speak, how in the world are you going to stand in the day of the Great Tribulation... maybe, you have need to make other arrangements, and plan on being caught up (Raptured), with the rest of the saints, because I don't think you're going to make the tribulation during the time of the antichrist and the persecution of the church. The mind might be willing, but I really don't think your flesh is going to stay the course of the seven years... :winksmile::yay::ROFL::excited::nahnah::yay:
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 11:06 PM
Thanks for your concern Ella, & Your love...
And You Are Absolutely Correct
I will be OK, :peace:& I will be helping those who weren't prepared too...
My life has been filled with so many trials & tribulations..I think the Great Tribulation will be a Breeze.:nahnah:.Comparatively.
Eze 14:12 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
(If This Happens)
Eze 14:13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
Eze 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
(If This Happens)
Eze 14:15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
Eze 14:16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.
(If This Happens)
Eze 14:17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:
Eze 14:18 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.
(If This Happens)
Eze 14:19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:
Eze 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
(WHEN THIS DOES HAPPEN)
Eze 14:21 For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgme...
nts upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?
Eze 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.
(THEN THESE MEN & OTHERS WILL BE HERE)
Eze 14:23 And THEY SHALL COMFORT YOU, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE EVENTS HAVE AN AMAZING CORRELATION TO THE 4 HORSES OF THE APOCALYPSE?!?
AND ITS REALLY VERY SIMPLE PEOPLE...LIKE I KEEP SAYING
IT IS YHWHs JUDGEMENTS UPON THE EARTH THAT BRING JUSTICE TO US..ITS A TIME OF GLADNESS FOR HIS SAINTS.
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Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 11:33 PM
:angel: Dan, you're my kind of guy:applause: You'll be just fine, and I think we will all be just fine, if we all get back to the biusiness and basics of the day that Jesus Christ has called us to take care of, until He returns... and that's winning souls for the kingdom. This is our mission for Christ, and God is going to judge us as to how many souls we feed with the doctrine of Jesus Christ, and not the doctrine and teachings of men... or our own views and opinions trying to second guess His word...
One things for sure, we as christians who are faithful in His word, should all know for a fact, and that is that Jesus died a suffering sacrifical dead in humilations on a cross for our sins, and He reaally didn't have to do it... But PRAISE GOD HE DID, and for this cause, I'm grateful and I blessed His Holy powerful name for my salvation.:dancingp::applause::glow:
My goal is to be ready for whenever He does return, and to be caughtup (Raptured) in the sky with Him either way, from the grave or from the earth. I plan to catch that midnight train to heaven, and not to hell:yay:
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Posted : 26 Mar, 2009 11:42 AM
Hi Everyone,
1 Corinthians 15: 50-54
Below is one of the key main Resurrection and Rapture passages. Notice the context in verse 50. The Kingdom of God.
Now the Kingdom we all know is not physically established on Earth until Christ returns AFTER the Great Tribulation. This is where He sets up His Kingdom on Earth, forever. This is part of the context.
1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Why are we going to be changed? Because "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God".
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The phrase: The dead shall be raised incorruptible refers to the Resurrection of the bodies of the dead believers in Christ. The phrase: "and we shall be changed, refers to the Rapture", which immediately follows the Resurrection.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The phrase: Death is swallowed up in victory, is an Old Testament prophesy found in Isaiah 25:8
Notice that Paul tells us WHEN the resurrection and Rapture will occur. When an Old Testament passage comes to past. This is where we must look to Isaiah 25:8. But before you do, it would be good to read all of chapter 24 and then 25 to get the context. In summary, chapter 24 ends with a great earthquake and the "Sun and Moon" signs occuring and then the entire context of Isaiah 25 is the beginning of the establishment of the Kingdom of Christ here on Earth, which we know occurs AFTER the Great Tribulation. Also notice that God will wipe away all tears from off ALL faces. There is no question as to the timing of the Rapture here. It is clearly Post-Tribulational.
Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
When does God wipe away ALL tears from off ALL faces?
After Christ returns which is after the Great Tribulation where He sets up His Kingdom here on Earth. Paul has clearly told us that the future Resurrection AND Rapture occurs AFTER the Tribulation.
One more important point I will add to this is concerning Isaiah 24. Isaiah 25 follows 24 in proper sequence.
Isaiah 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
This is an interesting passage in not only that it talks about the Lord reigning but also the Sun and Moon signs. Why is this significant? Because the sun and moon signs are the signs that occur AFTER the Tribulation ends and just prior to the 2nd Coming of Christ our Lord. This is also known as "The Day of the Lord".
Acts 2: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
How do we know this is AFTER the great Tribulation? Let's see when Jesus places this event.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
So as we can see, all the passages above speak very clearly as the Resurrection AND the Rapture occuring AFTER the Great Tribulation, proving once again that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a seriously False Doctrine / Teaching and that the Post-Tribulation/Pre-Millennial Rapture is the only correct Biblical position.
