Once again, we are faced with this "men are the spiritual leaders of their homes, priests of the home, head of the house nonsense.
God is the head of any christian home or you have lost connection with the head, further, the Lord Himeself is NOW calling women to "lead" so men, be ye not deceived, for GOD is the ONLY leader.
WOMEN OF GOD DARE TO RISE UP AGAINST THE DEVIL AND HIS FALSE DOCTRINES!
I AM RISEN WITH CHRIST AND THE DEVIL IS A DEFEATED FOE AND A CRUSHED WORM BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND THE POWER OF HIS HOLY NAME.
I WILL NOT BE SILENT!
This is a Word from the Lord from my Pastor who is a man and a Prophet of God;
The Spirit of God says there is an unbelievable to some, force, a gale force, being released to come and to wipe away; to come to restore. I have heard you inviting Me. So many things were taken illegally by forces that did what they did to the Son of the Most High God.
For had they known the mystery of God they would not have crucified the Lord on High. Had they known the mystery of God they would not have attempted to come against your children, against your homes, against your business, your finance, your hearts, your emotions.
Had they known the mystery of God they would not have endeavored to crucify what was rightfully yours.
They endeavored to crucify your righteousness, they endeavored to crucify and remove and bury what was rightfully yours.
The Spirit of God says, you are surrounded by a great cloud of witness, the greats of yesterday that stood out amongst men, amongst royalty and made a difference, are surrounding you.
For there was a sound in each one of their spirits when they faced the giants of their time - that sound exists in this generation of women, says the Lord of Hosts.
This sound is a sound of tenderness, this sound is a sound of bold gentleness.
This sound is a sound that has petrified the powers of hell for this same sound existed within Esther. The same sound existed within Deborah.
The same sound existed in Mary when the Rock came forth and Satan has watched the women of this generation and said "no more" but the Spirit of God says, they will arise, and when they arise they will bring forth the Rock Christ Jesus again!
As a prophet I have heard the sound: in this day and this year of acceleration of women suddenly accelerating and touching the untouchable, reaching the unreachable.
That's what I saw and God said, tell these women, you are the instigators and the initiators of this movement that is about to touch the entire earth.
It has been some time now, says the Lord, that I have focused My attention once again on the women to bring forth the Word, the Rock.
It has been a while now that I have looked for a sound to come from a place where women would arise not with temperament, but with character, with virtue, a sound that would come from them for one reason: God, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. And Lord, what you are dictating in Heaven right now, we want to perform on earth - this is their prayer.
Surely that which belongs to the Lord and belongs to you can not be taken and if it is put into the hands of your enemy it will only be returned to you with double power and with greater might.
For God says there is an element of resurrection that has not yet been released; That element of resurrection is now emerging from the heavenlies through an open veil.
A veil that was once shut by the unbelief of men and by the many, many that would persuade people to say that the future is not important.
I am taking now that which is emerging, the element of the resurrection, that the church has not yet had; the resurrection of the dead, the resurrection of things that have been taken, the resurrection of things that have been destroyed; the resurrection.
God says it has appeared before, it has appeared as a visitation but now it shall come as a habitation.
It has appeared before in little moments and in little spurts. But now God says like a gale force it is coming and it can not repent and it can not be taken back.
It can not be withdrawn and once it comes from the heavens you will see things that you thought you lost coming back to you with 10 times the power and 10 times the resources and 10 times the authority.
This is the night for the 10 time restoration says the Spirit of God. Rejoice for this is the Word of the Lord to you. The heavens are opened up.
The people of God make this declaration tonight we tolerate no force of evil in the church.
Religion has chased our children away. But now our children will say we want to go to church. You hear what I�m saying. Those that are two years of age this day will not be as you and I were and the teenagers of this day are we don�t want to go to church. You can not blame them can you? God said I�m changing the whole thing in church.
God said everyone that tries to control Me, I�ll break their hands, I�ll break their feet so that they will have no power to control.
Because this day I say to you, your children will say we want to go to church. Your grandchildren will say why have they stopped us? No they have not stopped you.
Religion has stopped you but that has come to an end. Rejoice, as for you and your house, you will serve the Lord.
I am looking for some warriors, says the Lord, and they are in your families - they are your children and they are the women of this generation!.
These are the ones that will stand before the kings just like Esther did.
And God said, these are the ones who change history just like Deborah.
These are the ones that will change history just like Ruth and Mary and Elizabeth.
God said, your girls are going to become women of God and they are going to become virtuous women who will prophesy to the dead bones of this society.
I am going to raise up your children and they shall be the ones who will stand before the Lord and say, "God, here I am, send me, and send me wherever You want me to go. Send me, send me wherever You want me to go. Send me, send me wherever You want me to go, send me. "
I have made a place only for you next to Me. I have a made a place by My side.
And now He's saying there's a place I've created for you. Just like He told Moses, He said, there is a place by My side, there is a place by My side and by My side is a Rock and in that Rock is a cleft. By the Rock, but in the Rock there is a cleft.
The Spirit of God says, I will place you in the cleft so I can show you the glory of tomorrow.
My altar is open for you and your house. If you desire this that I have promised, come to My altar, stand before Me, says the Lord, you, your children, your family and I will give you that promise, says the Spirit of God.
Right by My side there is a place for you. Right by My side there is a place for you in the Rock, My Son. Right by My side there is a place for you in the Rock, My Son. Right by My side there is a place for you in the Rock, My Son.
In the Rock, My house.
Right in My heart, there is a place for you in the Rock, in My house.
Right next to Me there is a place for you in the Rock in My heart.
Hello my Friend! I haven't heard from you in a while.
Let me post an article I did some time ago. This article has to do with Women and if they are allowed by the New Testament to be certain leaders within the Church. Please be careful to note that what I am presenting is New Testament Teaching for us today and not something under the Mosaic Law.
Women Pastors. Is it biblical?
By Walter Diaz
There is much debate between Charismatic Churches and Conservative Churches concerning the issue of the role of women in the Church particularly when it comes to leadership positions such as Pastor/Bishops, Deacons and Elders. I believe that God�s word is absolutely clear on this issue. Let�s see what it says.
1Corinthians 14:34 the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the law also says.
35 If they want to learn anything, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is inappropriate for a woman to speak out in church.
36 Did God's word originate with you? Are you the only people it has reached?
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.
But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored. (ISV)
Above we see that Paul, considered to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, is addressing Christians and women�s obligations within the Church environment. Paul was not prejudiced against women as some claim. I want you to notice what Paul says in verse 37.
That the things he writes are the Lord�s Command.
Not a suggestion and not just something for the current times he was writing in but are a commandment of Christ the Lord. This means for all time. It is not a cultural thing as some in the Charasmatic churches claim. If that were true then we can just throw out the entire bible and say it was only for them way back then too. So the question is this. If a women is to keep silent while in Church, then how can she be a Pastor and preach? She can�t. But let�s continue.
1 Tim2: 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Notice here that Paul is being very clear on the issue of women not being allowed to teach or have authority over a man. It is charged by Charasmatics that since Paul said �I� in verse 12 then he was just giving HIS opinion. Unfortunately for them that would be an improper understanding. Since Paul already said that it was the Lord�s Commandment for women to keep silent in church, this statement of his is in keeping with the consistency and harmony of scriptures. The passage is gender specific and the Greek fully supports this. Husband is gender specific. A woman cannot be a Husband as a man cannot be a wife either. Again Paul is being consistent in his teachings as he is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and in this passage he is not giving his opinion. Paul only gave his opinion on a few things and when he did he was clear to say that it was NOT the Lord but he that was giving the statement. That is not the case here. Paul says a woman cannot teach a man or be in authority over a man. This means the Lord said it via the Holy Spirit.
This forbids a woman from being in any leadership position over a man within the Church. This obviously forbids a woman from preaching to a church or any church environment where men are present. Let�s continue with why this is so.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self�control.
The reason, is that women are more easily deceived as was the case in the Garden in Genesis. It was Adam who was first made and then Eve and then it was Eve who was deceived by Satan, NOT Adam.
1 Tim 2:1 � This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, {Literally overseer} he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober�minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): - bishop, overseer.
3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Again we see that the position of a Bishop which is the same as a Pastor, MUST be a Husband, which is gender specific, which is a MAN. Women are precluded from this position.
What about the term Pastors? It only appears once in the New Testament.
Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,(NKJV)
Pastor: 4166 poimhn poimen poy-mane� of uncertain affinity; TDNT-6:485,901; n m
AV-shepherd 15, Shepherd 2, pastor 1; 18
1) a herdsman, esp. a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow
2) metaph.
2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church
2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies
2a2) of kings and princes
8 � Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double�tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless.
11 Likewise their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.
Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. (NKJV)
The position of Deacon is a gender specific however there are such positions as "deaconess". A Deacon and Deaconess are not positions of leadership of authority per se as they are more of a position of serving in subjection to Elders and Pastors.
Every passage we have seen and every definition prohibits women from teaching, preaching or being in any leadership position of authority over a man within the Church. This is the consistent teaching of God�s Holy Word and when a woman goes against this teaching she is in direct disobedience to God�s Holy Word. She is in disobedience to God as well as any male Pastor who allows this in his church. God cannot and will not call a women into the ministry in any of the context listed above because to do so would make God a liar as He cannot go against His written word. There are many women who are in the ministry who will not accept this. Some have built large ministries and have a large following pulling in much tithes and offerings. Some have even purchased large estates worth millions of dollars and drive very expensive cars and wear expensive jewelry all from the money of the offerings of the church congregation! Are these women the model Christ commands for the other women to have as models?! A profound NO must be given. This shows that these women are refusing to be submissive to their husbands (if married) and to God himself. If a woman is unwilling to submit to God in this issue then she will not be willing to submit to her husband in marriage as Christ also commands that a wife must submit to her husband as unto the Lord in all things. All the verses listed above are very clear and fully supported by the Greek text. There are no scriptures that can counter the ones listed. To do so is to violate the established principles of Biblical interpretation called Hermeneutics.
Now let me say that God has used many women throughout the scriptures and still does today, but never have they been placed in leadership positions within the churches where they would be in authority over a man or in any position to teach Biblical matters in a church environment where men are present. It is very biblical however for the older women to teach the younger women, but not to teach men. Some within the Charasmatic movement charge that there were women Prophets and those who preached the gospel. Yes that is true but preaching the Gospel in public or private places is diferent than being placed in a specific "Leadership" position within the Church. Additionally a "Prophet" or "Prophetess" is NOT a "leadership" position. God simply cannot go against His written Word. It is a rebellious spirit that goes against what God has ordained and God does not ordain women in specific leadership positions nor does He allow a woman to teach or preach God's Word while men are present in a Church environment.
Some Christians make the mistake of assuming that because a Church is growing in numbers, ministries and money that it must be ordained by God and it�s God�s direct blessings. If this is the standard that we measure as to whether or not God is blessing a particular church then we would have to conclude that God must be blessing the Pornography and gambling industry too or any pagan corporation for that matter. That is simply wrong thinking. It is carnal thinking!
God has firmly set in place the roles of men and women within the Church and in the family. The question is. Are we willing to be obedient to God�s Word or are we going to try to justify sinful disobedience to God?! As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord and obey!
Walter, that was a very clear and concise study. Great job. I know many of us don't want to do as the Bible instructs, but trying to change the word of God is, in my opinion worse than being disobedient.
When we are being led by the spirit, the Bible tells us to test that spirit, to see if it is of God. How do we do that? With the word! That is why we have it. There are many reasons people twist the scriptures, and it is a common practice in our churches today, but that still does not make it alright.
And there will rise up false prophets, deceiving many.
Wow, you have absolutely no idea whom you are calling a false Prophet.
The man whom this came through is well known as a Prophet and well respected, as the Word of the Lord he has given has repeatedly came to pass.
I feel sorry for you and those like you, you should watch yourself when you speak against the Prophet of God and though you speak out of ignorance, the Lord will still call you to account.
What will you do when this comes to pass I wonder?
I will be praying for you, I wish you no harm, you know not what you are speaking against, may God have mercy on your poor soul.
I am sorry if you take offense, that was not my intention. But I am not afraid.
If Paul and Peter both say one thing, and your prophet another, that is not of God. God cannot lie, and giving conflicting messages is a lie.
So, if God didn't lie, that only leaves the other three. I have to side with the Apostles. If there is a price to pay for believing the Bible, I am more than willing to pay it. But I can not sit idly by and let others be led astray.
God will NEVER tell someone something that goes against the Bible.
I just started reading these posts. But this comment/question is to HISWARRIOR. The others have backed up their point clearly with scripture, what the roles are of men and women; however, I missed the part when you back your argument up with scripture. Can you please provide scripture on the argument that you are making.
Also, just because someone prophesied before and it came to pass doesn't mean that they are absolutely His. He did say himself that many will come in my name and say we prophesied in your name, chased demons in your name, and even healed...Wow! However, sadly, very sadly, he sent them away. The point is that men should not abuse their wives based on scripture. The decisions in the household should always be talked through by both spouses. I understand that, but the teaching in the church is hard for me to swallow, for it is a direct contradiction to scripture.
One more thing, I spoke with a pastor last summer. He told me that before He was married with His wife, that they both agreed that if it came to it He has the last word on very important decisions in their lives. However, out of His 25 years in marriage He has never exercised that right. That is commendable. Additionally, this same pastors wife, she serves in the church. She prays before and after service, she does Bible studies, but she never preaches. Mind you this is a Charasmatic church.
Listen, I can well understand that one man's pride will not allow him to defer to God but that he would rather be himself the one in control or in power over someone.
But God said He is the one in power and in control over His Body.
As for the Pastor, I commend him and his wife, they are in agreement with each other, this I say is good and is beneficial to a lasting marriage, may God richly bless them.
But let us say this, why didn't he say "If there must be a final word in the home, let it be your word wife".
Why not, is man then superior to woman because he is male? Where is this written?
Where is it written that a male has more of the Spirit of God than a female?
Where is it written that a man has more wisdom, knowledge, understanding or insight to the things of God than a female?
2 Samuel; This is NOT the command of the Lord, for the Lord wishes to rule over His people Himself.
Then comes Jesus, both human king and God; therein, both the people and God have their desires; A human king, and God as king.
Indeed, God Himself will rule over His people, His Word does not change and neither most likely does the traditions of men.
Where is it written that "I am a man, and I have Christ as MY head, but you woman, you have ME as your head!" I rule!
Where is this written other than the law, wherein a woman is not born again.
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
I am not under law, I am born again through Christ and HE is MY head too.
As for the Prophet, I leave you to God on that one, I will not discuss it, God Himself will deal with it; you should know better than to speak against what you do not understand, you are not without knowledge, therefore the Lord will call you to account, not me.
I do not want to go into an endless debate with you. You did not answer my questions according to scripture. You did not refute any of the arguments posted here with scripture. However, I'm going to let you believe what you want to believe. I will not change your mind. If the Word of God blatantly speaks about what you are talking about, then I do not know what is going to change it.
You seem a little angry, judging, and condemning brothers and sisters in the end of all of your statements. I will bless you, and leave it at that.
About the prophet, the word it self teaches me to test everything with the trusted and reliable word of God 1 John 4:1. It says many things about false prophets...I'm not bringing judgment on myself lol. I'm being wise and testing the spirits with the infallible Word of God. Also look at 1 John 2: 26-27.
I'm ending this letter...not like you did, condemning me that I do not know what I'm talking about. I also don't understand in the point of you arguing this.
I also leave you with this passage: Numbers 6: 24-26.
The root word for Charismatic is the same as the word for Grace or Gift. Why say there is a debate between Charismatic Churches and Conservative Churches? Is it an attempt to mark �Charismatic� Churches as liberal Churches? I know of many very Conservative Charismatic Churches. How is it possible for any �Christian� church to be non Charismatic? Do these so-called non Charismatic but Conservative Churches have Grace and/ or the gift of God? It sounds as if there is a much bigger division here than the so-called women in the church debate. I�m very aware of the differences between men and women. Created by God these differences should be celebrated rather than looked down on.
But there seems to be a conspiracy or even some collusion banning all women from God�s work. it reminds me of what many call a Civil Rights violation, LOL.
Take that initial statement for instance �Men are to be head of the house.� Not only is that not found in the bible it is a ridiculous statement. As most husbands know a woman�s identity is wrapped up in the home. While men tend to be defined by their occupation.
Does the wife tell the husband how to do his job? Does the husband, after a hard day at work, go home and tell his wife they must paint the walls varying shades of blue, because these are the colors of heaven? And that is final, because God told him to do it? If she is OK with that, fine. Maybe she likes a two tone blue hue. But don�t try to make it into a God thing like you are building the Kingdom. Whatever method works for husbands & wives is good. It could be working together in painting clouds in your blue skies living room. Or it could be in working out the differences.
People are all different and this teaching (me head man) does not appear to be a Biblical Absolute. It is not required for salvation or acceptance to heaven.
While the bible does not say the husband is head of the house in this way, it does say the husband is head of the wife in Ephesians 5:23, in the same way it says that man is head of the woman, 1 Corinthians 11:3. �know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God,� this is referring to Head as a foundation, source or cornerstone. All creation was created through Christ who was appointed by God to be the Source and Foundation of all things. That would include the creation of man and/or mankind. But then woman was created out of man. So woman came out of man, he was the head, source, foundation. All mankind was created and saved by Jesus Christ who is the source. And Christ was sent by God to be the light of the world through which all was created.
The misunderstanding would then depend on your definition for the word Head. Does it mean rulership and authority? Or does it mean source and origin. There is one place husbands and wives are given authority over each other in 1Cr 7:4. And it is not even close to the word for Head. The word for Head comes from the primary Greek root kapto (in the sense of seizing). What does Head mean as implied by the context it is used?
IMHO, it means the beginning. The husband & Wife relationship begins as a thought in the mind of a man. Sometimes the woman goes to great lengths and prays long hours hoping that this thought might finally pop in his head. Nevertheless, it is a beginning thought not an authority position. If he says, �God told me you are the one, you are to marry ME,� she may come back and say, �well then why did God not tell me that too?�
What is Head? Does it mean Spiritual Authority as many proclaim? I don�t think so. Or does it mean the source or foundation?
The Bible gives examples of a man putting his house in order, 2 Kings 20:1, Isaiah 38:1 but it was because he was about to die.
Also in 1 Timothy 3:4-5 it says, Talking about men who want to be leaders�
��One that rules well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
�(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?).� How many men want to be leaders but do not have it together enough? Or how many men are called to be leaders but know it is time for women to start doing their fair share of the �Work of the Ministry.� Is not a ban on women a ban on 50% of mankind?
All Christians do not have their house or lives together.
Below you said: "Once again, we are faced with this "men are the spiritual leaders of their homes, priests of the home, head of the house nonsense.
God is the head of any christian home or you have lost connection with the head, further, the Lord Himeself is NOW calling women to "lead" so men, be ye not deceived, for GOD is the ONLY leader.
WOMEN OF GOD DARE TO RISE UP AGAINST THE DEVIL AND HIS FALSE DOCTRINES!
I AM RISEN WITH CHRIST AND THE DEVIL IS A DEFEATED FOE AND A CRUSHED WORM BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND THE POWER OF HIS HOLY NAME.
I WILL NOT BE SILENT!
This is a Word from the Lord from my Pastor who is a man and a Prophet of God;"
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Ok so this is what you Pastor said above who self proclaims to be a Prophet of God?
I say he is not a Prophet of God because a Prophet of God cannot contradict God's written Word and he just did in a major way. Let's look at what God's Word says about this.
Remember in the above post, which you have yet to respond to, I laid out clearly the roles men have as leaders within the Church and that women are forbidden from being in certain leadership roles. This is irrefutable. Notice a consistency below in how God sets up the roles within a Family.
First let's look at what Paul says about the things he writes.
1Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. NKJV
Paul said very clearly that what he write are the commandments of the Lord.
The scriptrues are also clear in that God has set up a heirarchy within the Family unit. Since we do not have HTML here let me place CAPS to emphasize a word or phrase so you know I am not shouting. lol
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD.
23 For the husband IS THE HEAD of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore AS THE CHURCH IS SUBJECT UNTO CHRIST, so let the wives be to their own husbands IN EVERY THING.
It just doesn't get any clearer than this. The wife is to submit herself to her husband ....AS UNTO the Lord, IN ALL THINGS. It also says that the Husband IS THE HEAD of the wife. Your Pastor is in total contradiction to this and is standing against the face of God in defiance to God and anyone who does not accept this passage or trys to twist it, is in rebellion to God and certainly your Pastor is no prophet of God and through his own words exposes himself as being False.
Who are you going to believe? God and His written word or your Pastor who is a False Prophet and now exposed as one?
Do you know what you are required to do when someone has been exposed as a False Prophet? Mark him and shun him. Leave that church. He is teaching heresy!
But let me finsih the passage so men are not off the hook either.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even AS Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
What we see in the scriptures above is that there is a symbiotic relationship between the husband and the wife. Both are submitting to one another BUT each has their respective obligations as given by God! The Husband's job is to GIVE himself for her JUST AS Christ gave Himself for the Church/US. That is an unconditional sacrifice. And the wife's job is to submit to her Husband in all things. It doesn't mean you are a doormat!!! This passage is one of the most beautiful passages that deal with a husband and wife IF you understand it and apply it.
