Thread: Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
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Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 01:08 PM
WHO WILL BE GOD'S TWO WITNESSES {REV 11:3} OR MEN {REV 11:6} OR PROPHETS {REV 11:10}??
Zechariah 4:11,14: "Then I asked the angel:angel:, 'What are these *TWO* OLIVE TREES {See Rev 11:4 below} on the right and left of the lamp stand?'... the angel said, 'These are the TWO who are anointed to serve the Lord of the earth!'" �Rev 11:3-6: {God said to John} "I will give power to My *TWO* witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth! These are the *TWO OLIVE TREES {See Zech 4:11,14 above} and the 2 lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire will come from their mouths to destroy their enemies.
This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die {See 2 Kings 1:9-12; Num 16:31-35}. These *MEN* will have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying {See 1 Kings 17:1; Luke 4:25; James 5:17}; and they will have power to turn the waters into blood {See Exodus 7:15-23} and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish." �
Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection. Luke 9:30,31: �TWO MEN Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus.� They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the *TWO MEN* dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: "They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly *TWO MEN* dressed in WHITE stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!"��
���� And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly *TWO MEN*... stood beside them... And the *MEN* said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!" �� Jesus says in John 8:17b: "The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get.
������ And so the coming of God's *TWO MEN* or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God's 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Rev 11:3-12 is that the Father, Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
� � Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.
The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled.� Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �washed in the Blood of the Lamb�.
Moses & Elijah will be dressed in SACKCLOTH which is appropriate since the Tribulation saints will be very poor, for they will not be able to buy or sell anything as per Rev 13:17. Moses and Elijah will certainly speak the Word of God with great power and love. They will not add or take words away from the Prophetic Words of God {See Rev 22:18,19}; and they will encourage God's courageous saints to adhere to *ALL* of the NT commandments {See Rev 12:13b; 14:12b; Matt 28:20a; John 14:15,21,23; I John 2:2-5} with love {See Matt 5:39-48 & Rom 12:17-21} in the face of severe and hostile persecution.
Moses and Elijah will begin their 1260-day testimony {Rev 11:3} 3 1/2 days before the coming of 666 & the 1260-day Great Tribulation and 1263 1/2 days before the Last Day. {*THE FIRST END-TIME EVENT*} Moses and Elijah will warn us of the coming of 666 & his False Prophet.
��� It seems very appropriate that God will send His TWO PROPHETS {See Rev 11:10b} to warn and prepare His saints for the coming of Satan, 666, the False Prophet and the Great Tribulation for in Amos 3:7 we read: "Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the PROPHETS!"�
GOD'S PROPHETS are mentioned 8 times in Revelation: Revelation 10:7; 11:10; 11:18; 16:6; 18:20,24; 22:6 & 22:9. Whereas; preachers, pastors and evangelists are not even mentioned once in Revelation! God will allow 666 to martyr Moses and Elijah {See Rev 11:7,8} right where their Lord was crucified. {At the new *HOLY PLACE* where Jesus shed his blood for our sins} 3 1/2 days later Moses and Elijah will rise to heaven just hours before the 7th angel:angel: sounds the 7th Trump at the 2nd coming of Jesus.{See Rev 11:11-18}
Mark 13:14: Jesus says, �When you see 666 standing where he does not belong {At the New Holy Place}....then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.� {See Rev 11:7,8 & Rev 16:15} John 2:19: Jesus said, �Destroy this TEMPLE and I will raise it again in 3 days.� This HOLY PLACE is where Jesus became the chief cornerstone {Eph 2:20,21} and we are living stones {I Pet 2:5 & 2 Cor 6:16} in the LAST TEMPLE made without hands! {Acts 17:24} ��
��Certainly, the old Jerusalem and the old Temple site are NO LONGER HOLY PLACES.�� Hebrews 13:12-14: "Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people HOLY THROUGH HIS BLOOD. Let us, then, go to Him outside the city, bearing the disgrace He bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the CITY {THE NEW JERUSALEM} that is to come." :peace:{See Heb 11:10,13-16; Heb 12:22; Rev 3:12b; 21:2,10-27; 22:1-5; 2 Pet 3:13}
Galatians 4:25,26:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." {The New Jerusalem}:applause:
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 01:51 AM
ETcallhome says "Therefore, I would think that the two witnesses could possibley be John the Baptist and Elijah who will be for Israel during the tribulation period."
I know to a church member now, this will sound radical. But which Israel are you talking about when you say John the Baptist and Elijah will be for Israel during the tribulation period?
Paul says in Romans 9: 6-8 that "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel...That is, They which are the children of the flesh. these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
He contrasts Old Covenant Israel with New Covenant Israel in Galatians 4: 24-26 and says the covenant from Mount Sinai, which is the old Covenant for the children of the flesh, which he calls the Jerusalem is in bondage with her children. He refers to the Jerusalem "which is above is free, which is the mother of us all" as Jerusalem under the New Covenant. "Jerusalem" in this passage is the same as Israel. he could have used Israel rather than Jerusalem.
The problem for many or most in the churches today is that they are following theology rather than scripture. Which means they are not following the doctrine of Christ as explained in II John 1: 9-11. Christ died on he cross to transform the old Israel - the children of the flesh in bondage - to the new Israel reborn in him. Dispensationalism fundamentally confuses the distinction between the two Israels.
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 06:52 AM
There are some who say that Moses could not be one of the two witnesses because of the Hebrews 9:27: "Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" and God's 2 witnesses will be killed by 666 in Rev 11:7; which would mean that Moses would die twice if he was one of the 2 witnesses.
However, while the above verse is the general rule there are many exceptions to this verse since all the saints alive at the 2nd Coming of Jesus will not even die once. Also during the NT 7 people including Lazarus died and then were raised to life and then later died again.
As we have shown in the Bible study Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration and 3 other times in the NT and were then God's TWO Witnesses. Moses is mentioned over 800 times in God's Word second only to Jesus and would therefore be a more powerful well-known witness than Enoch mentioned 13 times or John the Baptist who became a very poor witness when he asked Jesus if he was really the Messiah. Read Matthew 11:2,11!!
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 07:08 AM
Hi brother,
please show me where do you see them 3 times in the NT?
As we have shown in the Bible study Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration and 3 other times in the NT and were then God's TWO Witnesses.
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 07:29 AM
Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection.
Luke 9:30,31: �**TWO MEN** Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus.� They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem." Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the* *TWO MEN**{NOT angels} dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: "They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly **TWO MEN**{NOT angels} dressed in WHITE stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!"��
���� And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly **TWO MEN**{NOT angels}... stood beside them... And the **MEN** said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!" �� Jesus says in John 8:17b: "The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get. ������ And so the coming of God's **TWO MEN** or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God's 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Rev 11:3-12 is that the Father, Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 07:30 AM
Halfback, lets stay on course of what is going on in Revelation chapter 11:3-12 and the two witnesses standing before God.
I do understand what you're speaking about, if I'm understanding these chapter, and when you read what the passages is speaking about it, is this prophecy about during the time of the Tribulation, and the setting up of the new kingdom fro Jesus reign, or is it about whether or not Gentiles will be apart of Israel in the spirutal or physical?.
AS for what you're speaking about there is a spiritual Israel which we are as Gentiles who have been grafted into, as believers in Christ in order that we might receive and parttake of the blessings and promise. And there is also the nation of Israel who are the people, the nation Israel who will be saved as Paul speaks about in Romans, and God makes clear through Isaiah and all throughout His word.
Saved, Yes, you have quoted the scripture correctly, but we also find that in this chapter of Revelation John speak to us about what he saw and what God had him to write down from what God showed to him. Therefore, this lets us know that John is seeing these things happen in his VISION that has been given to him, and the two witness who stood before God getting their power and counsel. So one must ask, can man stand before God in the physical or spirit?
The two witness who stand before God as the chapter tells us are also killed and we are told that their bodies will lie dead in the streets for three days and a half and in verse 11, hear what it says, And after the three days and a half, the SPIRIT of God entered into them and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them...
Therefore, we must try to spiriually ask if this is all possibly taking place BEFORE the coming of Christ or is this all taking place AFTER the coming of Christ when the dead in Christ will be risen from the dead, and the establishment of the new Jersulem takes place.
We must also ask how does one stand before God in the physical as you use the passgae you posted, man is appointed to die once, knowing that God is spirit and when we die we will be raised from the dead and the graves will be open when Jesus comes, and we will appear before God in the spirit?...or in the flash?, since flash cannot enter heaven before God. Therefore, I, personal must conclude that this being a vision of John, and that it is all taking place either AFTER Jesus coming BEFORE he sets up His kingdom.
Also, although your passage is very true of the word of God. But don't forget, we also find that in Jesus' ministry that He raised people from the dead, and they then later died, and that the book of Hebrews chapter 11, tells us tht many woemn received those who had died back to life again becasue of their faith.
There is nothing impossble with God, but there is a much better resurrection. So, the two witnesses we must ask are they standing in the presence of God BEFORE the rapture in the flash, or they standing before God AFTER the rapture in the spirit, when the dead in Christ lives again and stands before God, and the establishing of the new kingdom on earth in Jeruselem during the tribulation when the unbelievers will be given a last chance to receive Christ?
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 07:54 AM
"And there is also the nation of Israel who are the people, the nation Israel who will be saved as Paul speaks about in Romans..."
You probably mean Romans 11: 26, "And so all Israel shall be saved..."
But to interpret this as saying that physical Israel, the children of the flesh, and Jerusalem (Israel) which is in bondage will all be saved sometime contradicts several other scriptures. Paul says in Romans 11 that unbelieving Israelites (Jews) are broken off because of unbelief, and what he says in Romans 9: 6-8 and Romans 2: 28-29 is the opposite of the idea that all physical Israel, or all alive at some point, or some alive at some point in time will be saved because they are the physical descendants of Abraham. All along there has been a very small remnant of physical Israel (Jews) saved, but this is not what the dfispensationalist prophecy of all physical Israel being saved says.
You have to give up theology and believe scripture.
