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Posted : 13 Jul, 2011 05:10 PM

How did God speak to Moses on the Mount?



Let's see who studies the scriptures.



Should be more questions and discussions on here

about scriptures, I see a lot of everything else. lol



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 10:05 AM

Titus 2:13: "We wait for the Blessed Hope--the glorious appearing of our *GREAT GOD* and Savior, Jesus Christ."



Christians are commanded to worship God *ALONE* as per Rev 19:10 & Rev 22:8,9 and hundreds of other Scripture. Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the sea and all that is in them, singing: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb {Jesus} be praise and honor and power and glory, for ever and ever!" The four living creatures said "Amen," and the elders fell down and WORSHIPED! {The Lamb, Jesus}:applause:



Hebrews 1:6-8: When God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels WORSHIP HIM!"....But about the Son He {The Father}} says, "Your throne, O *GOD* will last for ever and ever!":applause:



Rev 22:3: The throne of God {The Father} and of the Lamb {Jesus} will be in the City {The eternal New Jerusalem} Rev 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." There will be only TWO thrones for Jesus and His Father in the eternal New Jerusalem {according to Rev 22:3 above} and they are only TWO who should be worshiped both now and for ever and ever. Hebrews 1:8: About the Son He {The Father} says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever.!!":applause:



Unfortunately there are many who worship other gods or even people such as the Roman Catholic worship of Mary; and this is an unpardonable sin unless repented of.



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 10:27 AM

jeff posts:



Exodus 3:1-4

1. Moses was pasturing the flocks of Jethro, his father in law, the chief of Midian, and he led the flocks after the free pastureland, and he came to the mountain of God, to Horeb.



2. An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from within the thorn bush, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, but the thorn bush was not being consumed.



3. So Moses said, "Let me turn now and see this great spectacle why does the thorn bush not burn up?"



4. The Lord saw that he had turned to see, and God called to him from within the thorn bush, and He said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am!"





Merciful:

Verse 4 is a bad translation of the Hebrew.



I will post 3 other translations and explain why this is so.





KJV:

Exo 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.





Literal Translation: The closest to the original



Exo 3:1 And Moses was feeding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock behind the wilderness and came to the mountain of God, to Horeb.

Exo 3:2 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a thorn bush. And he looked, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, and the thorn bush was not burned up!

Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will turn aside now and see this great sight, why the thorn bush is not burned up.

Exo 3:4 And Jehovah saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the thorn bush, and said, Moses! Moses! And he said, Behold me.





Youngs literal translation:

Exo 3:1 And Moses hath been feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, priest of Midian, and he leadeth the flock behind the wilderness, and cometh in unto the mount of God, to Horeb;

Exo 3:2 and there appeareth unto him a messenger of Jehovah in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he seeth, and lo, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed.

Exo 3:3 And Moses saith, `Let me turn aside, I pray thee, and I see this great appearance; wherefore is the bush not burned?'

Exo 3:4 and Jehovah seeth that he hath turned aside to see, and God calleth unto him out of the midst of the bush, and saith, `Moses, Moses;' and he saith, `Here am I.'





Notice the difference in Moses response to YHWH from Jeffs translation vs 4,

Compared to the 3 which i have posted





In Jeffs post,Moses responds by saying 'Here I AM'



Who in Scripture is 'I AM' hmmmmm





Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.



Today when talking with Hebrews they do not say 'I AM'

example:

I am going to the store

I'm going to the store



Hebrews say:

I go to the store

I will be going to the store.



A word or a phrase is able to change the structure and meaning of a sentence,chapter or an entire book of Scripture.



Look at the False/Jehovahs witnesses.

Online Bible

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures



John 1:1-51

1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence



Notice verse 1,The word was a god, a god, a god, a god.

That one little letter/word 'A' has changed the entire Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

This makes Yeshua just another god.

Not the Second person within the Triune GODHEAD.



Now anyone can make fun of my going to the Greek and Hebrew and posting that which is within both.

Yet when anyone here goes to those same languages and posts here,I will be rejoicing and .



Shalom

Mr.Magoo



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 10:54 AM

Thnk you Richard for you post.

Actually million of christians are in hell right now and other millions of christians flowing there now like oil to the hell fire.



We are saved by god ONLY THROUGH FAITH that Jesus is God.

You quoted good passages showing Mike who are christians.

Mike, if you will not reconsider your position before God Jesus

you will just join million of the fake christians in hell.



Who is God Jesus in your favorite Old Testament?

He is God who like a Servant took the sin of the world to His HOLY body. Are you able to take my sins Mike?

No. Only God is able to do it.

He is God and He is equal to His Father says the Holy Schristian Scripture which we all call the Holy Bible:



Isaiah 53



1 Who has believed our report?

And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,

And as a root out of dry ground.

He has no form or comeliness;

And when we see Him,

There is no beauty that we should desire Him.

3 He is despised and rejected by men,

A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.

And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;

He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely He has borne our griefs

And carried our sorrows;

Yet we esteemed Him stricken,

Smitten by God, and afflicted.

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,

He was bruised for our iniquities;

The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,

And by His stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;

We have turned, every one, to his own way;

And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,

Yet He opened not His mouth;

He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,

And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,

So He opened not His mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,

And who will declare His generation?

For He was cut off from the land of the living;

For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.

9 And they[a] made His grave with the wicked�

But with the rich at His death,

Because He had done no violence,

Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;

He has put Him to grief.

When You make His soul an offering for sin,

He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,

And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

11 He shall see the labor of His soul,[b]and be satisfied.

By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,

For He shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,

And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,

Because He poured out His soul unto death,

And He was numbered with the transgressors,

And He bore the sin of many,

And made intercession for the transgressors.



This prophecy of God was fulfilled in the life of God Jesus.

Now repent of your sins Mike, confess them to God because your main sin is disbelief in God Jesus.

Do not be disbeliever but a believer.

Be adopyed by God though your FAITH and live a holy life.

This is what you call christianity! :angel:



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 11:36 AM

1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: [ and these three are one. ]...xo



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 11:51 AM

Jeff says:

Ya, have often imagined my first visit to Israel and taking off my shoes to feel holy ground beneath my feet for the first time. ...Actual ground or sand like, not the airport concrete :)



YHWH says to Moses:

Exo 3:5 And He said, Do not come near here. Pull off your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.





Mr.Magoo:

Remember,Moses fled from Egypt and He was wearing the Egytian sandals.

The Hebrew slaves in Egypt did not wear any type of footwear.

This is what seperated the slaves from the Masters.



By having Moses remove the sandals, YHWHW is telling Moses that he is a slave,not a master.

YHWH is the MASTER,I have been made a slave of YHWH,through Yeshua.



Shalom



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 11:58 AM

Now there are some who state that since Jesus and His Father are Both God and are the only Ones who should be worshiped they are also *EQUAL*since they are One in what they believe.



However Jesus contradicts this view in John 14:28,31: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to to the Father, for the Father is *GREATER* than I....The world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what My Father has commanded Me!�



John14:24 Jesus says, These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me.�



Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among your brothers, I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in MY Name, I Myself will call him to account!!"



John 17:24: Jesus prayed, �Father, I want those YOU have given Me to be with Me where I am!�

John 6:39,44: Jesus says, �This is the will of HIM who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all that HE has given Me, but raise them up on the Last Day...No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me draws Him, and I will raise him up on the Last Day!�



I Corinthians 15:22-24: �For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits, then when He comes, those who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.� And so when Jesus comes again He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father!



Luke 11:2-4: Jesus commands, �When you pray, say: �Father, hallowed be Your Name, Your Kingdom come {When Jesus comes again above} And so In Luke 11 and in Matthew 6:5-13 Jesus commands us to only pray to the Father and not even to Himself.



Unfortunately there are many who sinfully worship and pray to other gods and even humans like the Roman Catholic Church:devil: who worships and prays to Mary.



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 01:02 PM

@profit:

profit says:

Now there are some who state that since Jesus and His Father are Both God and are the only Ones who should be worshiped they are also *EQUAL*since they are One in what they believe.



However Jesus contradicts this view in John 14:28,31: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to to the Father, for the Father is *GREATER* than I....The world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what My Father has commanded Me!�



Magoo:

Yehusas' Deity:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.



Heb 1:1 In many ways and in various ways of old, God spoke to the fathers in the prophets;

Heb 1:2 in these last days He spoke to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all; through whom He indeed made the ages;

Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, Psa. 110:1

Heb 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, He has inherited a name more excellent than they.

Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, "You are My Son; today I have begotten You"? And again, "I will be a Father to Him, and He shall be a Son to Me." Psalm 2:7

Heb 1:6 And again, when He brought the First-born into the world, He said, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." MT-No Equiv

Heb 1:7 And as to the angels, He said, "Who makes His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;" LXX-Psa. 103:4; MT-Psa. 104:4

Heb 1:8 but as to the Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;

Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows." Psa. 45:6, 7

Heb 1:10 And, "You, Lord, at the beginning founded the earth, and the heavens are works of Your hands.





EQUAL with the FATHER:

Php 2:5 For think this within you, which mind was also in Christ Jesus,

Php 2:6 who subsisting in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,

Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, having become in the likeness of men

Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, having become obedient until death, even the death of a cross.





Yeshua recieved worship:

Luk 17:11 And it happened in His going to Jerusalem even He passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.

Luk 17:12 And He entering into a certain village, ten leprous men met Him, who stood afar off.

Luk 17:13 And they lifted their voice, saying, Jesus, Master, pity us.

Luk 17:14 And seeing them, He said to them, Going, show yourselves to the priests. And it happened in their going they were cleansed.

Luk 17:15 And one of them, seeing that he was cured, returned glorifying God with a loud voice.

Luk 17:16 And he fell on his face at His feet, thanking Him. And he was a Samaritan.

Luk 17:17 And answering, Jesus said, Were not the ten cleansed? But where are the nine?

Luk 17:18 Were not any found returning to give glory to God except this foreigner?

Luk 17:19 And He said to him, Rising up, go! Your faith has cured you.





Yeshua forgives sin:

Luk 5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.

Luk 5:18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.

Luk 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.

Luk 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Luk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?

Luk 5:23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?

Luk 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

Luk 5:25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.





Yeshua creates:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

John 1:2 this one was in the beginning with God;

John 1:3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.

John 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,



Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;



Firstborn is verse 15 is the Greek word 'Prototokos'

We get the English word 'Prototype'



G4416

πρωτοτόκος

prōtotokos

pro-tot-ok'-os

From G4413 and the alternate of G5088; first born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively): - firstbegotten (-born).





I hope these are sufficient to show that Yeshua, and ABBA are completely equal.



Shalom

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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 01:11 PM

Luke 11:2-4: Jesus commands, �When you pray, say: �Father, hallowed be Your Name, Your Kingdom come {When Jesus comes again above} And so In Luke 11 and in Matthew 6:5-13 Jesus commands us to only pray to the Father and not even to Himself.



*** The Apostles asked Jesus "HOW" to Pray...Jesus did not "Command" this...they asked He answered..

Mat 6:1-13

1~Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2~ Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3~ But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4~That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5~ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6~ But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7~ But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8~ Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9~ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10~ Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11~Give us this day our daily bread.

12~ And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13~ And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

*** If He did not Want or Desire Praise which is Worship...then Why did He not Rebuke those that Bowed Down at His feet to Worship HIm ???...xo



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 01:15 PM

Passed over in Christ:



God's Word clearly states that Jesus and His Father are both God and are both to be worshiped but you didn't address all of the Scripture that show that the God the Father is greater than God the Son.



Titus 2:13: "We wait for the Blessed Hope--the glorious appearing of our *GREAT GOD* and Savior, Jesus Christ."



Christians are commanded to worship God *ALONE* as per Rev 19:10 & Rev 22:8,9 and hundreds of other Scripture. Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the sea and all that is in them, singing: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb {Jesus} be praise and honor and power and glory, for ever and ever!" The four living creatures said "Amen," and the elders fell down and WORSHIPED! {The Lamb, Jesus}



Hebrews 1:6-8: When God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels WORSHIP HIM!"....But about the Son He {The Father}} says, "Your throne, O *GOD* will last for ever and ever!"



Rev 22:3: The throne of God {The Father} and of the Lamb {Jesus} will be in the City {The eternal New Jerusalem} Rev 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." There will be only TWO thrones for Jesus and His Father in the eternal New Jerusalem {according to Rev 22:3 above} and they are only TWO who should be worshiped both now and for ever and ever. Hebrews 1:8: About the Son He {The Father} says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever.!!"



Unfortunately there are many who worship other gods or even people such as the Roman Catholic worship of Mary; and this is an unpardonable sin unless repented of.



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Posted : 14 Jul, 2011 01:52 PM

Please respect my Topic

and DO NOT post LOng...Replies about all you believe

in here and disregard others.

Reviewing these comments.

Thank You

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