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THE CHURCH:WHo is the Church and the purpose thereof
Posted : 18 Jun, 2011 08:31 PM

Hello Everyone:



My subject will be a touchy one,it might also be long,but please read all of the post before tearing me a new you know what.



'The CHURCH';What constitutes the church.



Is the 'Church' a building,an event,a social club,or a place to hang out

to meet people.



First let us look at the 'Church' in the Word of GOD.

The word 'church' is the Greek word 'ekklesia',which means.

ἐκκλησία

ekklēsia



Thayer Definition:

1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating

1b) the assembly of the Israelites



1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously

1d) in a Christian sense

1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting

1d2) a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order�s sake



1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body

1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth

1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven



Part of Speech: noun feminine



A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564



Citing in TDNT: 3:501, 394



So than,the 'church' is made up of people who have been called out of this life,by GOD according to His will;Unto being

with Yeshua for eternity.



The purpose of each individual is to Know Yeshua,and the power of His ressurection.

Php_3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;



To worship Yeshua in the power and leading of the Holy Spirit.

John_4:24 God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.



To make disciples,and to continually,baptize/immerse others into the name(s) of GOD,as revealed within the Scripture.



Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



The 'Church' has been chosen of GOD,from out of all of the people to be the 'Bride' of Christ.

This choosing is the same as to when a man chooses one particular Lady from out of all of the woman in this life,to be his wife.



John_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.



The man does not reject all of the other woman,

No, he has freedom to choose according to his will.



The 'church' in America (OOOPPSS,the Homeland ) for the most part see themselves as having no placeWithin the body with which to minister.

One man says 'I am in THE MINISTRY',BUT THE TRUTH is,that ALL ARE IN THE MINISTRY.



2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.





The church,not the so-called clergy are responsible for breaking bread together.

In 1st Corinthians chapters 11-14,there is no mention of A so-called senior pastor,or pastor.

No elders,no deacons,NO GIANTS of the faith.





There is just the body of Yeshua meeting together to WORSHIP Him,and to remember Who He is,and to proclaim what He is like.

Mat_23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat_23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.



Master in Greek:

G2519

καθηγητής

kathēgētēs



Thayer Definition:

1) a guide

2) a master, teacher

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G2596 and G2233





The 'church' is responsible TO 'ONE ANOTHER,ONE ANOTHER'.

The term 'One another is found about 25 times in the NEW COVENANT.







The 'church' is responsible to ecourage one another unto Love, and Good works.

Heb_10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:





The 'church' is also to administer discipline/Excommunication.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.



Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.



Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.







The 'Church' is to LOVE without condition.



1Co 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I have become as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 1Co 13:13 And now faith, hope, and love, these three things remain; but the greatest of these is love.



Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?







The 'Church' is to be forgiving without bringing the matter back up.



Mat 18:21 Then coming up to Him, Peter said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus said to him, I do not say to you, Until seven times, but, Until seventy times seven.





Since this, plus much more is the sole RESPONSIBILITY of each and every individual Believer in Yehsua;



Then why is the 'Church' that is on CDFF not doing and being the 'Church'





Is this because people do not believe that being on CDFF constitutes being the body of Christ.

WHY not!

Some say,this is the INTERNET,not the 'church'



Is it that there is not a building for people to be meeting in.

Could it be there is no so-called senior pastor or some type of structured system in place, which makes people FANS

of Worshipping Yeshua,instead of being Active participants.



Is not Yeshua the Pastor of the body of believers.



Greek word for the English word Pastor:Poimen

G4166

ποιμήν

poimēn

Thayer Definition:



1) a herdsman, especially a shepherd

1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow



2) metaphorically

2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church

2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies



2a2) of kings and princes

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: of uncertain affinity

Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901



John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.



John 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.







Maybe if these had been what the 'church had been doing on this site,possibly those that had been banned might still be here.

Or even Excommunicated from the site according to Matthew 18:15-20





In closing,The believers have been told that Yeshua is whereever 2 or more have gathered in His name.



Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

If this is so,then is this also true of being on CDFF.





Please remember that there are people from around this life,across this planet that tune into CDFF and they read

what is posted here.



We are responsible to be truthing in LOVE the Word of GOD.



Ask Cain;

Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?





Ask Yeahua to open the eyes of your understanding,to see beyond this life.

To see beyond the 4 walls where people meet together,calling this 'THE CHURCHand WORSHIPPING the LORD'



That ABBA would use those that have been saved to boldly,and lovingly proclaim the Gospel

the way that it has been written,not to tickle the ears of those hearing the Word of GOD.







Shalom



Mr.Merciful

ps:



Too bad there is not some way to be having a site or board for the believers to be BREAKING BREAD with others from

around this life.



This would be truly awesome.

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THE CHURCH:WHo is the Church and the purpose thereof
Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 10:06 AM

George your will does not agree with the will of God because you openly disagree with the will of God, and that is a choice you can change it start's with confessing your faults publicly as you so openly, breed strife to the body of Christ.



In your response the error is obvious, by the way it was me that posted the scripture about the ministry gifts, I am not in opposition to truth.

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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 11:13 AM

The present day churches are completely different from the early churches who worshiped every day and witnessed every day and followed the Great Commission of Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING * I commanded you!!"



*EVERYTHING* would also include all the approximate 400 commands found in Acts to Revelation {and in the 4 Gospels}as per 2 Timothy 3:16; 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work....Preach the Word; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction!"



Ephesians 4:10-15: It was He {Jesus not the churches} who gives some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach the unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.{And gaining countless eternal rewards}



...Speaking the Truth **IN LOVE**:angel:, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up **IN LOVE**, as each part does its work!":applause:

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THE CHURCH:WHo is the Church and the purpose thereof
Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 12:50 PM

So, when was the CHURCH fulfilled, and when was the New Testament CHURCH formed?

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Posted : 21 Jun, 2011 08:45 AM

ESUS COMMANDS, �LOVE ONE ANOTHER JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU!�

Jesus commanded his disciples many times to obey the OT command �To **LOVE** your neighbor as yourself� and on the day before his atonement Jesus added a NEW command �To **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you� and this was just one day before he laid down His life for His friends.



John 13:34: Jesus says, �A **NEW** command I give you: **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you so you MUST **LOVE** one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples!!�



John 15:9-14: �As the Father has loved Me, so I have loved you. Now remain in My **LOVE**. If you obey My commands, you will remain in My love,,, My command is this:**LOVE** each other **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**!!. Greater **LOVE** has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends **IF** you do what I command!!�



John 13:34: Jesus says, �A NEW command I give you: **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you, so you must **LOVE** one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples!!�



I Peter 1:22,23: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the Truth so that you have sincere **LOVE** for your brothers, **LOVE** one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again through the living and enduring Word of God.�



God's Word further explains what this new **LOVE** is like in I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not **LOVE** I am nothing...**LOVE** is patient, **LOVE** is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. **LOVE** does not delight in evil but rejoices with the Truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. **LOVE** never fails!!"



John 14:23: Jesus says, �If anyone **LOVES** Me, he will obey My teaching, My Father will **LOVE** him, and We will make Our home with him.� He who does not **LOVE** Me will not obey My teaching.�



I John 2:3-5: �We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, �I know Him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's **LOVE** is truly made complete in him!!�



Matthew 28:19.20� Jesus commands, �Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to *OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you!� {See I John 2:3-5}



EVERYTHING would also include all the other commands in God's inspired Word from Acts to Revelation as per 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work...Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.



Ephesians 4:15,16: �Speaking the Truth **IN LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up ***IN LOVE***, as each part does its work!�



If we really **LOVE** our brothers and sisters in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands of the NT with **LOVE** in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels.



Revelation 22:112: Jesus says,"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!?



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**:angel::angel:{See Matt 24:30,31; 25:31-40 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}, and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done."



Daniel 12:3: "Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!"



Jesus says in Rev 2:17; 3:4, 5, 21: �To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it:rolleyes:.....He will walk with Me for he is worthy:rolleyes:... I will acknowledge his name before My Father and His angels.... I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem.....I will write on him my New Name... and I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.� According to Rev 22:3 these 2 thrones will be the only thrones in the Heavenly New Jerusalem!.

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