CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 03:18 PM
nope the people on this site sow strife and pride. if an unbeliever came here they would run far from Christ. they can find the same bashing of one another in the world.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 03:20 PM
Determinedly Disciplie other things. Ture determination and zeal are found in obeying God, not in the inclination to serve Him. It is inconceivable, but true nevertheless, that Saints are simply doing work for God that has been instigated by their own human nature and has not been made Spiritual through determeined Discipline.
We have a tendency to forget that a person is not only committed to Jesus Christ for Savlavation but also Committed, Reesponsible, and Accountable to Jesus Christ's view of ?God, the World, and Sin.
Bringing evey thought into captivity to the Obedience of Christ
2 Cornthians 10:5
I believe Forum participants need to be lead by "Holy Spirit"
to all be in Agreeance on the Word of God.
:prayingf:
Many do not even have a personal relationship with Jesus, and still in their Sin. Especially those that do not believe
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 05:02 PM
Shared ~ You can NOT save anyone.
*** You are right...No one can Save any one...ONLY Christ Jesus can do that...and the Holy Spirit of GOD the Father will lead a person to Conviction and Repentance...No one here "Thinks" they can do the "Work" of the Holy Spirit...We are Called to Preach the Message of the Kingdom of GOD and Salvation...aka...the �Great Commission�...People can not Lead a person to Christ Jesus unless they Understand the Scriptures pertaining to the Great Commission and the "Work" of the Holy Spirit�.We also lead by Example�and here is an Example�You can lead a Mule to water...and (if) it drinks...its still a Mule until the Holy Spirit of God changes it...from the inside out..."New Creature"...Old Self Dieing and Renewal of Mind and Outward Actions...
And the question is...CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
*** Any behavior that goes against Love of GOD and Nieghbor (Brother and Sisiters) is a Sign of Dis-Ease within that persons behaviour and not a very Good indication of what and how Christ Jesus would have people act and behave towards each other...Anger does not Beget Love...Love Begets LOVE...and Truth be told...there aint much LOVE here in the forums recently..xo.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 05:06 PM
Donna you are still refusing to explain the scripture passages about winning souls for the kingdom of God, and being an example is conduct as proof that a person is truly a converted child of God walking in behavior of a born agian believer.
Again, I suppose you are calling God the liar because you deny the turth of what He speaks in HIs word.
So let me help you out here dear heart with what God REQUIRES of ALL THOSE WHO ARE CALLED BY HIS NAME AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS AND CONDUCT AND BEHAVIOR WHEN IT COMES TO SOUL WINNING
Dermon Soul-Winning Explained by Charles Spurgeon
"He that winneth souls is wise."�Proverbs 11:30 Solomon, in the text before us, awards no crown for wisdom to crafty statesmen, or even to the ablest of rulers; he issues no diplomas even to philosophers, poets, or men of wit; he crowns with laurel only those who WINS SOULS. He does not declare that he who preaches is necessarily wise; and alas! there are multitudes who preach, and gain much applause and eminence, who win no souls, and who shall find it go hard with them at the last, because in all probability they have run and the Master has never sent them.
Solomon does not say that he who talks about winning souls is wise, since to lay down rules for others is a very simple thing, but to carry them out one's self is far more difficult. He who actually, really, and truly turns men from the error of their ways to God, and so is made the means of saving them from going down to hell, is a wise man; and that is true of him whatever his style of SOUL-WINNING may be.
He may be a Paul, deeply logical, profound in doctrine, able to command all candid judgments; and if he thus wins souls, he is wise. He may be an Apollos, grandly rhetorical, whose lofty genius soars into the very heaven of eloquence; and if he wins souls in that way, he is wise, but not otherwise.
Or he may be a Cephas, rough and rugged, using uncouth metaphor and stern declamation; but, if he wins souls, he is no less wise than his polished brother or his argumentative friend, but not else.
The great wisdom of soul-winners, according to the text, is proven only by their actual success in really winning souls. To their own Master they are accountable for the ways in which they go to work, not to us. Do not let us be comparing and contrasting this minister and that. Who art thou that judgest another man's servants? Wisdom is justified in all her children. Only children wrangle about incidental methods: men look at sublime results. Do these workers of many sorts and divers manners win souls? Then they are wise; and you who criticise them, being yourselves unfruitful, cannot be wise, even though you affect to be their judges.
God proclaims soul-winners to be wise, dispute it who dare. This degree from the College of Heaven may surely stand them in good stead, let their fellow-mortals say what they will of them.
"He that winneth souls is wise," and this can be seen very clearly. He must be a wise man in even ordinary respects who can by grace achieve so divine a marvel. Great soul-winners never have been fools. A man whom God qualifies to win souls could probably do anything else which providence might allot him.
I know the Lord uses what means He wills, but He always uses means suitable to the end; and if you tell me that David slew Goliath with a sling, I answer�it was the best weapon in the world to reach so tall a giant, and the very fittest weapon that David could have used, for he had been skilled in it from his youth up. There is always an adaptation in the instruments which God uses to produce the ordained result; and though the glory is not to them, nor the excellence in them, but all is to be ascribed to God, yet is there a fitness and preparedness which God seeth, even if we do not. It is assuredly true that soul-winners are by no means idiots or simpletons, but such as God maketh wise for Himself, though vain-glorious wise-acres may dub them fools.
"He that winneth souls is wise," because he has selected a wise object.
If God shall bless us to the winning of souls, our work shall remain when the wood, and hay, and stubble of earth's art and science shall have gone to the dust from which they sprang. In heaven itself, the soul-winner, blessed of God, shall have memorials of his work preserved for ever in the galleries of the skies. He has selected a wise object, for what can be wiser than to glorify God, and what, next to that, can be wiser than in the highest sense to bless our fellow-men; to snatch a soul from the gulf that yawns, to lift it up to the heaven that glorifies; to deliver an immortal from the thraldom of Satan, and to bring him into the liberty of Christ? What more excellent than this? I say, that such an aim would commend itself to all right minds, and that angels themselves may envy us poor sons of men that we are permitted to make this our life-object, to win souls for Jesus Christ. Wisdom herself assents to the excellence of the design.
To accomplish such a work, a man must be wise, for to win a soul requires infinite wisdom. God Himself wins not souls without wisdom, for the eternal plan of salvation was dictated by an infallible judgment, and in every line of it infinite skill is apparent. Christ, God's great Soul-Winner, is "the wisdom of God" as well as "the power of God." There is as much wisdom to be seen in the new creation as in the old.
In a sinner saved, there is as much of God to be beheld as in a universe rising out of nothing; and we, then, who are to be workers together with God, proceeding side by side with Him to the great work of soul-winning, must be wise, too. It is a work which filled the Saviour's heart, a work which moved the mind of the Eternal Jehovah or ever the earth was. It is no child's play, nor a thing to be achieved while we are half asleep, nor to be attempted without deep consideration, nor to be carried on without gracious help from the only-wise God, our Saviour. The pursuit is wise.
Mark ye well, my brethren, that he who is successful in soul-winning, will prove to have been a wise man in the judgment of those who see the end as well as the beginning. Even if I were utterly selfish, and had no care for anything but my own happiness, I would choose, if I might, under God, to be a soul-winner, for never did I know perfect, overflowing, unutterable happiness of the purest and most ennobling order, till I first heard of one who had sought and found a Saviour through my means. I recollect the thrill of joy which went through me! No young mother ever rejoiced so much over her first-born child, no warrior was so exultant over a hard-won victory.
Oh! the joy of knowing that a sinner once at enmity has been reconciled to God, by the Holy Spirit, through the words spoken by our feeble lips. Since then, by grace given to me, the thought of which prostrates me in self-abasement, I have seen and heard of, not hundreds only, but even thousands of sinners turned from the error of their ways by the testimony of God in me.
Let afflictions come, let trials be multiplied as God willeth, still this joy preponderates above all others, the joy that we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ in every place, and that as often as we preach the Word, hearts are unlocked, bosoms heave with a new life, eyes weep for sin, and their tears are wiped away as they see the great Substitute for sin, and live.
Beyond all controversy, it is a joy worth worlds to win souls, and, thank God, it is a joy that does not cease with this mortal life.
I have said enough, brethren, I trust, to make some of you desire to occupy the position of soul-winners: but before I further address myself to my text, I should like to remind you that the honour does not belong to ministers only; they may take their full share of it, but it belongs to every one of you who have devoted yourselves to Christ: such honour have all the saints. Every man here, every woman here, every child here, whose heart is right with God, may be a soul-winner. There is no man placed by God's providence where he cannot do some good. There is not a glowworm under a hedge but gives a needed light; and there is not a labouring man, a suffering woman, a servant-girl, a chimney-sweeper, or a crossing-sweeper, but has some opportunities for serving God; and what I have said of soul-winners, belongs not to the learned doctor of divinity, or to the eloquent preacher alone, but to you all who are in Christ Jesus.
You can each of you, if grace enables you, be thus wise, and win the happiness of turning souls to Christ through the Holy Spirit.
I am about to dwell upon my text in this way�He that winneth souls is wise; "I shall, first, make that fact stand out a little clearer by explaining the metaphor used in the text�winning souls; and then, secondly, by giving you some lessons in the matter of soul-winning, through which I trust the conviction will be forced upon each believing mind that the work needs the highest wisdom.
I. First, LET US CONSIDER THE METAPHOR USED IN THE TEXT: "He that winneth souls is wise."
We use the word "win" in many ways. It is sometimes found in very bad company, in those games of chance, juggling tricks and sleight-of-hand, or thimble-rigging (to use a plain word), by which sharpers are so fond of winning. I am sorry to say that much of legerdemain and trickery are to be met with in the religious world. Why, there are those who pretend to save souls by curious tricks, intricate manoeuvres, and dexterous posture-making!
How do we win souls, then? Why, the word "win" has a better meaning far. It is used in warfare. Warriors win cities and provinces. Now, to win a soul, is a much more difficult thing than to win a city. Observe the earnest soul-winner at his work; how cautiously he seeks his great Captain's directions to know when to hang out the white flag to invite the heart to surrender to the sweet love of a dying Saviour; when, at the proper time, to hang out the black flag of threatening, showing that, if grace be not received, judgment will surely follow; and when to unfurl, with dread reluctance, the red flag of the terrors of God against stubborn, impenitent souls. The soul-winner has to sit down before a soul as a great captain before a walled town; to draw his lines of circumvallation, to cast up his entrenchments, and fix his batteries. He must not advance too fast, or he may overdo the fighting; he must not move too slowly, or he may seem not to be in earnest, and may do mischief.
The Christian soldier must know how to advance by little and little,�to sap that prejudice, to undermine that old enmity, to blow into the air that lust, and at the last, to storm the citadel. It is his to throw the scaling ladder up, and to have his ears gladdened as he hears a clicking on the wall of the heart, telling that the scaling ladder has grasped and has gained firm hold; and then, with his sabre between his teeth, to climb up, spring on the man, slay his unbelief in the name of God, capture the city, run up the blood-red flag of the cross of Christ, and say, "The heart is won, won for Christ at last." This needs a warrior well-trained, a master in his art. After many days attack, many weeks of waiting, many an hour of storming by prayer and battering by entreaty, to carry the Malakoff of depravity, this is the work, this is the difficulty. It takes no fool to do this. God's grace must make a man wise thus to capture Mansoul, to lead its captivity captive, and open wide the heart's gates that the Prince Immanuel may come in. This is winning a soul.
Now, a true soul-winner has often to come to close quarters with the devil within men. He has to struggle with their prejudice, with their love of sin, with their unbelief, with their pride, and then again, all of a sudden, to grapple with their despair; at one moment he strives with their self-righteousness, at the next moment with their unbelief in God. Ten thousand arts are used to prevent the soul-winner from being conqueror in the encounter; but if God has sent him, he will never renounce his hold of the soul he seeks till he has given a throw to the power of sin, and won another soul for Christ.
Besides that, there is another meaning to the word "win" upon which I cannot expatiate here. We use the word, you know, in a softer sense than these which have been mentioned, when we come to deal with hearts. There are secret and mysterious ways by which those who love win the object of their affection, which are wise in their fitness to the purpose. I cannot tell you how the lover wins his fond one, but experience has probably taught you.
The weapon of this warfare is not always the same, yet where that victory is won the wisdom of the means becomes clear to every eye. The weapon of love is sometimes a look, or a soft word whispered and eagerly listened to; sometimes it is a tear; but this I know, that we have, most of us in our turn, cast around another heart a chain which that other would not care to break, and which has linked us twain in a blessed captivity which has cheered our life. Yes, and that is very nearly the way in which we have to save souls.
That illustration is nearer the mark than any of the others. Love is the true way of soul-winning, for when I spoke of storming the walls, and when I spoke of wrestling, those were but metaphors, but this is near the fact. We win by love. We win hearts for Jesus by love, by sympathy with their sorrow, by anxiety lest they should perish, by pleading with God for them with all our hearts that they should not be left to die unsaved, by pleading with them for God that, for their own sake, they would seek mercy and find grace. Yes, sirs, there is a spiritual wooing and winning of hearts for the Lord Jesus; and if you would learn the way, you must ask God to give you a tender heart and a sympathising soul.
I believe that much of the secret of soul-winning lies in having bowels of compassion, in having spirits that can be touched with the feeling of human infirmities.
Soul-winners might learn much from them. We must have our lures for souls, adapted to attract, to fascinate, to grasp. We must go forth with our bird-lime, our decoys, our nets, our baits, so that we may but catch the souls of men. Their enemy is a fowler possessed of the basest and most astounding cunning; we must outwit him with the guile of honesty, the craft of grace. But the art is to be learned only by divine teaching, and herein we must be wise and willing to learn.
God gives to those whom He makes soul-winners a natural love to their work, and a spiritual fitness for it. There is a sympathy between those who are to be blessed and those who are to be the means of blessing, and very much by this sympathy, under God, souls are taken but it is as clear as noonday that, to be a fisher of men a man must be wise. "He that winneth souls is wise."
II. And now, brethren and sisters, you who are engaged in the Lord's work from week to week, and who seek to win men's souls to Christ, I am, in the second place, to illustrate this by telling you of SOME OF THE WAYS BY WHICH SOULS ARE TO BE WON.
The preacher himself wins souls best, I believe, when he believes in the reality of his work,�when he believes in instantaneous conversions. How can he expect God to do what he does not believe God will do? He succeeds best who expects conversion every time he preaches. According to his faith so shall it be done unto him. To be content without conversions, is the surest way never to have them; to drive with a single aim entirely at the saving of souls, is the surest method of usefulness. If we sigh and cry till men are saved, saved they will be.
He will succeed best, who keeps closest to soul-saving truth. Now, all truth is not soul-saving, though all truth may be edifying. He that keeps to the simple story of the cross, tells men over and over again that whosoever believeth in Christ is not condemned, that to be saved, nothing is wanted but a simple trust in the crucified Redeemer; he whose ministry is much made up of the glorious story of the cross, the sufferings of the dying Lamb, the mercy of God, the willingness of the great Father to receive returning prodigals; he who cries, in fact, from day to day, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world," he is likely to be a soulwinner, especially if he adds to this much prayer for souls, much anxious desire that men may be brought to Jesus) and then in his private life seeks as much as in his public ministry to be telling out to others of the love of the dear Saviour of men.
But I am not talking to ministers, but to you who sit in the pew, and therefore to you let me turn myself more directly. Brothers and sisters, you have different gifts. I hope you use them all. Perhaps some of you, though members of the church, think you have none; but every believer has his gift, and his portion of work.
What can you do to win souls? Let me recommend to those who think they can do nothing, the bringing of others to hear the Word. That is a duty much neglected. I can hardly ask you to bring anybody here, but many of you attend other places which are not perhaps half filled. Fill them. Do not grumble at the small congregation, but make it larger. Take somebody with you to the very next sermon, and at once the congregation will be increased. Go up with the prayer that your minister's sermon may be blessed, and if you cannot yourselves preach, yet, by bringing others under the sound of the Word, you may be doing what is next best.
This is a very common-place and simple remark, but let me press it upon you, for it is of great practical value. Many churches and chapels, which are almost empty, might soon have large audiences if those who profit by the Word would tell others about the blessing they have received, and induce them to attend the same ministry.. Get them under the Word, and who knoweth what may be the result? Oh, what a blessing it would be to you if you heard that what you could not do,�for you could scarcely speak for Christ,�was done by your pastor, by the power of the Holy Spirit, through your inducing one to come within gunshot of the gospel!
Next to that, soul-winners, try after sermon to talk to strangers. The preacher may have missed the mark, but you need not miss it; or the preacher may have struck the mark, and you can help to make the impression deeper by a kind word. I recollect several persons joining the church who traced their conversion to the ministry in the Surrey Music Hall- but who said it was not that alone, but another agency co-operating therewith. They were fresh from the country, and some good man,�I knew him well,�think he is in heaven now,�met them at the gate, spoke to them, said he hoped they had enjoyed what they had heard, heard their answer, asked them if they were coming in the evening, said he would be glad if they would drop into his house to tea; they did, and he had a word with them about the Master. The next Sunday it was the same, and at last, those whom the sermons had not much impressed, were brought to hear with other ears, till by-and-by, through the good old man's persuasive words, and the good Lord's gracious work, they were converted to God. There is a fine hunting-ground here, and indeed in every large congregation, for you who really want to do good. How many come into this house every morning and evening with no thought about receiving Christ!
Oh, if you would all help me, you who love the Master, if you would all help me by speaking to your neighbours who sit near to you, how much might be accomplished! Never let anybody say, "I came to the Tabernacle three months, and nobody spoke to me;" but do, by a sweet familiarity, which ought always to be allowable in the house of God, seek with your whole heart to impress upon your friends the truth which I can only put into the ear, but which God may help you to put into the heart.
Further, let me commend to you, dear friends, the art of button-holing acquaintances and relatives. If you cannot preach to a hundred, preach to one. Get a hold of the man alone, and in love, quietly and prayerfully, talk to him. "One!" say you. Well, is not one enough? I know your ambition, young man; you want to preach here, to these thousands; be content, and begin with the ones. Your Master was not ashamed to sit on the well, and preach to one; and when He had finished His sermon, He had really done good to the whole city of Sychar, for that one woman became a missionary to her friends. Timidity often prevents our being useful in this direction, but we must not give way to it; it must not be tolerated that Christ should be unknown through our silence, and sinners unwarned through our negligence. We must school and train ourselves to deal personally with the unconverted. We must not excuse ourselves, but force ourselves to the irksome task till it becomes easy.
This is one of the most honourable modes of soul-winning; and if it requires more than ordinary zeal and courage, so much the more reason for our resolving to master it. Beloved, we must win souls, we cannot live and see men damned; we must have them brought to Jesus. Oh! then, be up and doing, and let none around you die unwarned, unwept, uncared-for. A tract is a useful thing, but a living word is better. Your eye, and face, and voice will all help. Do not be so cowardly as to give a piece of paper where your own speech would be so much better. I charge you, attend to this, for Jesus' sake.
Some of you could write letters for your Lord and Master. To far-off friends, a few loving lines may be most influential for good. Be like the men of Issachar, who handled the pen. Paper and ink are never better used than in soul-winning. Much has been done by this method. Could not you do it? Will you not try? Some of you, at any rate, if you could not speak or write much, could live much. That is a fine way of preaching, that of preaching with your feet,�I mean preaching by your life, and conduct, and conversation. That loving wife, who weeps in secret over an infidel husband, but is always so kind to him; that dear child, whose heart is broken by his father's blasphemy, but is so much more obedient than he used to be before conversion; that servant, at whom the master swears, but whom he could trust with his purse, and the gold uncounted in it; that man in trade, who is sneered at as a Presbyterian, but who, nevertheless, is straight as a line, and would not be compelled to do a dirty action, no, not for all the mint; these are the men and women who preach the best sermons; these are your practical preachers.
Give us your holy living, and with your holy living as the leverage, we will move the world. Under God's blessing, we will find tongues if we can, but we greatly need the lives of our people to illustrate what our tongues have to say. The gospel is something like an illustrated paper. The preacher's words are the letterpress, but the pictures are the living men and women who form our churches; and as when people take up such a newspaper, they very often do not read the letterpress, but they always look at the pictures, so in a church, outsiders may not come to hear the preacher, but they always consider, observe, and criticise the lives of the members. If you would be soul-winners, then, dear brethren and sisters, see that you live the gospel. I have no greater joy than this, that my children walk in the truth.
One thing more, the soul-winner must be a master of the art of prayer. You cannot bring souls to God if you go not to God yourself. You must get your battle-axe, and your weapons of war, from the armoury of sacred communion with Christ. If you are much alone with Jesus, you will catch His Spirit; you will be fired with the flame that burned in His breast, and consumed His life. You will weep with the tears that fell upon Jerusalem when He saw it perishing; and if you cannot speak so eloquently as He did, yet shall there be about what you say somewhat of the same power which in Him thrilled the hearts and awoke the consciences of men.
My dear hearers, specially you members of the church, I am always so anxious lest any of you should begin to lie upon your oars, and take things easy in the matters of God's kingdom. There are some of you�I bless you, and I bless God at the remembrance of you,�who are in season, and out of season, in earnest for winning souls, and you are the truly wise; but I fear there are others whose hands are slack, who are satisfied to let me preach, but do not themselves preach; who take these seats, and occupy these pews, and hope the cause goes well, but that is all they do.
Oh, do let me see you all in earnest! A great host of nearly five thousand members, what ought we not to do if we are all alive, and all in earnest? But such a host, without the spirit of enthusiasm, becomes a mere mob, an unwieldy mass, out of which mischief grows, and no good results arise. If you were all firebrands for Christ, you might set the nation on a blaze. If you were all wells of living water, how many thirsty souls might drink and be refreshed!
Beloved, there is one question I will ask, and I have done, and that is, Are your own souls won? You cannot win others else. Are you yourselves saved? My hearers, every one of you, under that gallery there, and you behind here, are you yourselves saved? What if this night you should have to answer that question to another and greater than I am? What if the bony finger of the last great orator should be uplifted instead of mine? What if his unconquerable eloquence should turn those bones to stone, and glaze those eyes, and make the blood chill in your veins? Could you hope, in your last extremity, that you were saved? If not saved, how will you ever be? When will you be saved if not now? Will any time be better than now?
The way to be saved is simply to trust in what the Son of man did when He became man, and suffered punishment for all those who trust Him. For all His people, Christ was a Substitute. His people are those who trust Him. If you trust Him, He was punished for your sins; and you cannot be punished for them, for God cannot punish sin twice, first in Christ, and then in you. If you trust Jesus, who now liveth at the right hand of God, you are this moment pardoned, and you shall for ever be saved.
Oh, that you would trust Him now! Perhaps it may be now or never with you. May it be now, even now, and then, trusting in Jesus, dear friends, you will have no need to hesitate when the question is asked, "Are you saved?," for you can answer, "'Ay, that I am, for it is written, 'He that believeth in Him is not condemned.'" Trust Him, then, trust Him now; and then God help you to be a soul-winner, and you shall be wise, and God shall be glorified!
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CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 05:14 PM
I Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake. You became IMITATORS of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit. And so you became a model 9examples) to all the believers in Macedonia and Achaia.
8 The Lord�s message rang out from you not only in Macedonia and Achaia�your faith in God has become known everywhere. Therefore we do not need to say anything about it, for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you TURNED to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead�Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 08:14 PM
seems like the ones on here that claim we can do nothing and ingonre the we can do all things through christ part of the thing, well seems like they like to call us prideful in an attempt at justfying their spiritual; lazyness!
By that I mean, if God is responsible for all the work and we dont have to do anything, like live a holy life or take the gospel to the highyways and the hedges, then what are we responsible for ? nothing thats what and that makes someone who doesnt wnt to do any work for the lord they feel completly ok with just going to church on sunday and nevr taking christianity beyon that, they maybe read and pray and go to church.. BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE LORD
NEWSFLASH reading your bible going to churh and prayer is NOT FOR THE lord OR HIS KINGDOM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT RE TO STRENGTHEN YOU PERSONALY so that you can have what you need to witness and preach and be a shining example of Christ so if all you are doing is eading your bibe memorizing scripture going to church and praying, then ou are a selfish Christian take take takeing and not giving anything back.
WHat good are you doing if all you are doing is learning yourself and praying yourself and going to church?
are you a prayer warrior for your church? are you taching a class are you witnessing to those at work or old friends that arent saved? Are you volonteering somewhere
are you maybe just scrubbing the toliets in the chuch and vacuming the floors and making sure the pastor has a bottle of water before he preaches sunday morning, what are you doing for someone besides yourself
if you read and study and never share or teach then what have you really done?Besides learn to live a godly life that really benifits you unless you are spen ding time with the unsaved to try to witness to them and be an example
I pray you all are geting my point
and yes we can do nothing without God but the refoprmed side has some gross misconceptions about us thinking we save ourselfs or save others , we are well aware that we ae nothing without christ but he Lord doesnt need LAZY SOILDERS HE has called us to be proactive working for the kingdom always trying to win them over to our side
not trying to offend anyone al though I am bracing for the attacks I am sure they are coming but all I am doing is speaking the truth I am getting used to it, if i say anything someone will disagree and if anyone disagrees the name calling begins and the attacks people immplying I am carnal or fleshly or just flat out not saved
I also want to add that this forum is a poor example of who someone is or where they may be in their walk, its like a text message you cant tell the one that someone is intending and people sem to hear what they want to hear when they are reading I have not meant one thing I have said in any post to offend or stir up strife especialy the prosperity stuff I have been simply trying to point out the truth and hope someone will see it
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 10 Feb, 2012 09:55 PM
Elisha ou have made some good points..
Its like... whats your purpose of being a Christian believer if not a witness for Christ?..., and why were we Commanded to GO, be witnesses for the kingdom of God?... and why did the disciples and apsotles GO about preaching and teaching the doctrine of Jesus Christ winning souls, not the doctrien of men and their teachings, but the doctrine of Chirst>... and what is meant by the Great Com-mission, if it isn't to win souls for the Lord telling the lost about Jesus Christ and HIs love on the cross, and calling backslider to repentance to return back to Christ?
This is the work of the believer's ministry, we are to have the same mind of Christ, and do as Jesus did, this is what we are to do, and in all our doing, we are taught to watch our behavior, condiuct our speech and our deeds, and to let our lights so shine so that men(the lost, the world ) our good works and can see Christ in us and glorify the Father in heaven, which means *to compel others to comes to Christ, by our behavior and conduct" and that's BIBLE!
But there are those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVANGELISM, and have twisted understanding of God's word, and think believers are not to evangekize or compley others to come to Christ, which means in alll their self-righteousness speaking scriptures with their MOUTH...they are in disobedience to God's word with their hearts, and are twisted in their thinking...
And think judging others and condemning other who try to correct them is prideful just becasue the truth has convicted their disobedent hearts and they are not doing what we have been told to do. And to tell the truth of what God speaks, is to LOVE no matter how it hurts...and that's also BIBLE! Because Truth hurts and moves a person from their comfort zone into the light!... and godly sorrow brings repentance of sins, if in fact a person has been truly born agin and converted...
Jesus said search the sciptures f you THINK you are saved... in them you will find the truth of the matter about yourself. Jesus also says, they honor me with their MOUTHS BUT THIER HEART ARE FAR FROM ME...
How can a person deny the truth of God's word about winnign souls when its all over the BIble? Wonder if they have ever thought about what their reward will be for not winning souls for the kingdom? OR what judgment wikll God bestow upon them for denying His word of truth and His Commission to GO!?
