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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 08:33 PM
So many people now are making posts about how a church service is conducted, and comparing the services to the first church! I personaly dont know that much about how the st century church worshiped but I an tell yall how my church worships and its nothing like the thread agapeton posted or maybe it was george I am startiung to get them mixed up like I used to get awm mixed up with george:ROFL:GO FIGURE
anyway, when we get to church and sit down the pastor gives the acouncements like revivals coming up and so forth, then he calls up the choir wich consists of anyone in the congrigation who wants to get up and sing and lead the congrigation in hyms, then we sit down and sis toby sings a song or 2 and anyone who wants to get up and sing alone is encourgaed to sing they do not need prior permission or practice if hey want to sing they can! Then she turns it over to the pastor then he asks if anyone has anyone to say for the lord, or a testimony to share or a word of encoragment!
aftwer that he usualy will go into his message, so at this time if it is sunday we sit still and listen but on wedsnday nights we are encoraged to join in and have a discussion! So after the messgae oh I forgot that we do pray before the message is given we pray right after he reads the scripture and we also stand when he reads the scripture then we pray WE PRAY!!! opk then after the message is given he may give an alter call, then (whether oir not their is an alter call) he asked if anyone needs special prayer and we then go up and get prayed for , for whatever reason or we may "stand in" for someone else that may be sick or need salvation now if someone is sick but unsaved we pray for their salvation thats what is importent!
Now after that we have a book that has prayer requests in it, we then pray over that book and when prayers in that book are answered we wright it down next to the original request we wright prayer answeerd! Now after that if its wedsnady we are dismessed in prayer and then we stand arouns a little and talk lioke every other church, but if it is sunday this is when the offerning is taken up! We do not take up tithes and offering anytime except sunday and if we have som speacial service like we had a singing for a little girl with cancer we took up an offring biut every single bit was given to that girsl family, now we had a very good singoing group come my uncle glenn sings for them they are very good but they got nothng to come they volonteered their time and every penny went to that girl and her family not much about 750 dollars but thats a whole lot when your broke and struggling!
we also have box in the church for food we bring can goods and it is giving out to people saved or unsaved whoever has need!
Now I dont see anything wrong with the way we conduct our services, oh we also stay after church lots Nand lots of times and eat together as a family we have pizza or hot dogs or sometimes a coverd dish we do eat together a lot, we also (my church family) spend time together outside of church my pastors wife is my best friend we do things togethr but not just me but the whole church we all spend time togethr alk on the phone and pray for eachother even on tuesday and saturdays, we are not just family sunday and wedsnsday, but all week long!
I am just trying to give yall an idea of how we all do it, since so much speculation has been made
our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:18 AM
Shalom, that is the whole point of ALL the topics I make!
See. I'm no stranger to "discussion forums". I've done several here in the attempts to challenge my fellow brothers and sisters to really SEARCH the Scriptures and then respond According to them in light of where our collective walk with Christ is as far as world is concerned.
I'm not here to make people sway from the faith as others have been falsely alluding to here. If I actually COULD do that to anyone here then their faith wasn't strong enough in the first place aand I by no means should take credit for that. What I'm trying to do is what this forum was meant to do. It is meant for the body of Christ to come and ask questions about the Word of God and SHARE what they learned, while admonishing, revealing what the Spirit is saying to EVERYONE TRHOUGH EVERYONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORD AND PERFECT WILL.
If Jesus is my pastor and taught others by asking question so that these discussions could arise and the people who answered them would see the responses of their heart in them, then I'm only trying to live according to His example. As I see it; even if I get called a bunch of names by people who don't even bother to read into the context of the messages or try to search the Scriptures according to the way the were intended for us, then the will of the Lord is still being done by showing the silent the truth either way.
So, did I, and do I lose anything by people making topics about me and what I said in one way or another? No. Why you might ask? Because I know that the Lord is working on the people who are compelled react to over what I said. Do I take credit for it? Heck no! That is the Lord Jesus Christ who the Glory and Honor goes to. To Him do I give my thanks.
I bless you sister, shalom! Those words were not of your own but the Holy one of Israel spoke them through you by His Spirit.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:24 AM
Jesus said that His true believers wouldn't worship on mountains or temples, ET. He said that they would worship him in truth.
Show me where this modern church ordr is in Scripture and in early church history and I'll concede to you. If not, then ii suggest you watch your tongue nd don't make ny rash judgments concerning the Lord's bride, the church, an it's position and authority AS WELL as WHAT I DO as far as attending a church, sister. Because it would mArk you as a slanderer amongst other things.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:26 AM
Maybe George or Agapeton can give us their explanation as to what Paul is speakign here in this passages...
Titus 3:9... But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:29 AM
good grief agapeton, we do not have a planned singing or a worship team I explained to you very cerfuly the only thing planed abour our singing is when we do it, the rest is not planned she (the piano player) asks us every timke what we would like to sing or what anyone else would like to sing, also anyone who wants to sing with the choir can get up and sing anytime they want to! are you learing imparied or just skimming my post? Yes ou offend me pften agpeton and saying my service was unscriptuarl was not what was offensive it was you smart allec way of saying it! Then about our pzza, we most certainly participat in the service and as a matter of fact if during any part of our services one of us says we want to or need to pray they will stiop everything and pray, if someone gets up and goes to the alter (as it is always open and the pastor reminds us of that) then everyone will go and pray for that person!@ I also told you but I guess you werent listening which has been the problem with every man I have evr dated and including the one I was married to, that the piano player always invites each and every one of us sometimes she calles us each out by name togo and sing yes every single person in the pews she will ask us individuly if we want to sing!And sometimes she will sing a song or 2 if nobody else wants to! Now as dfas as the message my pasotr brings it is alsways based on scripture and I assure you he does not have all week to prepare it he works full time and has 6 children and one on the way I think his wife who is my best friend said that he prepares on saturday for service! If I was to ever call or text him and say phillip can i get up and bring the message at church, he would let me and has let me before and would let anyone who wanted to do it, he turned the whole service over to me before! and yeah I think looking to find a specific formual for worship besidess spirit and truth is legalistic havung somwe kind of formula wil not create a church enviroment conducive to the Holy Spirit having His way!
theremust be order and if it werent for a pastor sometimes there would be no church , people need a leader they have had leaders all throughout scripture! I am asuming that you dont atend church! O maybe you like to work in the yards on sunday instead that is between you and the lord but dont ry to say we are wrong for what we do to try and make yourself feel better!Our chruch may not be exactly like the firs century church however I challenge you to find on that is! And if you did find one if it kiked you in the rear end you wouldnt know you would be too busy trying to figure out whats wrong with it! YThat seems to be all that you do, and yes you offend me a lot, you say things that offend me on nearly every thread and you never encourgae or edify all you do it pick apart and I am telluing you again that is not what pleases the lord, I sasked you if you think I am saved do you think that the Lord is plesed when you pick apart everything I have practiced since I got saved or the things that I believe in such a passive agressive manner, your not teaching anyone anything as soon as we see your attitude towards our beliefs we automaticly get defensive thats hiuman nature and has nothing to do with being right or wrong! You have no clue how to talk to people I guess you cant do it the way you do and get anything positive out of it!You give off a smart know it all atitude at best, I love my church and for your information I wa about to have an mri for a torn rotator cuff since march I did not have full range with my right shoulder, last night the church praye and now it doesnt even hurt first time I have been pain free since I am sorry I said march I meant may, since may!! So I know the Lord is there he shows up cause we are gatherd in his name! and thats it and thats all
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 09:00 AM
Ella writes
George and Agapeton, Don't go trying to compare what happened in the first century church to what is happening in the 21 century church and saying this is worng, as a way to excuse why yu're not attending church. Cuz, you don't know what happened in the churches during worship services, outside of what is told in the bible, becasue its a nonessential that this should be recorded about who sang what or even if there were instruments. This has not one thng to do with salvation as to if there was a band or whatever, no matter where or how they worship, THERE WAS ORDER!
The Farmer
Ella,what you are calling as order,really is 'TOTAL CONTROL' by a small group of people.
Yeshua came to set people from,not to bring them into another type of bondage.
Let us look into the Old Covenant as to the type of control that happens when others want to stifle the Holy Spirit.
Num 11:23 And Jehovah said to Moses, Is the hand of Jehovah shortened? Now you shall see whether My Word shall come to pass to you or not.
Num 11:24 And Moses went out and spoke to the people the words of Jehovah and gathered seventy men of the elders of the people, and caused them to stand around the tabernacle.
Num 11:25 And Jehovah came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and took of the spirit which was on him, and put it on the seventy men of the elders. And it happened, as the spirit rested on them, that they prophesied, but they did not continue.
Num 11:26 And two of the men were left in the camp, the name of the one being Eldad, and the name of the second Medad; and the spirit rested on them, and they were among those written, but did not go out to the tabernacle. And they prophesied in the camp.
Num 11:27 And a young man ran and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.
Num 11:28 And Joshua the son of Nun, minister to Moses, of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, stop them.
Num 11:29 And Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? Oh that all Jehovah's people were prophets, that Jehovah would put His Spirit on them!
My question is,has not the Holy Spirit been poured out seeing that Yeshua has been glorified.
Then why do men INSIST on CONTROLLING the meeting and the people thus grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit..
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 09:37 AM
PJ... Please don't argue with Georeg, he has no idea what he is talkign about. He has need to go and read the book of Acts and all of Paul's letters starting with Romans.
He is from one thing to another, he has the wrong answer on every corner he stands:ROFL: as Paul teaches arguing with those such as George is USELESS AND PROFITS NOT ONE THING!
Noticed, He still hasn't come up with an answer to what I presented to him about Paul rebuking the church at Corinth becasue everybody was speakign out of term when theye were being ministered to by the leaders. he keep using the passages but has no understanding as to what Paul is saying in his rebuke to the church for their DISORDER DURING WORSHIP SERVICE...
George you should consider this:�Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination (witchcraft), and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.�
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 10:11 AM
Agapeton said: Show me where this modern church ordr is in Scripture and in early church history and I'll concede to you. If not, then ii suggest you watch your tongue nd don't make ny rash judgments concerning the Lord's bride, the church, an it's position and authority AS WELL as WHAT I DO as far as attending a church, sister. Because it would mArk you as a slanderer amongst other things.
Ella says: CONCEDE??? what's there is concede to except the Truth of God's Word?... as far as your other comments about judging you and slander, I think you are doing a marvelous job of judging yourself, and slandering yourself, by speaking those things you don't know or understand, proving yourself as having a lack of knowledge into God's Word and a spiritual understanding of His principles... I think you have already done a wonderful job of this yourself, and among other things.
And Please know, whatever it is that I speak, I mean what I say, and only speak those things that I mean... call it what you please but it STANDS!... you're too funnnnny!:ROFL::ROFL:
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 11:00 AM
Agapeton said: Show me where this modern
church ordr is in Scripture and in early church
history and I'll concede to you. If not, then ii
suggest you watch your tongue nd don't make ny
rash judgments concerning the Lord's bride, the
church, an it's position and authority AS WELL as
WHAT I DO as far as attending a church, sister.
Because it would mArk you as a slanderer
amongst other things.
Ella says: CONCEDE??? what's there is concede to
except the Truth of God's Word?... as far as your
other comments about judging you and slander, I
think you are doing a marvelous job of judging
yourself, and slandering yourself, by speaking
those things you don't know or understand,
proving yourself as having a lack of knowledge
into God's Word and a spiritual understanding of
His principles... I think you have already done a
wonderful job of this yourself, and among other
things.
And Please know, whatever it is that I speak, I
mean what I say, and only speak those things
that I mean... call it what you please but it
STANDS!... you're too funnnnny!
ME: I see, ET. So you've nothing that you can come up with? Why is that?
If you cannot come up with something to prove your points then your own words condemn you, sister, because you said "When a person denounces everything Christian faith is based upon, and give no biblically solutions we must them start questioning that person's motives, intent, and purpose as we are taught, otherwise, we will becaome deceived and find ourselves caught up in their false believes and doctrines."
Even if I go by the sAme token you told PJ not to speak to Farmer About because of lack of answered question, then you too are to be avoided since you have not been able to answer any that I've asked you other than opinions.
Heck! Even in the question that you some what stated to PJ about not getting an answer to shows that the "order" in the early church shows that EVERYONE could speak up in the assembling together. Read the whole letter in context, sister. Paul was rebuking a young church of 2 years old then About them ABUSING the way they were meeting NOT that they needed to change it or have a pastor there to supervise it. Read the Scriptures "EVERY ONE OF YOU hath a psalm" (1 Corinthians 14:26). "Speak to ONE ANOTHER with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs" (Ephesians 5:19, ). Consider the words "every one of you." Who is to admonish and teach each other in the meetings? (Col. 3:16)
Where is the pastor in all of this? Was there one in order to even think that the way we do things now is the same and necessary?
Have we lost touch with the same God who holds control over our lives? Do we, who believe in the God of order and peace, let chaos reign and expect that the Holy Spirit doesn't move us in a meeting to be descent to another believer who believes in the same God? Are we that deprived in Christ? Do we limit the same Holy Spirit we say dwells in us by needing A man appointed leader to rule and lord things over us again?
How funny.
No. How sad actually.
How really depressing knowing that we don't have faith in our Lord for this to happen now.
Elisha, and you couldn't have told me this in a more christianly way if what topics I made in general offended you personally in order to call me names and belittle me in topics?
about our pzza, we most certainly participat in the service and as a matter of fact if during any part of our services one of us says we want to or need to pray they will stiop everything and pray, if someone gets up and goes to the alter (as it is always open and the pastor reminds us of that) then everyone will go and pray for that person!@ I also told you but I guess you werent listening which has been the problem with every man I have evr dated and including the one I was married to, that the piano player always invites each and every one of us sometimes she calles us each out by name togo and sing yes every single person in the pews she will ask us individuly if we want to sing!And sometimes she will sing a song or 2 if nobody else wants to! Now as dfas as the message my pasotr brings it is alsways based on scripture and I assure you he does not have all week to prepare it he works full time and has 6 children and one on the way I think his wife who is my best friend said that he prepares on saturday for service! If I was to ever call or text him and say phillip can i get up and bring the message at church, he would let me and has let me before and would let anyone who wanted to do it, he turned the whole service over to me before! and yeah I think looking to find a specific formual for worship besidess spirit and truth is legalistic havung somwe kind of formula wil not create a church enviroment conducive to the Holy Spirit having His way!