Thread: John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
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John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 06:58 AM
Regeneration is a sovereign work of God (Jn. 1:12-13; 3:3-8; Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:3) a radical work or total transformation (Ezek. 36:26-27; 1 Jn. 3:9) not just an addition...The SOURCE of regeneration is Christ (1 Pet 1:3; Eph 1:3, 2:4, 4:24; 2 Cor 5:17) The AGENT of regeneration is the Holy Spirit (Jn. 3:3-8; Titus 3:5) The INSTRUMENT of regeneration is the Word of God (Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23, 25) which precedes and causes faith (Jn 6:63-65, 1 jn 5:1, Eph. 2:5; Col. 2:13)
"God effects a change which is radical and all-pervasive, a change which cannot be explained in terms of any combination, permutation or accumulation of human resources, a change which is nothing less than a new creation by Him who calls the things that be not as though they were, who spoke and it was done, whocommanded and it stood fast. This, in a word, is regeneration." - John Murray
Regeneration is the communication of the new heart to sinners by the operation of the Holy Spirit through the Word...a Christ-generated act of instantaneously communicating spiritual life to a man convicted of sin.
Regeneration is expressly denied to be of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man (John 1:13), and is ascribed to God himself. Not all men have faith in Christ; and those who do have it, have it not of themselves; it is the gift of God, worked out through the Redemption which is in Christ through the mighty operation of his Spirit, which is the fruit and effect of His invincible grace. This is because the natural man is wholly captive under the power and dominion of sin, and a slave unto it, and has neither a power nor will to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ apart from the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.
Synergists teach that 'salvation depends on human will', but the Bible teaches that 'it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." (Rom 9:16)
"And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live...Then you shall know that I am the LORD; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD." - Ezekiel 37:14
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive [quickened us] with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions � it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:4-5
�It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.� (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, �This is why I told you that no one can come to me [i.e. believe in me] unless it is granted him by the Father.�
John 6:63-65
You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God..."�
1 Peter 1:23-25
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God.
1 John 5:1
Faith in the living God and his Son Jesus Christ is always the result of the new birth, and can never exist except in the regenerate. Whoever has faith is a saved man.
Charles Spurgeon from the sermon �Faith and Regeneration�
If salvation is the implantation of a new, infinite life in the soul, it must be a work of God. Self-caused effects can never rise above the character or qualities of their cause. "Flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to Spirit," Jesus told Nicodemus. This saving grace cannot be caused by the creature, it can only come from God.
John Hannah from To God be the Glory (pg. 34-5)
The inward offer is a kind of spiritual enlightenment, whereby the promises are presented to the hearts of men, as it were, by an inward word.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 03:29 PM
Faith as spoken of in scripture is not a general term, it is always specific and most be according to the topic or subject matter.
Bible faith is totally of the heart or spirit of man.
The intellect, mind, or intelligence is in no way invovled with faith.
Faith comes by hearing the word of God with the heart
The process of faith is primarily a three step continaul process
The second part is believing with the heart or Spirit of man, the heart of man is where the Spirit ofgod and man's spirit are in union together in the midst of mna the spirit.
The third and ongoing step is mixing faith with the word heard and believed, this is actually what the bible refers to as being a doer of the word.
That being said bring together all the scriptures relevant to repentance and being born again and you will know faith for the new birth.
Repentance is simply turning from, and then to in this instance The lord ship of Jesus.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 04:32 PM
That's a nice explanation, PJ. But seriously. How about we look at the Bible's definition of repentance instead of say what we think it means.
Even if we look at the new birth which you just mentioned, Jesus never said anything about one having to repent in his whole exposition of it. He did say that one had to only believe on Him and His name to enter and see the kingdom of God. He said that one must be born of water and Spirit but never mentioned repentance. He did mention belief though. He said one who believed would be saved and one who didn't would be condemned in John 1:18.
So again, what is the Biblical meaning of repentance?
I think that POIC might have a descent case here in light of the context of Scripture.
That is unless someone can supply a definitive verse within context to show for it.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 04:42 PM
Hey !!!!...What about brother Agapeton helping brother George to answering the question I asked first afor saying he (George) has a "case" ~
*** So show us ALL this Scripture George where it is written "Repent of Your [[ UNBELIEF ]] and Believe the Gospel"...ima "still" waiting patiantly...and ima still refering the Scripture we both posted..."Repnt and believe the gospel"...So dont be Turning the Page in the Good Book to another Scripture...Please and Thank you both...Luv ya Yall...xo
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 06:14 PM
GodsJude Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 04:42 PM
Hey !!!!...What about brother Agapeton helping brother George to answering the question I asked first afor saying he (George) has a "case" ~
ME: Jude, Um, why you saying im helping anyone here. If anyone is helping all here you are all helping each other and yet you do not complain against the odds of you all against one?
I did say that "'I'm not here to take any sides on this but I am going to play the "devils advocate," so to speak, and make a few points in order for this discussion to really take fruit for the silent reader because it is a good discussion (as long as there is equal respect on all sides)." Did you not read this in my first post, sister?
The text is pretty clear in the Gospels. Is it not?
*** So show us ALL this Scripture George where it is written "Repent of Your [[ UNBELIEF ]] and Believe the Gospel"...ima "still" waiting patiantly...and ima still refering the Scripture we both posted..."Repnt and believe the gospel"...So dont be Turning the Page in the Good Book to another Scripture...Please and Thank you both...Luv ya Yall...xo
ME: Again, within context of the verses you posted, they are pointed towards the Jews.
Here. Let me show you:
You posted Mark 1:14-15.
But we know that John went to Judea to make the paths straight.
Mar 1:1-5
Within context, John came to Judea.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Even in the Matthew verse shows it.
You posted Mark 6.
But even matthew 10 shows that Jesus sent them to Israel.
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not; 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Even Jesus said that he was sent to Israel:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Even then Jesus never told the Gentiles to repent and believe in the gospel.
So again, that is why i asked about the word repentance and this is what it means from the Scriptures.
Strong's says it is "to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider."
Thayer says it is "to change one�s mind." it is definitely not confessing one's sins because it is different from the text and it's presentation.
So, what I said still stands. I think he has a pretty descent case here. No one has shown anything that was presented to Gentiles here when Jesus did this. He specifically didn't want the disciples to go to them. The Gentiles actually had no trouble believing compared to the Jews, actually.
*** So show us ALL this Scripture George where it is written "Repent of Your [[ UNBELIEF ]] and Believe the Gospel"...ima "still" waiting patiantly...and ima still refering the Scripture we both posted..."Repnt and believe the gospel"...So dont be Turning the Page in the Good Book to another Scripture...Please and Thank you both...Luv ya Yall...xo
ME: Actually turn the question on you and ask you where Jesus told the Gentiles to repent when ever they came to him or where they repented after he dealt with them.
So, sister, can you show ALL of the people reading here where Jesus tells the Gentiles to repent while He spoke to them while he was in Israel? After all, Jesus did not go to them. Right? They went to Him. Either way, they already believed in the Gospel because they were asking him to heal people but did they repent?
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 05:54 AM
phillipjohn Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 07:53 PM
James we have all played your game numerous
times and those that believe understand what
you try to do.
Twisting the word is well it speaks for irtself.
ME: you're right PJ. The Word did speak for Himself on this:
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.
By the way, I think you still need to reconcile what you said with the steps to believing and the repentance definition, brother, because your explanation was just a "tad" off there.
I still see no repentance in that work of God statement Jesus mentioned that John 6 part there.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 07:01 AM
Pj, bro. Seriously, you didn't say anything that went along with Scripture cause if you did, then you could attach a verse to it in support of it.
But you didn't.
The only thing you've provided so far is rhetoric. And I'm actually being nice by calling it that, brother.
You've stated that repentance meant one thing and I've showed you what it meant according to the Bible. You've stated other unsupportable things and yet you say it is truth?
How can this be truth if it is not researchable within the Word of God, brother? I mean if the Word cannot be searched then who is to say that you aren't one of those who come in the name of Jesus saying falsities? There is a standard that we must go by, bro. That is the Word of God.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 07:28 AM
Agapeton that is simply your opinion and that is not of any value to the body of christ.
Everything is in line with scripture and you will not see it until you come into agreement with scripture.
Any bible student of the word could take you to scripture that proclaims everything i said but they would be scripture's that you by reason say are not true.
The faul is not with the one that believes the word of God.
