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Blasphemy?
Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 02:25 PM

I have been taught a couple different meanings of what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and am wondering if I have the accurate interpretation, please advise.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 06:56 PM

ok we are talking about blaspheming the holy ghost, thank you.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 07:51 PM

@PJ:



PJ says:



Saved are you filled with the holy ghost with the evidence of Speaking in tongues?





Meanie:

Speaking in a tongue IS NOT EVIDENCE of being filled with the Holy Spirit.



This is the evidence of being empowered of the Holy Spirit.

Act 1:5 because John, indeed, baptized with water, and ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit--after not many days.'



Act 1:6 They, therefore, indeed, having come together, were questioning him, saying, `Lord, dost thou at this time restore the reign to Israel?'

Act 1:7 and he said unto them, `It is not yours to know times or seasons that the Father did appoint in His own authority;

Act 1:8 but ye shall receive power at the coming of the Holy Spirit upon you, and ye shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and unto the end of the earth.'



Further evidence is being transformed of the former life.



I do not believe the HEALTH AND WEALTHERS want to believe this Holy Spirit empowered Scripture.



1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.















When I make a comment I go by what the word of God says and the word is clear says concerning the father and the lord Jesus and the forgiveness of sins.







I believe the question is what is blasphemy of the holy ghost?







That is what my response is based on.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 07:55 PM

What is one of the rules of Biblical interpretation.



I know PJ does not want to hear this.



CONTEXT,Context people,Context.



Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.





What do verses 29-30 say,This is BLASPHEMING the HOLY SPIRIT.



Attributing the Work of the Holy Spirit to the enemy.



Shalom

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 08:32 PM

GEORGE U MUST HAVE MISSED THE CONTEXT, TRY AGAIN

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 08:47 PM

Jesus says in Matthew chapter 12: "Therefore, I say to you, ALL manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven to men. BUT the blasphemey against the Holy Ghost/Spirit WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN TO MEN. And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man (Jesus) it will be forgiven. BUT whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost/Spirit, it WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM/HER, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME."

Definition of the word BLASPHEMY: To reproach or to bring a railing accusation against, or to speak lightly or carelessly of God or His Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God, the Holy Spirit is a person, and this is a serious matter to speak against God or His Holy Spirit, it is the unpardenable sin, and Jesus says you WILL NOT BE ANY OFRGIVENESS for this sin even when there is sincere repentance here on earth, nor any forgiveness in heaven, because it is a damnable sin into hell. Plain and simple...

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 09:02 PM

ET:



The text says that anyone who speaks against Jesus who is God will be forgiven.



Can you give a concrete example of how an unsaved person can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when it is actually an unpardonable sin. This passage has mystified the top Christian theologians but I'm sure you have all the answers.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 09:34 PM

According to the text it seems that you can blaspheme Jesus who is God all you want but if You say something bad against the Holy Spirit you are going to hell even if you repent, Or could it mean that if the Holy Spirit speaks to you throw God's Word and you reject his call you have committed the unpardonable sin. Yet there are many who have continually rejected the Holy Spirit through God's Word and later became saved and become fantastic Christians.



So to give an absolute answer to this passage it not so clear since to give a absolute concrete example is not so easy. And to say to an unsaved person that they have definitely committed this unpardonable sin and therefore can not be saved is not so clear.



However, the 4 unpardonable sins in Revelation are very clear.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 09:34 PM

To Prophetic,

Ella said: Definition of the word BLASPHEMY: To reproach or to bring a railing accusation against, or to speak lightly or carelessly of God or His Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God, the Holy Spirit is a person, and this is a serious matter to speak against God or His Holy Spirit, it is the unpardenable sin, and Jesus says you WILL NOT BE ANY OFRGIVENESS for this sin even when there is sincere repentance here on earth, nor any forgiveness in heaven, because it is a damnable sin into hell. Plain and simple... Prophetic said: ET: The text says that anyone who speaks against Jesus who is God will be forgiven.

Can you give a concrete example of how an unsaved person can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when it is actually an unpardonable sin. This passage has mystified the top Christian theologians but I'm sure you have all the answers.

Ella says: Prophet, I think if you have a clear understanding of the definition of the meaning of the word blasphemny as I've post... it should not be too difficult for you to know and understand how an unsaved person can commit blasphemny against the Holy Spirit, which is the unpardenable sin. Nor necessary for me to give you a "concrete example of this.

The passage Jesus has spoken means what it says, and says what it say and means. I've never heard or read of any "top Christian theologians who have been mystified by this passges." Nor have I ever read or heard of any "top Christian theologians" who do not clearly understand or do not have a udnerstanding or have confusion about what Jesus is speakign here. So who are these "top Christian thelogians you speak about?" I would be interested in reading those articles, if written of such discussions from these top Christin theologians.

This passage is very clear whether the person is saved or unsaved. Therefore, I give you a "concrete example of how an unsaved person can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit", would not the "concrete example" you request of me, be in and of its self be blaspheming?

Therefore, I think you if consider the meaning of the definition you should have an idea of your "concrete example." Surely, you know what it means "To reproach or to bring a railing accusation against, or to speak lightly or carelessly of God or His Holy Spirit."

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 10:11 PM

Some TOP FAMOUS CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIANS COMMENTARIES & BIBLE TRANSLATIONS on Matthew chapter 12: 31-32

GOD'S WORD� Translation: So I can guarantee that people will be forgiven for any sin or cursing. However, cursing the Spirit will not be forgiven.

King James Bible:Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Bible in Basic English: So I say to you, Every sin and every evil word against God will have forgiveness; but for evil words against the Spirit there will be no forgiveness.

Darby Bible Translation: For this reason I say unto you, Every sin and injurious speaking shall be forgiven to men, but speaking injuriously of the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.

Young's Literal Translation: Because of this I say to you, all sin and evil speaking shall be forgiven to men, but the evil speaking of the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

All manner of sin and blasphemy - Βλασφημια, injurious or impious speaking, mocking and deriding speech, Anglo-Saxon. See Matthew 9:3. But the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost - Even personal reproaches, revilings, persecutions against Christ, were remissible; but blasphemy, or impious speaking against the Holy Spirit was to have no forgiveness: i.e. when the person obstinately attributed those works to the devil, which he had the fullest evidence could be wrought only by the Spirit of God. That this, and nothing else, is the sin against the Holy Spirit, is evident from the connection in this place, and more particularly from Mark 3:28-30. "All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme; but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation; Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit." Here the matter is made clear beyond the smallest doubt - the unpardonable sin, as some term it, is neither less nor more than ascribing the miracles Christ wrought, by the power of God, to the spirit of the devil. Many sincere people have been grievously troubled with apprehensions that they had committed the unpardonable sin; but let it be observed that no man who believes the Divine mission of Jesus Christ, ever can commit this sin: therefore let no man's heart fail because of it, from henceforth and for ever, Amen. See below.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Wherefore I say unto you,.... This shows, that what follows is occasioned by what the Pharisees had said, concerning the miracles of Christ; imputing them to diabolical influence and assistance, when they were done by the Spirit of God, of which they themselves were conscious; all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: not unto all men, for there are some, who, as they are never truly convinced of sin, and brought to repentance for it, so they never have the remission of it; but to such to whom God of his free grace has promised, and for whom he has provided this blessing, in the covenant of his grace; for whom the blood of Christ was shed, for the remission of their sins; and who, by the Spirit of God, are made sensible of them, and have repentance unto life given them, and faith in Christ, by which they receive the forgiveness of them: the sense is, that all kind of sin, whether committed more immediately against God, or man, the first or second table of the law, or against any of the divine precepts; be they sins small or great, secret or open, sins of heart, lip, or life, or attended with whatsoever aggravating circumstances; and all kind of blasphemy, or evil speaking of men, or of angels, or of the name of God, but what is hereafter excepted, there is forgiveness of in the grace of God, through the blood of Christ, even for all sorts of men and sinners whatever. The Jews have a saying (z), that God pardons all sins, "except lasciviousness".'' But this is not excepted by Christ, only what follows, but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, shall not be forgiven unto men: by which is meant, not every ignorant denial of, and opposition to his deity and personality; nor all resistance of him in the external ministry of the word; nor every sin that is knowingly and wilfully committed; but it is a despiteful usage of the Spirit of grace, an opposing, contradicting, and denying the operations wrought, or doctrines revealed by him, against a man's own light and conscience, out of wilful and obstinate malice, on purpose to lessen the glory of God, and gratify his own lusts: such was the sin of the Scribes and Pharisees; who, though they knew the miracles of Christ were wrought by the Spirit of God, yet maliciously and obstinately imputed them to the devil, with a view to obscure the glory of Christ, and indulge their own wicked passions and resentments against him; which sin was unpardonable at that present time, as well as under that dispensation then to come, when the Spirit of God was poured down in a more plenteous manner.

Wesley's Notes

12:31 The blasphemy against the Spirit - How much stir has been made about this? How many sermons, yea, volumes, have been written concerning it? And yet there is nothing plainer in all the Bible. It is neither more nor less than the ascribing those miracles to the power of the devil, which Christ wrought by the power of the Holy Ghost. Mark 3:28; Luke 12:10.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men-The word "blasphemy" properly signifies "detraction," or "slander." In the New Testament it is applied, as it is here, to vituperation directed against God as well as against men; and in this sense it is to be understood as an aggravated form of sin. Well, says our Lord, all sin-whether in its ordinary or its more aggravated forms-shall find forgiveness with God. Accordingly, in Mark (Mr 3:28) the language is still stronger: "All sin shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme." There is no sin whatever, it seems, of which it may be said, "That is not a pardonable sin." This glorious assurance is not to be limited by what follows; but, on the contrary, what follows is to be explained by this. but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

12:31,32 Here is a gracious assurance of the pardon of all sin upon gospel terms. Christ herein has set an example to the sons of men, to be ready to forgive words spoken against them. But humble and conscientious believers, at times are tempted to think they have committed the unpardonable sin, while those who have come the nearest to it, seldom have any fear about it. We may be sure that those who indeed repent and believe the gospel, have not committed this sin, or any other of the same kind; for repentance and faith are the special gifts of God, which he would not bestow on any man, if he were determined never to pardon him; and those who fear they have committed this sin, give a good sign that they have not. The trembling, contrite sinner, has the witness in himself that this is not his case.

Leviticus 24:16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.

blasphemy. Blasphemy, [blasphemia,] either from [blapto ten phemen,] to hurt, or blast the reputation, or from [ballo tais phemais,] to smite with words, or reports, when applied to men denotes injurious speaking, or calumny, and when used in reference to God signifies speaking impiously of his nature, attributes, and works.

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Posted : 1 Jul, 2011 06:35 AM

Now you would think Paul was guilty of this unpardonable sin since he claimed he was the worst of all sinners and he persecuted and killed God's saints and was on his way to persecute more of God's Spirit filled saints in Damascus when God chose him to be his top preacher to the Gentiles and inspired him to write half of the New Testament books. Paul was also partially or fully responsible for the death of Stephen right after his Spirit inspired speech.{Read Acts 7:58-60 and Acts 8:1-4!!}



I have also heard or read about the testimony of many of the great Christian preachers and evangelists who claimed they blasphemed God many times before God saved them.



I Timothy 1:15-17: Paul said, "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the WORST. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the WORST of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen!!":applause::angel:

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