If PJ is off course then the bible is and I am confident the one that saved me is not a figment of my imagination.
In Ephs. ch 2 the gift is salvation, the topic matter is not faith but salvation.
In Romans Ch 12, in regards to faith we know this is speaking to the church, or those already born again, when they accepted Jesus according to the word of God they believed and acted on what they heard and where saved, that is when they received the measure of faith.
Romans Ten tells us clearly how does one receive faith, by hearing and hearing by the word of God, notice faith comes and it wouldn't need to come if it was already there. this also reveals to us that faith is not general as a whole it is specific, and for faith on any subject one must first learn the will of God on the topic.
Faith for the new birth is very clear in Romans ch 10, the man's faith is revealed by his response to Romans 10, as is his unbelief.
John 6:39,44: Jesus says, And this is the will of Him who sent Me. that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me, but raise them up on the Last Day....No one can come to Me *UNLESS* the Father who sent Me draws him and I will raise him up at the Last Day!":applause:
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be his CALLED, *CHOSEN* and faithful followers." The Father only Calls and Chooses those He knows will be faithful.
Ephesians 2:8,9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and **THIS NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT** of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.":applause::angel::peace:
Upon creation/birth God gives man everything/survivial skills he/she will need to live on earth, and it is up to each person to develop and cultivate those skills and spiritual gifts God has given.
God has given each person born A measure (which means a certain amount) of Faith to every creature born, but it is up to each person to take hold of, and to cultivate and grow their faith, so that one might go from faith to faith glory to glory.
Mr.ED
The measure of FAITH here is not 'SAVING FAITH'.
This is common faith,which you have every day.
When you sit in a chair,you trust,believe 'faith',the chair will hold your weight.
That is not SAVING FAITH.
in the same way every person has this common faith,yet not EVERYONE has been given 'SAVING FAITH'.
ELLA:
"For I say to you, through the grace GIVEN to you, to every man (person) that is among you, not to think of him/herself more highly than he/she ought to think, but to think soberly, according to what God has dealt to every person the measure (a) of faith." Romans chapter 12
ED:
ELLA,nice try at TWISTING the Scriptures TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE SAYING.
That is an old TRICK from the enemy.
Here is what the WORD of GOD says.
PAUL IS TALKING TO BELIEVERS IN YESHUA ONLY.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
ELLA:
Its what one does with the measure, whether its a teaspoon or a tablespoon of faith, its what you do with it that counts, because without faith it is impossible to even please God, even if a person has the faith to move Las Vegas down to the banks of Lake Meade, if he/she is not using their faith, it means nothing in God's eye sight... you are still considered an ufaithful servant.
ELLA:
Yes, PJ might be off course with the concept of faith, but POIC, you're off as well, because you don't have enough faith to show your brother where he is wrong. So show me your faith when correcting your brother and I'll show you how faith works after you have corrected your brother.
Mr.Ed:
PJ,has been corrected COUNTLESS times by myself as well as others.
PJ,displays an unteachable spirit,resisting the Holy SPirit,as He the Spirit of GOD uses others to teach and instruct PJ.
You also ELLA display the same unteachable spirit as PJ.
The unteachable saying the taught are not teachable, sounds like the accuser of the brethren to me, and he ain't Jesus, btw George you are not everybody.
Romans 12:3 ~ For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, [ according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.] KJV *** I'm I missing something here ? Does this not say in Simple English that GOD has dealt [ Given ] to Every Man ( the ) Measure of FAITH ???...I have Faith in my Lord and Saviour Jesus...and that Faith is Given to me by GOD...Right ???...xo
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Mr.Ed
The Faith spoken here is able to change a person.
Unbelievers do not have this Faith.
Faith to trust Yeshua to save one from the wrath of GOD against sin,this is also given by YHWH.
Saving faith is not given to EACH and every person.
If this were true,then we would be called UNIVERSALISTS,not Believers in Yeshua.
George told a lie again, faith is not given, it cometh to the hearer, the hearer then believe on what he has heard and then the corresponding action on the part of the hearer is faith.
