Why is it that when I say TRUTH be known.."I don�t Believe in or Agree with the 5 point Tulip or Calvin�s Doctrine...Never have and Never will"�I always get accused of bashing Christians ???...:rolleyes:..Thats ok...we can agree to disagree...xo
because that is what happens to me whenever i say i am a Calvinist. People have no clue what it is, but so and so said they were the devil himself. hence the bashing. Ignorance is bliss.
*** Some people Do have a clue what Calvinism is...and they Choose not to Agree with it just as Calvinists Choose not to agree with Arminism...its a On-Going division...and its really sad...and Ignorance is not Bliss...having child like Faith in the Word and Doctrine of Christ Jesus and not the doctrine or interpretation of man/women is Total Bliss...:bouncy:...xo
These are the Words of the LORD�s Holy Spirit�not man�s words, interpretation or doctrine�*** Ephphatha *** xo
[No private Interpretation] ~ In context ~ 2 Peter 1:19-21~ (KJV)
19~ We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20~ [[[ Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. ]]]
21~ For the prophecy [ came not ] in old time [ by the will of man: ] [ but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. ]
2~ [ Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. ]
3~ For the time will come when they [ will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; ]
4~ And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
12~ [ Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, ] but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13~ Which things also we speak, [ not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; ] comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14~ But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are [ spiritually discerned. ]
You make a LOT of accusations, but NEVER back any of them up.
You start a thread to slam a theologian, because Someone posts a quote and Scripture verse to go with it.
You never deal with the quote, or offer a different interpretation.
Your actions on this group are childish, and annoying.
Most of the threads and comments by you are nothing but one line accusations filled with misspelled words, and half the time having nothing to do with the topic.
You really have to change your ways on this group.
We will Folow another Sheep to our Death if it were not for a Shepherd Watching Over us.
Be careful who you choose as your Shepherd here on earth. Question�Research and Test � then do it all over again!
Your Immortal Soul rests on your Decision.
I would most certainly BASH John Calvin � not only for �changing� The Gospel but for his Inhumanity and Prideful Arrogance. Below are just a few of the reasons I would �BASH� John Calvin:
John Calvin forced the people of Geneva to attend the State Religion (Calvinism) under threat of Punishment (death) or Expulsion. Calvin taught that God Forces The Elect to BELIEVE�Calvin felt that he (Calvin) could FORCE the people of Geneva to Become �The Elect�, because that is what Calvin�s theology teaches.
On August 13, 1553 � a Michael Servetus (a longtime friend of Calvin�s) was arrested (on orders from Calvin) because Servetus angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's writings, Institutes, with critical comments in the margins.
Servetus was charged with heresy for his disagreement with Calvin's theology.
. Servetus pleaded to be BEHEADED instead of the more brutal method of Burning At The Stake,
but Calvin and the city council refused the quicker death method.
Other Protestant churches throughout Switzerland advised Calvin that Servetus be condemned but not executed.
Calvin ignored their pleas and Servetus was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553.
John Calvin INSISTED (this pious(?) man INSISTED) that his men use Green Wood for the fire because
��It Burned Slower.�
Servetus was screaming as he was literally baked alive from the feet upward and suffered the heat of the flames
��for 30 minutes��
before finally succumbing to one of the
��most painful and brutal death methods possible.�
Servetus had written a theology book, a copy of which Calvin had
strapped to the chest of Servetus. The flames from the burning book rose against Servetus' face as he screamed in agony.
All this is VERIFIABLE.
If my Pastor was GUILTY of this I would most Certainly BASH him
Before finding Another!
There are more Instances were Calvin showed his True Nature. If asked I will Produce them for anyone here.
There is Only One Gospel my Brothers and Sisters. One TRUTH�One God. It has been such from The Beginning...is Now and Always Will.
Question�Research and Test � then do it all over again!
I would most certainly BASH John Calvin � not only for �changing� The Gospel but for his Inhumanity and Prideful Arrogance. Below are just a few of the reasons I would �BASH� John Calvin:
John Calvin forced the people of Geneva to attend the State Religion (Calvinism) under threat of Punishment (death) or Expulsion. Calvin taught that God Forces The Elect to BELIEVE�Calvin felt that he (Calvin) could FORCE the people of Geneva to Become �The Elect�, because that is what Calvin�s theology teaches.
On August 13, 1553 � a Michael Servetus (a longtime friend of Calvin�s) was arrested (on orders from Calvin) because Servetus angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's writings, 'Institutes', with critical comments in the margins.
Servetus was charged with heresy for his disagreement with Calvin's theology.
. Servetus pleaded to be BEHEADED instead of the more brutal method of Burning At The Stake,
but Calvin and the city council refused the quicker death method.
Other Protestant churches throughout Switzerland advised Calvin that Servetus be condemned but not executed.
Calvin ignored their pleas and Servetus was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553.
John Calvin INSISTED (this pious(?) man INSISTED) that his men use Green Wood for the fire because
��It Burned Slower.�
Servetus was screaming as he was literally baked alive from the feet upward and suffered the heat of the flames
��for 30 minutes��
before finally succumbing to one of the
��most painful and brutal death methods possible.�
Servetus had written a theology book, a copy of which Calvin had
strapped to the chest of Servetus. The flames from the burning book rose against Servetus' face as he screamed in agony.
All this is VERIFIABLE.
If my Pastor was GUILTY of this I would most Certainly BASH him
Before finding Another!
There are more Instances were Calvin showed his True Nature. If asked I will Produce them for anyone here.
There is Only One Gospel my Brothers and Sisters. One TRUTH�One God. It has been such from The Beginning...is Now and Always Will.
Question�Research and Test � then do it all over again!
Every time you deny the truth, we will post it for you, you do not acknowledge scripture nor do you accept it as truth, this is not about bashing people caught up in the false doctrine of Calvinism, you have never acknowledged Scripture, as long as I watch your responses, I have never seen you agree with scripture. There is no problem with scripture, the problem is the twisting, and adding to scripture, and taking away of it as is the practice of reformed theology.
For instance that is several times you have lied on me, and not posting scripture, to back up any statement I may say.
James now I'll as k you again to teach us on the topic of bible faith?
Explain to us the law of sowing and reaping!!
Explain to us the law of faith.
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Posted : 19 Aug, 2011 06:23 PM
PhillipJohn,
You make a LOT of accusations, but NEVER back any of them up.
You start a thread to slam a theologian, because Someone posts a quote and Scripture verse to go with it.
You never deal with the quote, or offer a different interpretation.
Your actions on this group are childish, and annoying.
Most of the threads and comments by you are nothing but one line accusations filled with misspelled words, and half the time having nothing to do with the topic.
You really have to change your ways on this group.
In Christ,
James
You do not see or hear me bashing anybody I am very careful about mentioning names and the like, you have not seen me post articles as a whole on this forum, simply because I know and understand that most will sin with their mouth.
Exposing the false doctrine of Calvinism is not bashing any one it is an act of love, for love said to mark those that cause divisions and proclaim another doctrine.
For the record let us also make this clear if I say that the tulip and such is a doctrine of devils as it is, that is not calling any one a demon, that is simply exposing the lie.
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
James the first time I was ask, what is Calvinism and I might add it was on a forum, my answer was without hesitation it is a doctrine of demons, I knew not this individual or anything about him, but I know Jesus and his word,
Calvinism deny's this essential bible truth, it is called faith.
On 16 February 1553, Servetus, while in Vienne, was denounced as a heretic by Guillaume Trie, a rich merchant who had taken refuge in Geneva� a very good friend of Calvin,[19]�in a letter sent to a cousin, Antoine Arneys, who was living in Lyon. On behalf of the French inquisitor Matthieu Ory, Servetus as well as Arnollet, the printer of Christianismi Restitutio, were questioned, but they denied all charges and were released for lack of evidence. Arneys was asked by Ory to write back to Trie, demanding proof. On 26 March 1553, the letters sent by Servetus to Calvin and some manuscript pages of Christianismi Restitutio were forwarded to Lyon by Trie. On 4 April 1553 Servetus was arrested by Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On 17 June, he was convicted of heresy by the French Inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[20] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence.
Meaning to flee to Italy, Servetus inexplicably stopped in at Geneva, where Calvin and his Reformers had denounced him. On 13 August, he attended a sermon by Calvin at Geneva. He was immediately recognized and arrested after the service[21] and was again imprisoned. All his property was confiscated. French Inquisitors asked that Servetus be extradited to them for execution. Calvin wanted to show himself as firm in defense of Christian orthodoxy as his usual opponents. "He was forced to push the condemnation of Servetus with all the means at his command."[21] Calvin's delicate health meant he did not personally appear against Servetus.[22] Nicholas de la Fontaine played the more active role in Servetus's prosecution and the listing of points that condemned him.
At his trial, Servetus was condemned on two counts, for spreading and preaching Nontrinitarianism and anti-paedobaptism (anti-infant baptism).[23] Of paedobaptism Servetus had said, "It is an invention of the devil, an infernal falsity for the destruction of all Christianity."[24] In the case the procureur g�n�ral (chief public prosecutor) added some curious sounding accusations in the form of inquiries�the most odd sounding perhaps being, "whether he has married, and if he answers that he has not, he shall be asked why, in consideration of his age, he could refrain so long from marriage." To this oblique imputation of unchastity (or perhaps homosexuality), Servetus replied that rupture had long since made him incapable of that particular sin. More offensive to modern ears might be the question "whether he did not know that his doctrine was pernicious, considering that he favours Jews and Turks, by making excuses for them, and if he has not studied the Koran in order to disprove and controvert the doctrine and religion that the Christian churches hold, together with other profane books, from which people ought to abstain in matters of religion, according to the doctrine of St. Paul."
Calvin believed Servetus deserving of death on account of what he termed as his "execrable blasphemies".[25] Calvin expressed these sentiments in a letter to Farel, written about a week after Servetus� arrest, in which he also mentioned an exchange with Servetus. Calvin wrote:
� ...after he [Servetus] had been recognized, I thought he should be detained. My friend Nicolas summoned him on a capital charge, offering himself as a security according to the lex talionis. On the following day he adduced against him forty written charges. He at first sought to evade them. Accordingly we were summoned. He impudently reviled me, just as if he regarded me as obnoxious to him. I answered him as he deserved... of the man�s effrontery I will say nothing; but such was his madness that he did not hesitate to say that devils possessed divinity; yea, that many gods were in individual devils, inasmuch as a deity had been substantially communicated to those equally with wood and stone. I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated.[26] �
As Servetus was not a citizen of Geneva, and legally could at worst be banished, the government, in an attempt to find some plausible excuse to disregard this legal reality, had consulted with other Swiss Reformed cantons (Z�rich, Bern, Basel, Schaffhausen.) They universally favored his condemnation and suppression of his doctrine, but without saying how that should be accomplished.[27] Martin Luther had condemned his writing in strong terms. Servetus and Philip Melanchthon had strongly hostile views of each other. The party called the "Libertines", who were generally opposed to anything and everything John Calvin supported, were in this case strongly in favor of the execution of Servetus at the stake (while Calvin argued for something more humane). In fact, the council that condemned Servetus was presided over by Perrin (a Libertine) who ultimately on 24 October sentenced Servetus to death by burning for denying the Trinity and infant baptism.[28] When Calvin requested that Servetus be executed by decapitation rather than fire, Farel, in a letter of 8 September, chided him for undue lenience.[29] The Geneva Council refused his request. On 27 October 1553 Servetus was burned at the stake just outside Geneva with what was believed to be the last copy of his book chained to his leg. Historians record his last words as: "Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have mercy on me."[30]
Calvin agreed that those whom the ruling religious authorities determined to be heretics should be punished:
� Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory.[31]
