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Posted : 24 Nov, 2011 01:50 PM

Hello everyone one:

I hope everyone has had a Blessed day.



When a person has trusted Yeshua to be saving and protecting them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s),

Is this person dealt with according to their position in Yeshua as an son of YHWH,or their condition of sin as sinner.



Since Yeshua carried a persons sin(s) to Calvary.

Does YHWH see the person according to their position in Yeshua as The righteousness of YHWH in Yeshua,ordoes YHWH see the person according to their condition of sin,as one wearing filthy rags.



Since a person has trusted Yeshua to save them from the judgement of YHWH against their sin(s),

Does YHWH see this person having all of Yeshuas Righteousness,Holiness,Sanctification,and all of Yeshuas good works and His faithfulness to the will of YHWH,Being IMPUTED to that individual.



Or does YHWH still see this person clothed in their sin,trying to be accepted by doing good works,trying to be accepted on their own merits.



Does YHWH accept a person who has Repented of their sins,made a confession of Christ,been baptized,and maybe tithes,or does good works.



Does anyone believe that they can 'PLEASE' YHWH with good works,or obedience.

If this is so,then it would have to be more complete then Yeshua,who always did that which pleased YHWH.



Or-or does YHWH accept a person based soley upon their being called of YHWH,



Trusting Yeshua to save them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).

Trusting Yeshua to Justify them of their sin(s)before YHWH.

Being clothed in the Righteousness of Yeshua.



Having the Holiness and Sanctification of Yeshua and all of His Good works Imputed to them.

These also have been imputed to those trusting Yeshua.



Faithfulness to the will of YHWH

His always doing that which 'PLEASES' YWHW

Yeshuas fulfilling all the law and the prophets

Yeshua fulfilling all the required sacrifices,including the tithes.



I would rather be trusting Yeshua,and Yeshua alone for my Salvation from the wrath of YHWH.



I would also rather trust that the rigtheousness,holiness,

sanctification,justification and everyone of Yeshuas good works has been imputed to me.then to trust in what i can be doing...





John 8:36 Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.





Shalom

Me

Shalom

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 12:40 PM

When a person 'repents' Yeshua calls that person to be repenting of their 'Unbelief' of Himself,before trusting Him for salvation.





Mar 1:15 and saying, The time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God draws near. Repent and believe in the gospel.



Since sin is the result of Unbelief,we are then called to repent of 'UNBELIEF"



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this scripture does not refer to Unbelief it refers to repenting of your Sins. Repent and believe in the gospel.

You have a misunderstanding.

ALL unrigheousness is called SIN.

Jesus died for our Sins, antonment for Us on the cross.

So, if you think you do not have to Repent of Sins

think again.

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 02:30 PM

@angel:



angel writes:



Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;





@ POC



Yes, we are saved by grace. Also this scripture says through faith.



Ye must repent of your Sins to be "saved", otherwise Jesus

would not have to die for your sins and mine.





Me

Angel,you cannot actually believe what you have written here.



Ye must repent of your Sins to be "saved", otherwise Jesus

would not have to die for your sins and mine.



IF-IF-IF you actually believe this,then your being saved is dependant upon your 'REPENTANCE' of sin,and not of Yeshua....



angel

If you do not repent then you are still living in sins.



Me

Are you telling me that you 'NEVER'sin?

Then what is the purpose of the New Creation.

Oh,this does not pertain to you,for you have 'REPENTED' of all of your sins.







angel:

The Holy Spirit comes to help you Live Holy after you have

been saved.



Me

The Holy Spirit is active within the lives of people before they are saved.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.









angel:

This is scripture also.

Sounds like you are trying to get around doing what the Word says.



Me

No one is trying to get around the Word.

But i would when you will finally admit to YHWH that you are not able to trust Yeshua,to save you.



And when will you admit to YHWH you are trusting that your salvation is dependent upon your 'REPENTING' of sin,not trusting Yeshua..



Shalom

Me





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angel writes

Ye must repent of your Sins to be "saved", otherwise Jesus

would not have to die for your sins and mine.





Me

Yeshua died according to the will of YHWH,not because because a person can repent of sin.



When will you 'REPENT' OF YOUR UNBELIEF' and start believing the GOSPEL.

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