Author	Thread: Rational Argument for God's existance?
lovinglife25 View Profile History	Rational Argument for God's existance? Posted : 29 Jan, 2009 05:04 PM Hey! So I really don't want to start my homework so I thought I would post something to fuel a little debate. Before I start this I should explain a little bit about myself and my beliefs so that the context in which this is written will become clearer and thus easier to understand and debate. I believe that the Bible is the word of God, but I do not read it word for word. I am a contexual reader; I am not trying to debate this fact, but simply explain it up front. Please do not back up your agrument with Scripture. To me this is pointless. Not just for the sake of this argument, but especially when you are explaining God to non-believers. If someone was trying to convert you to be Muslim would you listen to their rationale if they quoted the Kuran? So my question of course is how do you make a rational argument that God exists? You can't say faith because while this is a good argument it isn't rational. The very definition excludes it from being rational. You cannot say that God has always been therefore he must exist. Why not? That is not rational. That is a belief that cannot be proven. You are basically saying that God created himself. If that isn't what your saying than who/what created God? Some will point to miracles as rational evidence of God. Well, what is a miracle? Something that cannot be explained by natural causes. My point in writing this is not to make anyone angry. It is simply to open up minds and get people thinking instead of blindly believing. My personal belief is that God wants us to questions things and to turn up rocks as this is a gratifying way to have a stronger relationship. Perhaps more importantly, by developing your faith and questioning perhaps even your own beliefs you will be able to connect with non-believers and help guide them towards Christianity which (or should) be one of the main goals of Christians. If you take nothing away please realize that quoting Scripture to non-believers is not very beneficial. On my mission trip last year I saw many people attempt to quote Scripture and the minute they did people stopped listening. To you and me it may be the word of God, but to others it is simply one of many books without meaning. ~ Julio PS: I am a believer and regardless of whether or not there is a rational argument for God I will still believe in him and accept Christ as my savior. Post Reply
View Profile History	Rational Argument for God's existance? Posted : 6 Feb, 2009 05:37 PM Two scientists had finally discovered how to create everything from the dirt of the earth. They went to God and said" see we can now create all the things YOU created" and they explained it all to Him. God said they could not do it and made a bet with them. In their arrogance they accepted. God said "OK so go ahead...except I have only one rule". They asked: "What rule". God said: "Create you own dirt first". :ROFL: Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Rational Argument for God's existance? Posted : 6 Feb, 2009 06:06 PM On a more serious note. Regarding this issue. I have found that in dealing with a "non-Believer" over the issue of proving the existence of God I first inquire as to what they believe. In order to have any kind of discussion one must first learn where the other person is coming from, what their beliefs are. If they are an "Evolutionist" then it is important to have him/her consider that it is impossible to "Scientifically" prove evolution. This is something they must admit to because under the rules for proving something scientifically you must be able to repeat the experiment. It is not possible to do this with evolution. Next you must ask them "where is your Empirical evidence"? under the rules of Empirical evidence one must prove that there is a transitional creature. No such creature exists. There has never been discovered any "Pre-Man". All they have are concepts and drawings from their theories. No actual skeletal remains have ever been found. Even Darwin's "cave man" was examined 50 years after his death and it was determined that it was a hoax, a combination of ape bones and man bones put together to form what they thought a pre-man might look like. Also if evolution were scientifically true then why don't we see evolution occurring at this time? Were are there any transitional creatures? Then once you have got them to realize that their beliefs are based upon nothing but a "theory", I then get them to consider some interesting facts about the Bible and more specifically "Prophesy". The one main feature if you will that proves that the Bible is "Divinely inspired" is the fact that so many prophesies have come to past exactly as predicted. That is not "Humanly" possible. Also we have the Dead Sea scrolls that confirm the book of Isaiah and when it was written. This gives serious proof of it being divinely inspired. No book can make this claim and also the claim of it's authorship. Historically it has also been proven to be the most accurate book around. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Rational Argument for God's existance? Posted : 6 Feb, 2009 09:14 PM In order to deny the existence of something it must first exist or you would not be able to deny its existence! Post Reply

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