Author	Thread: Angels Damned, Men Saved?
Admin	Angels Damned, Men Saved? Posted : 13 Jun, 2011 08:20 PM Angels damned, men saved? From Spurgeon's sermon, "ELECTION AND HOLINESS" God has CHOSEN to himself a people whom no man can number, out of the children of Adam- out of the fallen and apostate race who sprang from the loins of a rebellious man. Now, this is a wonder of wonders, when we come to consider that the heaven, even the heaven of heavens, is the Lord's. If God must have a chosen race, why did he not select one from the majestic orders of angels, or from the flaming cherubim and seraphim who stand around his throne? Why was not Gabriel fixed upon? Why was he not so constituted that from his loins there might spring a mighty race of angels, and why were not these chosen by God from before the foundations of the world! What could there be in man, a creature lower than the angels, that God should select him rather than the angelic spirits? Why were not the cherubim and seraphim given to Christ? Why did he not take up angels? Why did he not assume their nature, and take them into union with himself? An angelic body might be more in keeping with the person of Deity, than a body of weak and suffering flesh and blood. There were something congruous if he had said unto the angels, "You shall be my sons." But, no! though all these were his own, he passes by the hierarchy of angels, and stoops to man! He takes up an apostate worm, and says unto him, "You shall be my son," and to myriads of the same race he cries, "you shall be my sons and daughters, by a covenant for ever." "But," says one, "It seems that God intended to choose a FALLEN people that he might in them show forth his grace. Now, the angels of course would be unsuitable for this, since they have not fallen." I reply, there ARE angels that have fallen; there were angels that kept not the first estate, but fell from their dignity. And how is it that these are consigned to blackness of darkness for ever? Answer me, you that deny God's sovereignty, and hate his election -- how is it that angels are condemned to everlasting fire, while to you, the children of Adam, the gospel of Christ is freely preached? The only answer that can possibly be given is this-- God wills to do it. He has a right to do as he pleases with his own mercy. Angels deserve no mercy: we deserve none. Nevertheless, he gave it to us, and he denied it them. They are bound in chains, reserved for everlasting fire to the last great day, but we are saved. Why, if there were any reason to move God in his creatures, he would certainly have chosen devils rather than men-- Had the angels been reclaimed, they could have glorified God more than we; they could have sang his praises louder than we can, clogged as we are with flesh and blood. But passing by the greater, he chose the lesser, that he might show forth his sovereignty, which is the brightest jewel in the crown of his divinity! Our Arminian antagonists always leave the fallen angels out of the question- for it is not convenient to them to recollect this ancient instance of election. They call it unjust, that God should choose one man and not another. By what reasoning can this be unjust, when they will admit that it was righteous enough in God to choose one race -- the race of men, and leave another race -- the race of angels, to be sunk into misery on account of sin? Brethren, let us be done with arraigning God at our poor fallible judgment seat! God is good and does righteousness. Whatever he does we may know to be right, whether we can see the righteousness or not. God's Election is marvelous indeed-- God had unlimited power of creation. Now, if he willed to make a people who should be his favorites, who should be united to the person of his Son, and who should reign with him, why did he not make a NEW RACE? When Adam sinned, it would have been easy enough to strike the earth out of existence. He had but to speak and this round earth would have been dissolved, as the bubble dies into the wave that bears it. There would have been no trace of Adam's sin left, the whole might have died away and have been forgotten forever! But no! Instead of making a new people- a pure people who could not sin, instead of taking to himself creatures that were pure, unsullied, without spot- he takes a depraved and fallen people, and lifts these up, and that, too, by costly means-- by the death of his own Son, and by the work of his own Spirit; that these must be the jewels in his crown to reflect his glory for ever! Oh, singular choice! Oh, inexplicable Election! My soul is lost in your depths, and I can only pause and cry- "Oh, the goodness, oh, the mercy, oh, the SOVEREIGNTY of God's grace!" Now, when you think that God has chosen YOU, you may well pause and say in the language of that hymn- "Pause, my soul! adore, and wonder! Ask, O why such love to ME?" Kings passed by and beggars chosen! Wise men left, but fools made to know the wonders of his redeeming love! Publicans and harlots sweetly compelled to come to the feast of mercy; while proud religious people are allowed to trust in their own righteousness, and perish in their vain boastings! God's choice will ever seem in the eyes of unrenewed men to be a very strange one-- He has passed over those whom we should have selected, and he has chosen just the odds and ends of the universe, the men who thought themselves the least likely ever to taste of his grace! Before your sovereignty, I bow, great God, and acknowledge that you do as you wish, and that you give no account of your matters. Post Reply
View Profile History	Angels Damned, Men Saved? Posted : 15 Jun, 2011 09:07 AM Before your sovereignty, I bow, great God, and acknowledge that you do as you wish, and that you give no account of your matters. PhillipJohn said: The same God also said that he is not willing that any should perish, so if any word he has spoken is true, so is this truth to all of those that believe, and any and all that ignore any scripture, they also ignore the God of the scripture. James replies: God is not wiling that any of HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE should perish. Jesus said this very plainly in John 6. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Angels Damned, Men Saved? Posted : 15 Jun, 2011 09:12 AM dgrimater said: Eh, james what if for a moment you looked at things the way God does and not your theology. What if you looked at it as it being just the whole church as one body. No calvin, no arms. no catholics, no lurherns, but just the body of christ. James replies: Your first sentence is impossible for anyone to achieve. What you are saying is, "what if you had perfect understanding of Gods word." No one does, but I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Reformed theology is the most accurate that exists. I will even go you one better, and say that if the Lord does not return soon, that ALL advances in our understanding of God's Word will come from Reformed theologians. And Roman Catholicism is NOT a Christian denomination. It is an APOSTATE body that left the faith long ago. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Angels Damned, Men Saved? Posted : 15 Jun, 2011 11:49 AM @James: James says; I think that not only should you CARE What the giants of the faith have said, but I think you are RESPONSIBLE TO KNOW! Mr.meanie: 2Ti 2:15 Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be perfected, being fully furnished for every good work. This includes women and children also,NOT just the so-called GIANTS of the faith. James Look at it this way, God did not place you in 200AD, or 500AD or 1400AD. God decided that you would live in this late age, and you have literally 2000 years of Christian writings on every verse of Scripture. Mr.Meanie Yes james,and The holy Spirit TODAY is still revealing in the Scriptures where these men were off base. James In Proverbs it says THREE times, "There is wisdom in many counselors". Well we HAVE many counselors! And to ignore them and act like they were not as smart as we are, or don't matter, is at the VERY LEAST......unwise. Mr.Meanie: James,I have men that i associate myself with,men not of HIGH degree. Men who have been broken of GOD,for His purposes and His use. James Do you think this is reasonable? Mr.Meanie: What I find,is that most of if not all of the men you post,they did not allow for the Plurality of Elders. These men took a position meant for many to be at. I believe this was that they were not trusting Yehsua to being the Shepherd of His own Flock. These men also did not leave room for the Priesthood of the Believers to be in operation,according to 1st Corinthians 11-14. No mention of any clergy,and no mention of any man being called "The Worship Leader",I thought this was to be the operation of the Holy Spirit within each and every believer. 1st Corithians 14:26-33 1Cor. 14:26 Then what is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, he has a teaching, he has a language, he has a revelation, he has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up. 1Co 14:27 If one speaks in a language, let it be by two or three at the most, and in turn, also let one interpret. 1Co 14:28 And if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in the assembly, and let him speak to himself and to God. 1Co 14:29 And if there are two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others discern. 1Co 14:30 But if a revelation is revealed to another sitting by, let the first be silent. 1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be encouraged. 1Co 14:32 And the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 1Cor. 14:33 For God is not of confusion, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints. As of today most of the So-called church,forsakes this very same Word which the Holy Spirit empowered the writers to give to us. I have read a few works by 'Watchman Nee',Oswald Chambers' and a few other Brothers. I would love to hear what Yeshua has been doing in your own life. Tests,trials,tribulations,discipline,wisdom,understanding,Gracemercy etc. I hope that you will be having a Blessed rest of this week,including the weekend. Shalom Mr.Meanie ps: Luther did not leave the Catholic church,He just moved across the street. A few years later the Protestants became His neighbors. Post Reply

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