Praying with the mind is helpful. It helps the party we pray for, it helps ourselves because it is talking to God..that awareness that God is able and willing to answer prayers. God loves to hear from us. Here we are free will beings and we invest time in talking to God in prayer, God loves that.
Prayer done by speaking in tongues and thinking about the individual we are praying for or picturing the person we are praying for in our minds and then speaking in tongues for them is "perfect prayer"....That is, as much as we know with our minds about a person, their needs, their situation...God knows more than we do...that is why prayer done in tongues is perfect...it allows God to act freely in the situation, rather than the specific way we are requesting God to act when we pray with our minds...
I have no idea what I am speaking when speaking in tongues, it is a language of angles or a language of man... do know the bible clearly says that no man speaking in tongues calls Jesus accursed. I have kown of events where speaking and tongues and interpretation have occurred where a person in the audience understood what was being said..and she said the gist of it was "glorifying God"...does that help?
I am sorry, I missed that, were you referring to godsjude or myself?
The Holy host thing, that is in italics in the KJ, so added words), doesn't exist...there is/are references to the Holy Ghost elsewhere...its still the word "pneuma hagion" the same word translated as Holy Spirit, I have no problem with your belief system...its just that for me the Trinity is rubbish, man's doctrine...it started during the latter part of Pauls' ministry...is still complicated, contradictory...have at it..preach it like you see it...
bless,
michael chudzinski
Oh I see a crowd forming downstairs, folks yelling "burn the heretic"....I need to get my megaphone out and turn up the bank of lights on my patio...
So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
New Living Translation (�2007)
Well then, what shall I do? I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand. I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.
English Standard Version (�2001)
What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
New American Standard Bible (�1995)
What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
International Standard Version (�2008)
What does this mean? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, but I will also sing psalms with my mind.
GOD'S WORD� Translation (�1995)
So what does this mean? It means that I will pray with my spirit, and I will pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, and I will sing psalms with my mind.
King James Bible
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
American King James Version
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
American Standard Version
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Bible in Basic English
What then? let my prayer be from the spirit, and equally from the mind; let my song be from the spirit, and equally from mind.
Douay-Rheims Bible
What is it then ? I will pray with the spirit, I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing with the spirit, I will sing also with the understanding.
Darby Bible Translation
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing with the spirit, but I will sing also with the understanding.
English Revised Version
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Webster's Bible Translation
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Weymouth New Testament
How then does the matter stand? I will pray in spirit, and I will pray with my understanding also. I will praise God in spirit, and I will praise Him with my understanding also.
World English Bible
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Young's Literal Translation
What then is it? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing psalms with the spirit, and I will sing psalms also with the understanding;
I believe a more correct rendering is praying with my understanding, either or whether you say mind or understanding neither one can pray, the simple understanding If I pray in english I pray as I remember, or no according to my intellect.
George in order to correct you again as your habit is to put your own opinion to everything, What I say man can not and does commune or relate to god with his mind, the mind of man is natural, their is nothing spiritual about it.
