Does God know everything we're doing, everywhere, all-the-time? Using an old experiment from quantum physics (Young's et al.) I think we can scientifically prove He isn't.
Young's experiment involves shooting a beam of light through two slits in a sheet of paper onto a wall opposite. Because light particles behave like a wave and a particle, the way they show up on the far wall depends on whether someone's observing or not (a cornerstone of quantum theory - that we alter reality simply by observing it.) But if God were omnipresent, He should be the observer required to make light behave just one way all the time.
In Judaism, we pray aloud (no silent prayer) which seems to suggest that God doesn't read minds either (directly contrary to Christianity with how Jesus says in Matthew think it is, "...a man looking at a woman with lust in his eyes has already commited adultery with her..." As in, thoughts can be sinful. Claims that God possesses various attributes like mind-reading, omnipresence, etc. don't seem to be supported by Scripture:
In Genesis, God calls out to Adam as though He didn't know where he was. Then again asking Able where Cain was. And so on. These could be literary devices of course, but they're repeated often enough to raise the question of whether God really "sees all that we do."
Does God know everything we're doing, everywhere, all-the-time? Using an old experiment from quantum physics (Young's et al.) I think we can scientifically prove He isn't.
Young's experiment involves shooting a beam of light through two slits in a sheet of paper onto a wall opposite. Because light particles behave like a wave and a particle, the way they show up on the far wall depends on whether someone's observing or not (a cornerstone of quantum theory - that we alter reality simply by observing it.) But if God were omnipresent, He should be the observer required to make light behave just one way all the time.
In Judaism, we pray aloud (no silent prayer) which seems to suggest that God doesn't read minds either (directly contrary to Christianity with how Jesus says in Matthew think it is, "...a man looking at a woman with lust in his eyes has already commited adultery with her..." As in, thoughts can be sinful. Claims that God possesses various attributes like mind-reading, omnipresence, etc. don't seem to be supported by Scripture:
In Genesis, God calls out to Adam as though He didn't know where he was. Then again asking Able where Cain was. And so on. These could be literary devices of course, but they're repeated often enough to raise the question of whether God really "sees all that we do."
Thoughts?
Well my FIRST thought is, This thread is called is GOD Omnipresent(everywhere at once) He is. the psalmist Said
Psalm 139
7Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
Etc...So GOD IS everywhere becasue of his spirit. (yet he is still in eternity, enthroned in heaven)
The reason God caleld out to Adam, and Out to Cain, is becasue GOD tests us to see our heart. God knew where they were. God knows ALL.
Again, I wasn't looking for verses, I can Search Scriptures too afterall. Was hoping for a counter-proof involving science. Christianity used to have scientists...Where are ya'll? :)
:applause:...Excellant RK...I love that Psalm 139..have it on my Profile...and you are so on the mark...God does Test are Hearts ALL the Time...thats why...I believe God did not Accept Cains Offering of the Field...Cain's Heart had Resentment towards His brother Abel prior to the Offering...Good Manna...and Jeff...Glad you are keeping a File :0)...xo
So Jeff even if you believed that this universe is so amazing that it must have been created by an intelligent All-Powerful Being. And even if you believed this Creator loved you and that every breath you take and that your every heartbeat is a beautiful gift from your loving creator. And even if you believed with all your mind that your intelligent Creator was wise enough to give his Creation a Book which reveals a Divine Covenant with you; which will result in your living forever with a beautiful heavenly body in an amazing eternal New Heavens and New Earth you still don't have enough to be saved. Since our Creator has promised "You will only find Me when you seek Me with *ALL* your heart!!" Jeremiah 29:13
"Claims that God possesses various attributes like mind-reading, omnipresence, etc. don't seem to be supported by Scripture:"
...So i showed you SCRIPTURE to support it...
NOW your saying
"I wasn't looking for verses, I can Search Scriptures too afterall. Was hoping for a counter-proof involving science. Christianity used to have scientists..."
So you want the wisdom of MAN, to either prove or diss prove what the Scriptures say?
"Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men,..." 1 Cor 1:25
Actually, i beleive Paul talks allot about MANS WISDOM being follishness to God (i just dont remeber where else right now)
So Science when all boils down to it is great in alot of ways, but DONT use what MAN can come up with agaisnt waht Scripture says. If you belive Scripture is Godbreathed, then you must take it as that. If not, then you must take it as that. There is no inbetween.
Unless im mistaking you. I could very well be, i tend to jump somtimes...Text conversations arent the best way to understand each other. :)
I thought we already talked about not being able to explain G-d via scientific means, because he is Supernatural and the law of the spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death, so we are not bound by natural laws, G-d is so far beyond that and like RK said, man's wisdom is foolishness to G-d.
Excellant RK...I love that Psalm 139..have it on my Profile...and you are so on the mark...God does Test are Hearts ALL the Time...thats why...I believe God did not Accept Cains Offering of the Field...Cain's Heart had Resentment towards His brother Abel prior to the Offering...Good Manna...and Jeff...Glad you are keeping a File :0)...xo
It IS a Good Psalm "Gods Jude"
Actually, if i could, concerning Abel and cain, This is what i see, it makes sence to me, i could be wrong, and i not saying believe me....
GOD didn't accept Cains offering, because it was not a BLOOD sacrifice. Cain KNEW the Kind of sacrifice GOD desired. We can see this becasue, Adam and eve, when there eyes were opened, clothed them selves in VEGETATION(Gen 3:7). But then GOD, Made them instead to be clothed in skin(hide). And since ALL humans were still vegetarians(Gen 1:29, Gen 9:3) at that point, So they didnt EAT the animals, so God MUST have showed them that he wants a BLOOD animal sacrifice. THAT was when God must have taught Adam and eve about sacrifice, Becasue in the very next chapter, Abel is offering the first of his flock. SO God MUST have told them about Sacrifice. So WHY did God smile on Abels and not Cains?
CAINS was NOT what God told him. He dissobeyed Gods WORD. and instead gave what HE thought God would want, His OWN selfrighteous works(Vegetation) of his hands..instead of OBEYING the WORD of GOD(doing what is right...God says "if you do what is right will you not be accepted?" in scripture we are never directly told what is "RIGHT" but if we do a little searching, and then through out the rest we see WHY God would want a BLOOD sacrifice...i think it makes total sence. If we arent covered by the BLOOD, then that measn we ARE NOT OBEYING THE WORD...which is NOT doign what is right. UNrighteousness...So GOD knew fro mhis sacrifice that CAIN was unrighteouss, adn SIN was at his door...Then ext thing Cain does...SIN. God called him on it. Why? Becasue he KNEW CAINS HEART...God is ALL knowing.
Then God asks Cain Where Abel is(gen 4:9). GOD KNEW where Abel was, Becasue GOD SAYS that Abels BLOOD cries to him from the ground, He told Cain in the next verse.
So if GOD heard abels Blood CRY("to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that SPEAKS a better word than the blood of Abel." Hebrews 12:24) That measn GOD can hear BLOOD SPEAK...That ALSO adds to the fact that GOD is ever present, all knowing, all powerfull he is GOD, why would we try to stick him in a BOX?
God can hear BLOOD SPEAK...that COULD be an alitteration, but in the SPIRIT is different then PHYSICAL/Carnal/flesh..morality....And God IS SPIRIT...Anyway i just had to throw that in there -Jesus bless you.
This simply refers to the fact that all things are under His rule and control, and that nothing happens in this Universe without His direction or permission. He is a God Who works, not just some things, but all things after the counsel of His own will (see Eph. 1:11). God's purpose is all- inclusive and is never thwarted (see Isa. 46:11). Nothing Takes Him by Surprise
"It is not merely that God has the power and right to govern all things but that He does so always and without exception." - John Piper
God is sovereign over the entire universe: Ps 103:19; Rom 8:28; Eph 1:11
God is sovereign over all of nature: Ps 135:6-7; Mt 5:45; 6:25-30
God is sovereign over angels & Satan: Ps 103:20-21; Job 1:12
God is sovereign over nations: Ps 47:7-9; Dan 2:20-21; 4:34-35
God is sovereign over human beings: 1 Sam 2:6-7; Gal 1:15-16
God is sovereign over animals: Ps 104:21-30; 1 Ki 17:4-6
God is sovereign over "accidents": Pr 16:33; Jon 1:7; Mt 10:29
God is sovereign over free acts of men: Ex 3:21; 12:25-36; Ez 7:27
God is sovereign over sinful acts of men and Satan: 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Chr 21:1; Gen 45:5; 50:20
